Just curious. Why are most people saying if the Cavs don't want Noel to trade down? Unless other teams want Noel bad enough and are willing to trade some of their assets to the Cavs than I don't see why the Cavs just can't draft Porter. Is he not the league favorite to go number one? That's the beauty of having the number one pick. The Cavs can draft whoever they want. They could draft Trey Burke if they wanted to. Otto Porter I feel is the best fit for the Cavs. I know none of these guys have stepped foot on an NBA court but this draft is widely considered weak. Just because everybody is saying Noel is the number one pick, doesn't mean he has to go number one. I also want to ask you guys, if the Cavs do end up drafting Porter number one, who would the Wizards draft? Since everybody is already labeling Porter a Wizard.
They can draft Shabazz Muhammad if they want to.
If Noel is still on the board I presume Noel. If not than it wouldn´t be too strange that they´ll try their luck on Bennett.
How is Noel not on the board when you have the first pick?
The Cavs aren't afraid of going against the rain as they've shown with the Waiters and Thompson picks. I wouldn't be suprised if they took Porter if they are unable to trade down.
Porter could go one, his awareness on the court is tantamount to an elite skill. I see the Magic content with McLemore or Burke. They have young wings and a skilled young center besides Afflalo and Nelson are vets. Plus McLemore looked great in the Magic jersey some poster photo shopped a few months back.
The Wizards should be content if Porter falls to them at 3, but they have drafted a lot of wings in the lottery lately to no avail. Porter seems the exact opposite BB IQ of Vesely, which is a good thing. Noel is a Coach Cal guy and would be great running the floor with Wall. He also fits well with Nene, who is brilliant but brittle and he just can't jump. Okafor is under a player option 13 million dollar deal and then they are left with no real center at all on the roster for the future. The Wiz are hovering at the cap and that's not a good look for a 7th/8th seed at best. Arguably Noel fits in Washington the best next to a savy skill guy like Nene and a running point guard like Wall.
I don't get it either OP. I have saw quite a few people say Porter if the perfect fit for the Wizards at 3. But if he can go 3 why not #1 overall? This is no clear cut favorite in this draft so does it really matter where a guy is drafted? I wouldn't be surprised if Oladipo is in the running for #1 overall either. Cavs have shown in the past two drafts they will the player they feel is the best fit whether than 10 spots ahead of where everyone else has them or not.
If the cavs don't draft Noel, they will go for Porter for sure.. It would make no sense to trade down to get him since it's a weak draft, and the Wizards would grab Porter at number 3.. To me it's going to be 1- Porter 2- Mclemore 3-Noel
With the nature of this draft with no clear cut number one Otto Porter Jr could certainly go number one overall to the Cavs. Also unless someone has really fallen in love with Noel or McLemore I don't see the Cavs getting a ton of value in return for the number one pick.
I agree with 220 exactly, the Cavs have to look and see if one of the top 3 picking teams really wants a player and is willing to give up Porter for him and add something to the deal.
If there don't seem to be such opportunities - simply draft the guy they feel fits best with their roster.
simply stated, because hes not good enough.
What does Noel do so much better than Porter? Or who do you feel should be number one?
are you kidding? how many good defensive bigmen do you see in the nba? do you understand the importance of the ability to clog the lane and stop players from gettin to the basket against your team? look how important hibbert will be to the pacers against the heat.
Mclemore SHOULD be number one, but based off the cavaliers needs, they will take noel. leaving mclemore for the magic or whoever. as of right now, i dont think porter is a better player at the SF for the cavs than CJ miles, who had a great year, and you dont waste the number one pick in the draft on a player who you plan on being your 3rd or 4th scoring option unless he can change your franchise defensively. which porter wont do.
Yes but Hibbert destroyed another big in Tyson Chandler who was a defensive player of the year and a guy many feel Noel compares too. How can a 206 lb guy guard the likes of Hibbert, Lopez, Gasol, etc.? If he picks up some weight I would be more impressed.
Noel couldn't clog a shower drain.
Roy Hibbert was 7-2 270 lbs at the Combine. Noels is significantly shorter 6-11 and 206 lbs with a small bone structure and injury prone legs.
