I'm having a tough time deciding where the stock is for these two point guard draft prospects. I know both are top 5 worthy, but that doesn't mean that necessarily mean they will be top 5 picks. More importantly which player would fit better with the Kings? The Kings certainly need a PG but they might not land Kyrie Irving. Luckily both Brandon Knight and Kemba are now top 5 worthy thanks to the tourney, but who fits the Kings more?
I think this is a tough decision too. If they are planning on going with Tyreke and Thornton as the future back court then I think they might take a chance with Bismack Biyombo at 5. He can be the defensive beast with DeMarcus Cousins being the offensive beast. Then Tyreke and Thornton are the starting guards with Beno Udrih being a decent scorer and 3 point shooter off the bench.
The Kings already have 3 guys who need a lot of shots (Tyreke, Cousins, and Thornton) plus a combo guard with some point guard skills, decent size for a 1, and a pretty good 3 point shot. He's not a bad 4th or 5th option. I think he already gives the Kings some of what Brandon Knight would give them. If they need another shooter then they should get a small forward who can hit 3's.
If the Kings go small with their pick, then I think they need to look at Jimmer Fredette. He has a great three point shot (what Knight would give you but better), plus the experience at playing point guard. He would also give you Kemba Walker's one-on-one scoring ability. Tyreke-Cousins-Jimmer-Thornton would be deadly on offense. They would have Dalembert as the defensive center and shot blocker, Jason Thompson as front court depth, along with Udrih as a backup combo guard, and Garcia-Casspi-Greene at small forward.
If they use their draft pick to get a 6th man type then I think Jimmer is better. He also works better on offense with either Tyreke or Thornton. Or they could go small and play all three guards. Udrih would be an ideal fourth guard. They could then get some depth up front in the 2nd round which has a few servicable power forwards. They can then use Garcia and Casspi as the protype defender/intangibles/3 point shooting small forward.
I think Kemba would be better on the Pistons or the Cavs (a team that needs a scorer as well as a ball handler), and Knight would be better on the Jazz (who need a guy who can shoot the three and play a traditional point guard role), and maybe the Kings.
Both Knight and Kemba are talented guards, but I think Kemba has more overall talent. You can't take anything away from a guy who delivered a Big East championship and an NCAA championship. They should both be drafted between 5-10.
imo when its all said and done I expect knight to have the better career
Neither are really pure PG's, but Knight is the better prospect as a PG.
Knight is, and is capable of being, a MUCH better defender than Walker is. Walker's too small (people say he's really 5'10" or 5'11" rather than the 6' or 6'1" he's listed at. He'll be abused due to his lack of size.
As for offense, Kemba is more explosive and at this point in time, is a more developed pure scorer than Knight is. But Knight's only 19, and has room for improvement. Additionally, Knight is a far better decision-maker than Kemba. I saw Kemba jack some really stupid shots, or make some boneheaded decisions leading to a turnover far more often than I saw Knight do. Kemba played more like a greatly undersized two, despite having Jeremy Lamb on the team.
I'd say Kemba Walker is kind of like Jonny Flynn, but a worse passer and smaller; while Brandon Knight is more like...a taller version of Jason Terry. For the Kings, Knight would be far better. Tyreke needs to play along somebody who can move better without the ball rather than someone who will dominate every possession. Kemba fits the latter more than the former.
with their 1, 2, and 4/5 spots locked up with young talent, surely the kings would be looking at the forward spots? i've had them down for motiejunas and vesely in my last two mock drafts...players that understand the game and don't need a lot of shots, as someone already said...
Yeah, I see where you are coming from with the Kings. Tyreke and Thornton in the back court. Beno Udrih gives them some decent size (for a point guard), some ball handling, and good 3 point shooting off the bench (essentially what Brandon Knight or Jimmer Fredette might give them).
I have them taking Bismack Biyombo as their defensive force of the future. He would complement Cousins' offensive game. They could play Bismack 25-30 minutes with Dalembert getting about 20 minutes a night. Jason Thompson would see playing time at the 4 and perhaps the 3. The Kings could then get another guard in the second round.
If they get a guard then I think they should look at Jimmer who combines Knight's 3 point shooting with Kemba's scoring prowress. He can also handle the ball to set up Cousins and Tyreke or come off the ball to hit spot-up jumpers. Tyreke-Jimmer-Thornton would be a GREAT 3 guard rotation. If they want to go small they could use all three. Beno Udrih would be a great 4th guard. Cousins would be the go-to guy inside with Dalembert being the defensive big man. Jason Thompson would provide front court depth. Casspi and Garcia would give them two solid all-around small forwards.
