Why does everyone assume Lakers take Ingram?

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:01pm #63912

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I don’t get why everyone assumes the Lakers take Ingram(if Simmons goes 1). I realize he’s higher on draft boards by media than Dragan Bender but Porzingis was low last year at this time. There are rumblings that Bender could be the better player. It’s not as though Ingram doesn’t have flaws. Lakers will obviously work both out and we know the same decision makers last year nearly took Porzingis 2 over Russell and Okafor. Not that Bender is the same guy, but they were considering going against the grain. I really don’t think it’s as much a given as people assume.
I’m a fan of Ingram by the way. And I haven’t seen enough of Bender to accurately compare them myself. But I wonder why it’s such a given. Personally I think Bender would be higher if he wasn’t a slight unknown from Europe. Not saying he would be over Ingram, but I think if more fans and media knew his game there would be more discussion of it.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:05pm #1066295

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I personally think the top two prospects are in a class of their own.
No knock on Bender thou; wouldn’t be surprised if he went 3rd.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:05pm #1066174

apb540
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I personally think the top two prospects are in a class of their own.
No knock on Bender thou; wouldn’t be surprised if he went 3rd.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:17pm #1066299

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As of right now it’s because of the unknown. We all saw what Simmons and Ingram did in college. However, not many people here have seen a lot of Bender(myself included) so it’s harder to project how he matches up to Simmons and Ingram. When Bender gets to the US it’s possible he impresses during workouts and interviews which moves him into the conversation for the #2 pick. But until then it’s Simmons and Ingram ahead of everyone else.
I also assume the Lakers considered Porzingis over Russell and Okafor after working him out.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:17pm #1066178

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As of right now it’s because of the unknown. We all saw what Simmons and Ingram did in college. However, not many people here have seen a lot of Bender(myself included) so it’s harder to project how he matches up to Simmons and Ingram. When Bender gets to the US it’s possible he impresses during workouts and interviews which moves him into the conversation for the #2 pick. But until then it’s Simmons and Ingram ahead of everyone else.
I also assume the Lakers considered Porzingis over Russell and Okafor after working him out.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:26pm #1066303

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The thought of floor spacing with Randle, Russell, and Bender is enticing. Bender, at least, will be a stretch four who can defend. He might not rebound well or score in other ways, but that alone would be a good fit next to Randle and Russell.
Not saying I would take Bender over Ingram. I’m just saying there is a case to be made for Bender.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:26pm #1066182

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The thought of floor spacing with Randle, Russell, and Bender is enticing. Bender, at least, will be a stretch four who can defend. He might not rebound well or score in other ways, but that alone would be a good fit next to Randle and Russell.
Not saying I would take Bender over Ingram. I’m just saying there is a case to be made for Bender.

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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:47pm #1066305
  
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  That’s what I was trying to get at. I have Ingram higher myself but that’s mostly due to not having a ton to go on with Bender. I expect LA to either take Ingram or try to use the pick to make a deal, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if Bender passed Ingram out either when it’s all done
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 2:47pm #1066183
  
  MattP31
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  That’s what I was trying to get at. I have Ingram higher myself but that’s mostly due to not having a ton to go on with Bender. I expect LA to either take Ingram or try to use the pick to make a deal, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if Bender passed Ingram out either when it’s all done
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 4:02pm #1066328

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Because hes a consensus top 2 prospect, the Lakers are picking second, and he fits a need? Not rocket science
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 4:02pm #1066208

he_gets_buckets
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Because hes a consensus top 2 prospect, the Lakers are picking second, and he fits a need? Not rocket science
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 4:40pm #1066336

Reptilian Monk
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Bender could be a great player but don’t ride the Porzingis hype another 7 foot European must be good like Porzinigs. For every Porzingis there is a Darko
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 4:40pm #1066216

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Bender could be a great player but don’t ride the Porzingis hype another 7 foot European must be good like Porzinigs. For every Porzingis there is a Darko
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:50pm #1066240
  
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  For every Porzingis there are probably 2 or 3 Darko’s. Like Nikolas Tskhishvilli and Jan Veselli.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 10:56pm #1066309
    
    Choppy
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    As weird as it is for me to say, Darko was better than both of them.
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    - Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 2:42am #1066327
      
