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Why are the Magic so good?

Other than Dwight Howard, this team doesn't really have a real 2nd option. I don't think their players are that good, which makes me think Howard is definitely not overrated. He's easily a top 5 player.

Jameer Nelson just seems like an above average PG. Vince Carter is not good and neither is Rashard Lewis. The bench doesn't seem that great to me. I feel the team chemistry must be incredible or Van Gundy is one hell of a coach.

I know teams like the Heat and Lakers are better but the Magic have been a top 3 team the past 2 seasons and they really dont seem THAT good...


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they have a very deep team.

they have a very deep team. While dwight might be the only star, they have 4 other guys on the floor at all times who can shoot and make plays. And its getting to the point where vince is almost getting too much hate around here. No he is not leader and he settles for bad shots and he is not guy who you want with the ball at the end of games, but is he still a very good player.

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One, Van Gundy is a great

One, Van Gundy is a great coach. He coaches spacing with Orlando, gets the shooters the ball to where if leave Howard open they will make you pay. That has to be stated, because with the Heat he didn't have the luxury of having the shooters like he does with the Orlando, a sign that he can adjust schemes effectively to fit personnel.

Rashard Lewis is a strong 2nd and great 3rd option scorer. To say he is "not good" is silly. He's clutch, is a high level shooter, and would be able to show off his post game if they didn't have the dominant Dwight Howard down low. He has proven he can get 20 ppg if he needs to, but with Howard he sometimes fades. He also is a decent rebounder for a guy that plays out of position on most nights, and for a guy that's relatively soft. I'd like to see him get more aggressive at times, but he's a good player.

Vince Carter is pretty much exactly what I wrote for Lewis, but now he's older. He disappointed in the playoffs, but he can score well still and is good for at least 15 ppg on most nights.

Nelson isn't a great playmaker due to his size, but he is a pretty tough defender on the ball and he is a great spot-up shooter and a nice scorer.

And Howard is the best defensive player in the NBA IMO, and is simply too strong and/or athletic for most C's to stop. He doesn't have more than 1 or 2 true post moves, but he's dominant to where it doesn't limit him as much as it probably should.

Those core players and Van Gundy's strong coaching are the reasons Orlando is good.

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Did you not watch the

Did you not watch the Conference Finals 2 years ago? Rashard Lewis saved them (Well, so did Hedo. But he sucks now)

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Your a tard

Rashard Lewis does not suck. One of the most versatile players in the game.

I saw the magic in person twice last year. They are by a wide Margin the best shooting team in the league. I noticed in Warmups, they never miss. I saw them against the Heat and the difference was wide. Even thier defensive guys like Pietrus and Barnes last year can shoot. They play a 4 out, 1 in, similar to the old school 4 corners philosophy. Jameer Nelson has his limitations, but is really tough to keep out of the lane 1 on 1. With Dwight hanging out by the Rim, you can't afford to double Nelson if he penetrates or you are going to get dunked on. Dwight wears you out inside, The ball movement is precise, and the 3's are ultimately what ends up killing you. If they are on from downtown, they are going to beat you.

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The Answer is

Dwight Howard!

Despite his lackluster offensive repertoire, he still commands major attention from the defense. That in turn leaves the other 4 guys, most of whom can shoot lights out, with excellent scoring opportunities.

On the defensive end of the court, Dwight Howard is the intimidator who makes their opponents always wonder if he's going to be there to block or change the arc of their shot. You cannot quantify what he does for their defense.

I essentially agree with FDAPO, after DH, the Magic are an above average team. However, they have depth at all positions and they are a team that was brilliantly designed to take advantage of the opportunities DH creates for guys who can shoot.

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Pretty much everything

Pretty much everything JNixon-Iggy9 and te fact that they've been in the top 3 in defense for the best two years. And a major part of that is Stan Van Gundy's defensive scheme.

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It's obvious a lot of you

It's obvious a lot of you fail to realize Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis are not the players they used to be....

They get worse every season. They will be even worse this year.

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i agree with everyone except

i agree with everyone except the original post. rashard may be overpaid but he is very good. but could you imagine this team with chris paul instead of jameer. call me crazy but if orlando were to get cp3, i would pick orlando to win the east. they would have arguably the best player at arguably the 2 most important positions in the league. its a longshot but could happen. this team is built around the strengths of their best player. just put shooters around dwight howard and you will be very hard to stop.

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Orlando Tragic

Rashard Lewis has to be one of the most overpayed players in the NBA. He's overrated.

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i agree with everyone except

i agree with everyone except the original post. rashard may be overpaid but he is very good. but could you imagine this team with chris paul instead of jameer. call me crazy but if orlando were to get cp3, i would pick orlando to win the east. they would have arguably the best player at arguably the 2 most important positions in the league. its a longshot but could happen. this team is built around the strengths of their best player. just put shooters around dwight howard and you will be very hard to stop.