So I like the Kings going with either Bismack Biyombo or Jimmer Fredette with this pick. Then in the 2nd round they can get a guy to fill another need and provide some depth off the bench. Jimmer would probably do more to help sell tickets and create a buzz. The Kings would have a killer three guard rotation (Run TMJ?), a promising big man and some other good role players. Oh, and they have Hassan Whiteside who was last year's Bismack Biyombo.
Mannnnnnn don't EVER compare Kemba to Jonny Flynn. Kemba is better defensively, passing wise, rebounding and possibly even quicker. Flynn is not a leader like Kemba. Look at the talent disparity from each players teams their last year. Kemba's best teammates were Oriakhi and Jeremy Lamb. Flynn had Devendorf, Paul Harris, Donte Green, Rautins, Onuaku and FR Kris Joseph. Team was loaded and lost in the Big East Championship and bowed out in the Sweet 16. I understand college success doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a great pro but that is not fair comparison to Kemba to Jonny. I thought Jonny could be a solid player but I don't see it anymore. Kemba to the Kings baby!!! Don't doubt his jumper, work ethic and leadership skills.
Under the watchful eye of Shareef Abdur-Rahim, the Sacrament Kings’ assistant General Manager, the top Lithuanian prospect Jonas Valanciunas scored 21 points and grabbed 7 rebounds in the first half of the game. The 18-year-old went on to collect 23 points and 8 rebounds on the night after sitting out most of the second half of the blowout.
This just happened,didnt know Reef was the Kings assistant GM O_o
I actually think Kemba has better vision and has better PG skills. He was just asked to score more. Maybe I did not see enough of Knight, but I did not see any PG high level passing skills or creating from him. I feel I saw more from Kemba in terms of what he actually see's developing on the court. I could be wrong though.
Rose Evans Wall........Knight
with that being said, I think Knight will end up being a solid starter, and possibly become an all star. I see Kemba walker being a complete reincarnation of Jameer Nelson, I may be wrong, but I think both could be solid NBA players in the right system.
God how can you say brandon knight is a better decision maker? Did you watch any of the UK vs Uconn matchups? Hell, did you watch Brandon Knight in the NCAA's? The argument is this in my eyes; Knight is younger and has 2 or so inches on Kemba, and he is also a better shooter than kemba was at his age. Things that hurt Kemba are the doubters who think he is only a scorer and too short. If you say , take Knight at 5 instead of Walker, not matter which you slice it its a risk.
Can somebody point me to footage of knight actually breaking a man off the dribble and finishing strong at the rim? His game is orientated around the pick and roll to give him enough space to jack a three or hit a floater, atleast thats what he was doing in the Ncaa's. Not to mention he never guarded Kemba in their matchups because he couldn't stay in front of him. Once workouts start, we'll see whose stock falls/drops.
A comparison I have for Knight is a better version of Hinrich. I think it all depends on where they go. Some systems aren't dependent on a PG to thrive. I think Kemba could have a quick impact on a mid lottery team, but I think Knight will have the more consistent, solid career. I could even see Kemba winning the RoY depending on where he's going. Knight is more versitale than Kemba in a sense that he can fit into different NBA systems. On a playoff team, Kemba will be a sixth man at best because of his play style and how many possessions he will eat up.
APex, what makes you think Kemba eats up possessions? How hard is it for people to understand that if he had more TALENT he wouldn't have needed to "eat up possessions"? You don't think he is capable of lowering his propensity to score? OH and FWIW, He had a better A/T ratio than Knight. All this Knight talk is based on his 'potential factor' of turning INTO a better PG than Kemba is now. But who says Knight has it in him to make the kind of jump that Kemba did his junior year to senior year?
So what kind of player would Kemba be without taking 15-20 shots per game? Would he be more effective taking shots or playing within an offense? He took a lot of shots because he didn't have the talent around him, supposedly, but it's not like he's going to all of a sudden change his playstyle. Kemba plays his best when he's taking and making the shots, which he isn't going to be taking a lot on a good team in the NBA. That is why I believe his best role on a team will be a sixth man role because he can come in and be a mismatch against other opposing bench guards, have the keys to the offense, and not worrying about having to share the ball with other major possession guys as being in a starting lineup would promote.
knight may be a poor man's john stockton. But knight is clutch, although the sample size is small