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      That’s absolutely true. I just thought of the two worst next Dirk Nowitzki/great Euro bigman labeled players I could remember.
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    - Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 2:42am #1066447
      
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      That’s absolutely true. I just thought of the two worst next Dirk Nowitzki/great Euro bigman labeled players I could remember.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 10:56pm #1066429
    
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    As weird as it is for me to say, Darko was better than both of them.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:50pm #1066361
  
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  For every Porzingis there are probably 2 or 3 Darko’s. Like Nikolas Tskhishvilli and Jan Veselli.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:51pm #1066243
  
  MattP31
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  That’s not what I meant to do at all. I only mentioned Porzingis to state that the Lakers front office decision makers were strongly considering a Euro they liked despite it not being the general public/media consensus.
  Bender has some similarities to his game as Porzingis but that doesn’t mean he will or won’t be a good or bad pro
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:51pm #1066364
  
  MattP31
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  That’s not what I meant to do at all. I only mentioned Porzingis to state that the Lakers front office decision makers were strongly considering a Euro they liked despite it not being the general public/media consensus.
  Bender has some similarities to his game as Porzingis but that doesn’t mean he will or won’t be a good or bad pro
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:30pm #1066355

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game……. Don’t be surprised if Bender Wows Lakers, Celtics & Suns front office members……. just like Porzingus did this time last year………
The Knicks had the 2nd Worst record in the whole NBA last year…….. but appeared to get Jammed by the Lottery system……… when Both the Sixers & Lakers – the #3 & #4 seeds……. Leap-Frogged the Knicks in the Draft order……
Both Sixers & Lakers were WOW’d by Porzingus……. Neither pulled the Trigger….. & Both have Regretted passing on Porzingus…….. & the Knicks got the 2nd best player in the 2015 NBA Draft anyway…….
I like Ingram but the way NBA analysts are trying to sell that he’ll score 20+ ppg from day One…… when Ingram scored ONLY 17 a game in college is a Tough sell…… Bender isn’t 7’2” like Porzingy……… but he’s a Legit 6’11” w/ a sweet outside AND Inside game may be Too diificult to pass up……. so I agree – I would not be surprised one bit to see Bender climb……

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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:30pm #1066234

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game……. Don’t be surprised if Bender Wows Lakers, Celtics & Suns front office members……. just like Porzingus did this time last year………
The Knicks had the 2nd Worst record in the whole NBA last year…….. but appeared to get Jammed by the Lottery system……… when Both the Sixers & Lakers – the #3 & #4 seeds……. Leap-Frogged the Knicks in the Draft order……
Both Sixers & Lakers were WOW’d by Porzingus……. Neither pulled the Trigger….. & Both have Regretted passing on Porzingus…….. & the Knicks got the 2nd best player in the 2015 NBA Draft anyway…….
I like Ingram but the way NBA analysts are trying to sell that he’ll score 20+ ppg from day One…… when Ingram scored ONLY 17 a game in college is a Tough sell…… Bender isn’t 7’2” like Porzingy……… but he’s a Legit 6’11” w/ a sweet outside AND Inside game may be Too diificult to pass up……. so I agree – I would not be surprised one bit to see Bender climb……

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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:56pm #1066247
  
  MattP31
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  Scoring 17 in college translates better to scoring 20 as a pro than you would think- not saying will score 20 as a rookie(he won’t) but the college game is 40 minutes instead of 48 and has a 30 second shot clock compared to 24. Teams and players score less due to less possessions.
  40 min/30 seconds is 80 guaranteed possessions combined
  48 min/24 seconds is 120 guaranteed possessions combined
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 5:56pm #1066368
  
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  Scoring 17 in college translates better to scoring 20 as a pro than you would think- not saying will score 20 as a rookie(he won’t) but the college game is 40 minutes instead of 48 and has a 30 second shot clock compared to 24. Teams and players score less due to less possessions.
  40 min/30 seconds is 80 guaranteed possessions combined
  48 min/24 seconds is 120 guaranteed possessions combined
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 6:18pm #1066250

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Well ask yourself this question, what if Bender played on Duke and Ingram was the oversea player with less game footage? Bottom line is a real good team and scouts will look thoroughly before declaring anyone better. I for one do believe Bender may very well end up better as his potential makes it certainly a possibility.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 6:18pm #1066370