You make a reasonable argument. But, while Porter may be their best fit, they also have a questionable starting lineup. This offseason, Dan Gilbert has stated that he has made it a goal to improve their defense. Varejao isn't getting any younger, and he always seems to get hurt, so they need a defensive minded center to improve their defense. Tyler Zeller is way too soft on the defensive end that he will likely not improve their defense. But he would be a strong backup. So why not pick a guy who is a defensive minded Center? They have that option. They have the #1 pick. They also have the 19th pick where they can select a 3 that is still on the board. True, Porter won't be on the board by 19, but Adetokunbo, Mitchell and possibly Saric will still be on the board by 19. So why don't they pick Noel? I know many people are saying he is underweight, and doesn't have the strength to deal with the strong centers in the NBA nowadays but its like we are forgetting about one thing. I don't think Noel is going to stay right at 209lbs or whatever he is listed at. I believe he has the work ethic, willpower, and determination to beef up. So why don't the Cavs trust that and pick him regardless of the criticism they will undoubtedly receive. They've seemed like the team in the past to do that when they selected Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters.
I do respect your opinion but I think that Noel is the more sensible option for the #1 pick. They can wait till #19 to fill their need at SF when Adetokunbo, Mitchell, and possibly Saric will still be on the board.
A variety of reasons, let's start:
A) Trading the #1 pick down to say a #3 pick would not only allow the Cavaliers to take Otto Porter but they also acquire assets. Assets they wouldn't acquire if they simply drafted Otto Porter at #1. Think of it this way, take Otto Porter alone or take Otto Porter and two 2nd round picks.
B) Nerlens Noel is seen as a rarer type of player. Small forwards that are a jack-of-all-trades are common in the NBA and college. But a 6'11 defensive big man is a lot harder to find.
C) There is a consensus that Noel and BMac are the top two players in the draft. That said, the Cavaliers don't mind going against the grain and drafting someone that isn't a consensus top pick BUT if other teams value Noel and BMac so much, they're going to receive many calls with nice options in the trade market.
D) The SF position is stacked next season and if the Cavaliers have another lottery season, we could see them taking one of these high level SFs. Drafting Otto Porter this season then drafting another high level SF next season would result in a wasted pick for Cleveland.
In closing, the Cavaliers can receive more assets by trading it and still having the shot at drafting Otto Porter and if they choose to draft Noel, they get a type of player that only shows up once every, say 5 years. Rather than drafting a guy they can get in the mid-first round in other drafts or in free agency.
Thank you and the other posters for explaining. I know we all may not agree but at least explain your viewpoints instead of just negging somebody.
Also if the Cavs drafted Mclemore would that be a wasted pick on Waiters last year?
Not exactly because they can play all three guys two at a time and give each of them starting minutes.
Whereas, drafting Otto Porter this season and say they have a terrible year and have a shot at drafting a Wiggins, Parker, or even a Jerami Grant. Those guys can only play SF. Making one of those guys a back-up with backup minutes. Difficult to explain but it's easier to move around a combo-guard like Dion Waiters and give him minutes at PG and SG than moving a SF up to PF and give him starter minutes.
Not sure if I'm clear, sorry
No it makes a lot of since. I just felt by drafting Mclemore although he would be BPA, you would waste a pick in Dion Waters who had a solid rookie year. Similar to your scenario with taking Porter and having the chance to get Wiggins, Parker, etc next year if they suck again. But you can move Waiters around more like you said due to the fact he can get adequate minutes at the 2 as well as the point if needed. So thanks again for the explanation. I just feel Porter is the best fit for the Cavs. I think the Cavs aren't far off from making the playoffs with the right player and I would rather invest in a guy that I know can contribute right away and be a great fit on a playoff contending team versus taking a project big that's underweight and injury prone.
I'm all with you.
I think it's in the Cavaliers best interest to draft Otto Porter, either with the 1st pick or trading down to 3 and receiving some 2nd round picks.
Otto Porter would be a perfect fit and fills a glaring hole for Cleveland. He's a do-it-all player that can definitely be a glue guy for this young team.
He may go number 1. He's the best fit for Cleveland. I also think he is less risky than Noel and Mclemore. He doesn't have the ceiling those guys have, but he has the highest floor.
I just dont believe theres much of a market for Noel in terms of getting a deal done. There is so much risk involved regarding the injury the offense the weight plus the wait until he actually plays. If he was a sure shot It'd be different but for a team to trade their toop 3/4 pick and an asset based on the 'hope/assuption' he will recover then put on 20 pounds real quick is alot. Hes claerly a project which makes the trade landscape look cloudy to me.
The most unwanted no.1 pick sice the Kandi man draft