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i agree with everyone except

i agree with everyone except the original post. rashard may be overpaid but he is very good. but could you imagine this team with chris paul instead of jameer. call me crazy but if orlando were to get cp3, i would pick orlando to win the east. they would have arguably the best player at arguably the 2 most important positions in the league. its a longshot but could happen. this team is built around the strengths of their best player. just put shooters around dwight howard and you will be very hard to stop.

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He's overpaid and that may

He's overpaid and that may blur your perception of him, but to say he's not good is pretty silly. But no doubt he's very overpaid....like ridiculously overpaid.

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I think Rashard Lewis is good

I think Rashard Lewis is good but you're right that's why I usually under value him....

However, I still don't think he's that great of a player. He's a solid starter on a playoff team but he's definitely not a good 2nd scoring option.

He was a great 2nd option in his prime.

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No Lewis please.

Rashard Lewis is good as long as he's behind the 3pt line. Besides that, keep counting those 100 dollar bills Rashard.

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Yeah, Jameer Nelson fits into their system pretty well, but Chris Paul could make this a ridiculously good team. It wouldn't just be good players stacking up on one team, but CP3 would actually be the best fit out of anyone IMO. Magic should really be aggressive and make a plan to get CP3 soon or when he becomes a available after this season.

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the reason the magic are so

the reason the magic are so good is because of dwight... not necessarily because hes got superior skill... but because he will ALWAYS command the double... which leaves the rest of their team (all SUPERB 3pt shooters) to find space.... its just the way their offense works... it plays to all of their players strengths very well...

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JJ Redick

JJ Redick

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While we're talking about the

While we're talking about the Magic, Brandon Bass should play a lot more. He's a pretty good backup and he doesn't play near enough. Although he's undersized, he gets the job done

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How can you say the Magic

How can you say the Magic have no depth?
Last season 2009-2010
PG- Jameer Nelson, Jason Williams, Anthony Johnson
SG- Vince Carter, JJ Reddick, Mickeal Pietrus
SF- Matt Barnes, Mickeal Pietrus, Rashard Lewis
PF- Rashard Lewis, Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass
C- Dwight Howard, Marcin Gortat

Not to mention the prior season they had Hedo at SF who provided mismatch problems and he helped them out a lot in the fourth quarter/late game situations, while none on those players are star studded or are former all stars besides Howard they are all solid players who know their role and most of the time perform well, it is similar to how the Rockets won their championships in the mid 90s they had Hakeem the dominant center down low surrounded by shooters who could easily knock down jumpers, the Magic have something very similar to that because though Howard is not as skilled as Hakeem he commands that double team and he does normally find the open man to shoot it, the Magic also have very good ball movement and they pass very quickly on the perimeter making the defense shift very quickly, after a couple fast passes of that the defense is normally caught off balance and they are able to get an open jumper, the Magic do live and die by the 3 though, they need a player who can create his own shot and by trading for Carter they thought thats what they were getting but he has proven time and time again to be a very inconsistent player and cannot really be relied on during the playoffs which is ultimately why they lost to the Celtics this year, their 2nd and 3rd options Carter and Lewis just could not get their games to be consistent enough to beat a hard nosed defensive Celtic team.

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In the first half of the

In the first half of the season VC played like &$#%#&@!, to many ugly jump shots of the dribble and stuff, his FG% was under 40% and Howard only had like 14ppg, in the second half they ran they're offense more through Howard and VC took less bad shots, Howard then had like 22ppg and VC shot 45% which is pretty solid, VC also got more aggresive and made some nice moves in the 4th quarter, still it sometimes looked as if reddick sometimes outplayed him, because he just hit shot after shot, maybe

and their bench is pretty good: reddick, pietrus, duhon, bass and some back-up center? maybe Daniel Orton :) jking

the real question is did they improve their team over last season? If you look at all the top teams like:

Lakers - improved their bench alot with startes like Blake, Barnes and a solid defender and veteran in Ratcliff

Dallas - best center duo in the league?

Miami - no comment

Chicago - Brewer, Korver and Boozer are pretty nice pick-ups

Boston - dunno about JO, I don't like him too much but they're draft picks seem solid and JO will probably produce more than Sheed in the last season

Thunder - they good 2 young center in the draft and are young so no real need for any moves, they'll improve anyways

Magic - Q-Rich and Duhon for J-Will and Barnes? doesn't seem like to much of an improvement

If the Magic want to win it all, Howard now finally has to step up offensivly and be a bigger threat, he has to be able to overpower Perkins that the Celtics HAVE to double team him to get his shooters open, if not it will be tough

Different story with all the other teams in the east though, no idea how the Heat or Atlanta want to stop Howard, the Bulls could make it

I think Shaq is a key factor. Whatever team he joins will improve so much. Not because he scores 12ppg and gets 7rpg. Simply because with him you don't need to double team Howard and you got someone who attacks Howard and draws some fouls.

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