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Well ask yourself this question, what if Bender played on Duke and Ingram was the oversea player with less game footage? Bottom line is a real good team and scouts will look thoroughly before declaring anyone better. I for one do believe Bender may very well end up better as his potential makes it certainly a possibility.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:14pm #1066282

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I get the point and workouts maybe show the Lakers like him more but if they really should consider Bender over Ingram they would be foolish not to trade down at least one pick to the Boston pick imo.
Basically everyone is having Ingram at one or two and aside from the fact that Bender isn’t a center and Randle/Bender could not be ideal in the frontcourt assuming someone else needs to play center, there will be very nice offers from Boston to snatch Ingram and the Lakers should take advantage of it.
But like someone said above, Ingram is a good fit in LA and for the majority of us clearly worth being taken at the two.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 8:14pm #1066403

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I get the point and workouts maybe show the Lakers like him more but if they really should consider Bender over Ingram they would be foolish not to trade down at least one pick to the Boston pick imo.
Basically everyone is having Ingram at one or two and aside from the fact that Bender isn’t a center and Randle/Bender could not be ideal in the frontcourt assuming someone else needs to play center, there will be very nice offers from Boston to snatch Ingram and the Lakers should take advantage of it.
But like someone said above, Ingram is a good fit in LA and for the majority of us clearly worth being taken at the two.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 11:50pm #1066313

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Last year KAT was regarded as the best prospect with the second group – Russell, Okafor and Porzingis being a bit behind him but well clear of the next batch of players. In 2014 – there was a lot of debate who would go top out of Wiggins and Parker and Embiid would have been in this group if he hadn’t been injured with there then being a drop off as to who would go 4th.
This year the consensus top 2 has been Simmons and Ingram for several months and Simmons has been top prospect for much longer on this site’s draft board. The feeling seems to be that there will potentially be a bigger drop off from 2nd to 3rd pick than from 1st to 2nd this year and I largely agree with this.
That said the Lakers will surely work out other guys as well as Ingram and Simmons and there is a thought at the back of my mind that after turning down Porz last year might the Lakers give Bender a lot more consideration. If for any reason they really liked Bender, I don’t see them taking him at 2 but them getting on the phone to Danny Ainge and seeing what they could shake out from him for the Celtics to get 2nd pick.
Personally though I feel the Lakers will end up with Ingram and he’d be a better player for them and their fans to accept than Bender who may need time to adjust to the NBA. Ingram has had a year under Coach K at Duke so is used to the bigger stage and would be seen as the logical pick by Lakers fans.
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 1:58am #1066323
  
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  I don’t know what kind of assets Boston would give up for the second pick. If Lakers come knocking its becasue they like Bender and know they can get him at 3. Ainge is a pretty smart guy if Larkers want to move down to get a guy like Bender Boston is really the Lakers only choice for a trading partner. If Boston is the only trading partner waht do you think they would really give up to move up? I don’t see Boston interested in trading up unless the price is low
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  - Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 3:23am #1066343
    
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    I’d personally trade the whole damn draft for Ingram. He’s a perfect fit in a Celtics offense that literally had zero spacing bs the Hawks. Obviously the C’s have other holes to fill, but they’re in a position to make a bold move with 2 high draft picks coming from the Nets over the next two drafts.
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  - Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 3:23am #1066463
    
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    I’d personally trade the whole damn draft for Ingram. He’s a perfect fit in a Celtics offense that literally had zero spacing bs the Hawks. Obviously the C’s have other holes to fill, but they’re in a position to make a bold move with 2 high draft picks coming from the Nets over the next two drafts.
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 1:58am #1066443
  
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  I don’t know what kind of assets Boston would give up for the second pick. If Lakers come knocking its becasue they like Bender and know they can get him at 3. Ainge is a pretty smart guy if Larkers want to move down to get a guy like Bender Boston is really the Lakers only choice for a trading partner. If Boston is the only trading partner waht do you think they would really give up to move up? I don’t see Boston interested in trading up unless the price is low
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Posted on: Thu, 05/26/2016 - 11:50pm #1066433

