If there were an all-time NBA draft who would you take number one?
Phil Jackson says Bill Russell. Others are saying Jordan.
I think I would take Magic Johnson. He can run your team, play half court or breakneck full court. He can play the one obviously, but he can post up too, hit the junior skyhook, and also play some point forward a la LeBron and Larry Bird.
With him, your team has an identity and a leader. It also helps that your best player is also your most unselfish player.
With the second pick, and a bunch of the other greats off the table, I am taking Hakeem Olajuwon. Speed, size, athleticism, and some of the best low post moves ever. He is also a leader who you can go inside to, or give him a 15 foot jumper. Good passing skills too.
So there it is, my one two punch. Magic and the Dream.
At 3, I am going with Scottie Pippen. Pip was so great because he was so versatile and he could also defer to other great players. He can defend spots 1, 2, and 3 on the court. He and Magic give me two guys to handle the ball, facilitate, pass, and play the passing lanes. Pip also gives me a shot blocker and ace defender to go with Hakeem. Pippen is decent from mid-range, can finish strong, and also rebound the basketball.
You can put Magic, Hakeem, and Scottie on the break with anyone.
I have some big decisions at 4. Do I go with a shooting guard or do I go with a power forward? Obviously Jordan and Kobe are off the board. Clyde Drexler is on the board, but this might be a bit high. And I won't cheat by saying that Dwayne Wade will definitely be here. I am not sure that he will. Great two way guard for over a decade. Can score, drive, and handle the ball. Being conservative, I am saying that D Wade is off the board.
So, at four I am going with toughness, defense, and rebounding. I am going with Dennis Rodman here. Awesome winner. 2 rings with the Bad Boys, then he went to that Jordan team that lost the year before to Shaq, Penny, and Nick Anderson, filled in perfectly at power forward and then proceeded to rewrite the record books. Yeah, he can't score, but he is probably the best rebounder EVER. Also the guy you want to defend Jordan, Bird, and LeBron. You know, if Pippen gets tired. Rodman can also run the floor and pass pretty well. With some scoring already, Rodman is a guy who doesn't really need the ball.
Rodman completes my freak front line that includes Olajuwon and Pippen.
At 5, I need some more scoring, preferably from the wing, and ideally at the shooting guard spot. I think Frazier is gone. Hondo is probably gone too. I am also taking Dirk off the board since he is one of the best big shooters in NBA history. A guy you can put in at the 4 next to a defensive center. You can also think about playing him at the 3 or 5. Not the best rebounder, but he can definitely pick up a few boards. I also think that Durant is off the board. The guy is young but he can score with anybody.
With four guys already picked, with two left to go (I am using one as a sixth man), I am taking Joe Dumars at pick number 5. A smart, solid, tough basketball player who can shoot, score, and defend. Might be a little bit short, but he is the best option on the table. With a limited number of shots for these guys, I can make him my second option behind Hakeem, but just ahead of Magic and Pippen.
That's my starting five: Magic and Dumars in the backcourt, Pippen and Rodman at forward, and Hakeem at center.
With my sixth pick I am going with a sharp shooter. I am taking Reggie Miller as my shooter off the bench. He may be more one dimensional than other guys, but if you need a shot, it can't hurt to go to Reggie Miller. He also gives me a taller and longer two guard to make up some for Joe Dumars.
Well, that would be my team. I think Magic would be a lot of people's first picks if you had an all-time NBA draft. With him you get ball handling, passing, and leadership, along with scoring and rebounding. That's a great combination. He also makes other guys better.
Wilt's strength, reach, touch and probably a 40+ vertical in his prime has me putting him as the best prospect of all time.
If this is a 30 team draft, none of the players you suggested will be around when you are planning on picking them. The Dream is a top 15 player all time. Pippen is top 40, and so on. And also Jordan not the first pick?!? Come on.
Give me MJ number 1. Ultimate winner and fierce competitor. Nothing he cant do on the bball court.
Give me Tim Duncan in his prime.
As great as these aforementioned guy would be, Timmy is the ultimate team player. My group of guys would play and win as a TEAM.
Having Popovich to be coach doesn't hurt either :)
on what era you play in. I certainly wouldn't draft Russell first in today's game. Have you seen him stand beside lebron? They are basically the same size. He could get away with that when there were 8 teams and mostly only slow whiteys. In today's game? I suspect he would have a tougher time.
I think Wilt's size, strength and athleticism transcend eras.
Magic is just too slow to play pg in today's NBA. Hey Kyle Anderson how is playing pg on the college level working out for you? Oh you aren't a pg anymore, that's cool.
Kareem, two words... weight room.
I think there are only 5 acceptable answers.
These guys were freaks. Skilled and superior physically.
You are right if this were a draft with 30 teams, but if this were more like a fantasy league with 12 to 14 teams then this could work out.
If this were a 30 team draft where you might not be able to get a top 10 center with your second pick then I think the first 8 picks off the board would be Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Bird, Russell, LeBron, and Magic in some order.
Magic still offers a unique skill set and is head and shoulders (literally) above other point guards.
My two would probably be Bill Russell and Jordan since I think they are the two best players ever and I think I would have to agree with Phil and pick Russell. As much as I love Jordan and think he's the GOAT, I love me some defense so having arguably the best defensive/rebounding center of all time would be a dream come true.
I will say though that if the goal was to make an expansion team and bring a previous star back, MJ would have to be the pick. With the new perimeter rules and the stuff he would get away with, MJ would dominate and easily be the pick imo. But with an all-time, fantasy draft approach, Russell is my guy.
Man, that is a great team, OP: Magic, Dumars, Pippen, Rodman and Olajuwon. Four great defenders, one great passer and leader, and enough offense to go around. You might want more shooting though.
I'd go this route:
1st: Wilt Chamberlain -- scoring, defense, rebounding and passing
2nd: Oscar Robertson -- a point guard who can score, pass and rebound
3rd: Dirk Nowitzki -- you really want to double team Wilt?
4th: Clyde Drexler -- the Big O needs someone to run the floor with him
5th: Bernard King -- in case Dirk has a tough matchup, I need another unstoppable scorer
How many guys are drafting, anyway? I'm assuming 8, so everyone should be in the top 40.
I think it would be Wilt if it wasn't for his demeanor. The guy should have won a championship every year he was in the league, but he only managed two? I couldn't trust him as a number one. An elite two guard is hard to find, but could you draft an all time defender to stop them? What about Bill Walton in his prime or Tim Duncan to run the offense in the low or high post? I love LeBron as my starting point guard, but when he's faced with a lane closing D he sits on the perimeter. Larry Bird could get chewed up athletically. As one dimensional as he may seem, Shaq comes out looking like a really good option in a one season format. But when all is done, I think you've got to take Jordan. After he, Kobe, West, and Wade elite two guards are rare. A healthy McGrady would be enticing, but when in doubt Michael would be my pick.
Edit: A healthy McGrady would be enticing to wait until the second or third round as a two, not first overall. And this is taking into account a 30 team, serpentine draft spanning a season or career.
you didn't say how many teams there are. imo the top 3 would be MJ, LeBron and Wilt in some order. If this is a 12 team fantasy league give me the #2 pick and I would take whichever of MJ or LeBron was left.
I would love to have either 1. Lebron athletic ability and Basketball IQ transcends every era. His all around skill and ability to play anywhere would be a huge asset to any team. He is the ultimate glue guy that will fit wherever he needs to win. The 2nd guy Id grab we a fill it up scorer.
I have Reggie Miller as my sixth man shooter.
The thing about Magic, you cover passing, ball handling, and all that. You can put him at point, or on the wing, or at the power forward spot for small ball.
You can take him 1, and then with a pick in the 20s or 30s (if teams with the first pick move to the end of the line for the second round) you can take David Robinson with your second pick giving you two long, skilled freaks at the two most important positions on the floor. Then you can put defenders and shooters around them like Robert Horry, Michael Cooper, and Shane Battier with your later picks. Then go best available with your 3rd and 4th picks.