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Last year KAT was regarded as the best prospect with the second group – Russell, Okafor and Porzingis being a bit behind him but well clear of the next batch of players. In 2014 – there was a lot of debate who would go top out of Wiggins and Parker and Embiid would have been in this group if he hadn’t been injured with there then being a drop off as to who would go 4th.
This year the consensus top 2 has been Simmons and Ingram for several months and Simmons has been top prospect for much longer on this site’s draft board. The feeling seems to be that there will potentially be a bigger drop off from 2nd to 3rd pick than from 1st to 2nd this year and I largely agree with this.
That said the Lakers will surely work out other guys as well as Ingram and Simmons and there is a thought at the back of my mind that after turning down Porz last year might the Lakers give Bender a lot more consideration. If for any reason they really liked Bender, I don’t see them taking him at 2 but them getting on the phone to Danny Ainge and seeing what they could shake out from him for the Celtics to get 2nd pick.
Personally though I feel the Lakers will end up with Ingram and he’d be a better player for them and their fans to accept than Bender who may need time to adjust to the NBA. Ingram has had a year under Coach K at Duke so is used to the bigger stage and would be seen as the logical pick by Lakers fans.
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Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 12:52am #1066319

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Bender is not prozingis, prozingis before coming to nba was prodactive and best player on his team on a second best league in the world, bender can’t get minutes on a bad israeli leage, porzingis show great mentality, toughness and spirit playing the game and understanding, bender is a soft and shy player… he is getting overhyped just like hezonia that now orlando sorry they listen to the hype and drafted him too high(hezonia like bender wasn’t able to get minutes on his euro team)…
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 6:26am #1066523
  
  MattP31
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  I’m not going to debate Hezonja’s ability currently because we haven’t seen enough but the reason he was buried in Europe wasn’t ability- they were trying to hide him from scouts and hurt his draft stock to keep him. He has some very good performances in Europe when he got minutes. Not that Bender is in a similar spot but you can’t evenly compare the three based on European stats and minutes
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 6:26am #1066402
  
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  I’m not going to debate Hezonja’s ability currently because we haven’t seen enough but the reason he was buried in Europe wasn’t ability- they were trying to hide him from scouts and hurt his draft stock to keep him. He has some very good performances in Europe when he got minutes. Not that Bender is in a similar spot but you can’t evenly compare the three based on European stats and minutes
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  - Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 7:54am #1066563
    
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    I don’t buy it, he didnt play a winning brand of basketball and that why he didnt got minutes, i had this argument also last year before the draft with someone when i said hezonia being overhype
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  - Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 7:54am #1066442
    
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    I don’t buy it, he didnt play a winning brand of basketball and that why he didnt got minutes, i had this argument also last year before the draft with someone when i said hezonia being overhype
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Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 12:52am #1066439

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Bender is not prozingis, prozingis before coming to nba was prodactive and best player on his team on a second best league in the world, bender can’t get minutes on a bad israeli leage, porzingis show great mentality, toughness and spirit playing the game and understanding, bender is a soft and shy player… he is getting overhyped just like hezonia that now orlando sorry they listen to the hype and drafted him too high(hezonia like bender wasn’t able to get minutes on his euro team)…
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Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 10:03am #1066613

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I watch a lot of European basketball and I believe Bender is definitely worth a lotto selection, but he does not possess a single elite skill or trait that could make him a star in the NBA. Actually he looks like a larger, poor man’s Dario Saric, in my opinion, so being projected in the top 5 just proves this draft class is really weak.
Porzingis had a lot of small things on BOTH ends so it wasn’t a gamble (a more calculated risk, if you will). NBA scouts are all over these young euro guys, they have all the tape/visits/info they need.
Conclussion: Bender at 2… not going to happen unless they find out something really terrible on Ingram.
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Posted on: Fri, 05/27/2016 - 10:03am #1066492

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I watch a lot of European basketball and I believe Bender is definitely worth a lotto selection, but he does not possess a single elite skill or trait that could make him a star in the NBA. Actually he looks like a larger, poor man’s Dario Saric, in my opinion, so being projected in the top 5 just proves this draft class is really weak.
Porzingis had a lot of small things on BOTH ends so it wasn’t a gamble (a more calculated risk, if you will). NBA scouts are all over these young euro guys, they have all the tape/visits/info they need.
Conclussion: Bender at 2… not going to happen unless they find out something really terrible on Ingram.
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