If Pippen is gone by the third pick under this scenario then I am seeing if Kevin Durant is there. He can be the wing scorer as well as the help side shot blocker who can also rebound some. Magic, Admiral, and KD is a heck of a team. You can find role players to put with those three guys, but your Big 3 is definitely there.
I would like to know how many teams also. I would even consider drafting Hakeem #1 overall. In his prime he was just amazing.
Haha we should do this with 12 to 14 regular guys on the board and see what happens. If we did it fantasy style with 12 teams or so there is no way Hakeem would be there at #24 if you pick Magic at #1.
I'd take MJ without question. Much better defender than Magic, a much better offensive player than Russell, (and Russell's 11 championships in a much smaller league aren't more impressive IMO that MJs 6 in an era with 27+ teams) and more of a winner and player who made his teammates better than Wilt.
Surprised a lot of posts feature Wilt at or near the top. The guy only wanted statistics whereas Bill Russell just wanted to win, win, and win.
What about '77 Bill Walton? or '00 Shaq? Listing the player and the exact year/version you'd want would help too.
Yeah, Miller would be a good choice as the 5th man/designated outside shooter.
How about this: assume 10 teams, and pick your five. Here are my top 50 guys, roughly 10 at each position, ranked by where I think they would go.
Rules: Pick 5 guys, one at each position (plausibly). In the 1st round you can take anyone. In the 2nd round, designated 1st rounders are off limits. In the 3rd round, 1st and 2nd rounders are off limits. In the 4th round, 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders are off limits. In the 5th round, guys designated in the first 4 rounds are off limits. You can take any guy outside of my list of 50 at any time. (You don't have to take one of my designated 2nd rounders in the 2nd round -- you can take anyone not designated as a first rounder.)
1st rounders: Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, LeBron James, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kobe Bryant, Oscar Robertson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bill Russell
2nd rounders: Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley, Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett, Julius Erving, Jerry West, Kevin Durant, John Stockton
3rd rounders: Steve Nash, Scottie Pippen, Dirk Nowitzki, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler, Jason Kidd, Dwyane Wade, Moses Malone, Bill Walton, Elgin Baylor
4th rounders: Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Carmelo Anthony, Isaiah Thomas, Bob Pettit, Elvin Hayes, Pete Maravich, John Havlicek, Walt Frazier, Dominique Wilkins
5th rounders: Allen Iverson, Patrick Ewing, Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, Bob McAdoo, Dennis Rodman, Ray Allen, Tony Parker, Bob Cousy, Rick Barry
Who are your 5 picks?
Given that I changed the rules from my first post, here are my 5, assuming a 10 team league and following my rules in the post above:
1st round: Wilt
2nd round: CP3
3rd round: Dirk
4th round: Reggie
5th round: Rodman
Offense, defense, passing, shot-blocking, leadership -- all covered. Two unstoppable scorers, two great rebounders, a floor general, a defensive specialist, and a top three point threat.
You really picked Wilt over Jordan, Kareem, and James? Then paired him with Rodman? Hard to believe that pays off, though I'd like to see what they do off the court. TMZ's already all over it.
I'm shocked that he picked CP3 with his second rounder
FWIW I'd pick:
1. '13 LeBron - Normally I'd go MJ here, then pair him with Pippen in 3rd round, but that would mean I can't pair him with my 4th rounder in Isiahh Thomas.
2. '03 Tim Duncan - Can play both PF and C and ultimate team guy.
3. '09 Dwyane Wade - Monster (and healthy) season with 30-5-7 averages and 49-77-32 splits in 79 games.
4. '89 Isiah Thomas - Waterbug point guard and perfect compliment to LeBron as far as running the team.
5. '90 Patrick Ewing. 28 and 11 with four blocks per game. Not a bad compliment on both sides of the floor to Duncan. Notorious for not getting a ring, but with the other four players he wouldn't have to worry about coming up big in crunch time.
Biggest issue is 3-point spacing and Ewing's flat top.
Following your format, I'd have to go with:
1st round-Bill Russell
2nd round-Kevin Garnett
3rd round-Steve Nash
4th round-John Havlicek
5th round-Ray Allen
I think I can win with those guys.
Isiah Thomas, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, and Shaquille O'Neal.
Yep, I can win with those guys.
Round 1: Michael Jordan
Round 2: Tim Duncan
Round 3. Scottie Pippen
Round 4: Gary Payton
Round 5: Patrick Ewing
Solid group of two-way guys.
Definitely my second squad after LeBron-Duncan-Wade-Isiah-Ewing.
id pick lebron....let the negs begin lol
I can see the Lebron selection.
that main reason I don't consider Lebron a top 10 player all time just yet is because his body of resume doesn't compare to guys like MJ, Magic, Kareem, quite yet. However if were talking about taking any player during their peak then he's got to receive serious consideration.
yea exactly, thats what i was thinking. its like for all we know lebron could have 4 championships and 7 mvps before hes all done... i mean thats based on a potential guess...but isnt that what the nba draft is? picking the best players with the most potential for the future? i dont know, its just that i dont see lebron getting worse anytime soon so i gotta go with him
Jordan. Jordan. Jordan. Jordan. And Jordan.
Jordan was the best player of all time. This as close as you could possibly get to undebatable. He was an athlete, a winner, the ultimate competitor, could carry a team for stretches like no other. Would take the last 10 shots of the game if he had to, and his team would find a way to win. Extremely well rounded, passed well, rebounded well, was an excellent defender.
Russell and Wilt could play now adays, but expecting either to be better than Jordan is just funny. Russell was a great winner and defender, but had nowhere the skillset of a Michael Jordan. Wilt had amazing skills for a big man, but was about the most selfish athlete of all time.
The real question is for #2, and I have to admit, I think I would go with LeBron.
I'd probably pick Hakeem, best post moves of all time, with handles and court vision for a bigman with a jumper.Then on defense he is the all time leader in blocks, while getting about 14 rpg and 2 steals a game in his prime. My second option would then probably be Lebron just becuase he excels at everything you can. 3rd option would be MJ, yeah call me crazy but the 2 guys above are litteraly "do it all guys" at the best level and get 30 ppg
No problem with people taking MJ number one, but you're seriously underestimating Wilt. He was so selfish he led the league in assists one season.
And you can't take 5 first rounders and call it a team.
Did you read any of the stories about him leading the league in assists? He literally did it because it was another record he wanted to have. That's all he cared about was stats. He was extremely talented. He also played in an era where 80+% of the league wouldn't even make it in the NBA this day. And his one true peer beat him in pretty much every big game they matched up in.
A lot of you are over-thinking yourselves... IF Michael Jordan is on the board with the #1 pick... You don't pass him. You just don't.
Not one of you would have the balls to pass him up lol.
I say we do this. 16 teams, serpentine draft, starting five, non-fantasy; just debates on how teammates compliment each other and how they'd matchup against the team their facing. Is anybody in?
Michael Jordan's motivation after getting picked behind LeBron or Russell....oh ****!
Based on the pick being on what players have accomplished as of now I have to go with MJ. I dont think one single player has cast a shadow over the league for so long. Jordan has been retired for more than ten years and people still compare player to Jordans greatness. Until the ultimate compliment is gettign compared to another player outside of Jordan and he is no longer the Goat he is the only choice. As good as Bill Russell was how much of his dominance can be attributed to the era he played in and him being one of the best athletes in the game. I think when he played the best players werent all in the nba because of racial issues and the nba not getting paid what they do today. I give Russell and Wilt credit but I dont think the NBa was the goal of the best young athletes when Russell and Wilt were playing.
scalabrine might be a good choice in the 3rd round, i mean think about it, u need a guy like him on your team, one of the greatest IMO besides i heard he won a hotdog eating contest back in '99
I'd take Jordan or LeBron. It really would be cool to see the forum actually have a 5 round draft of this though.