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Who will the Jazz "reach" for at 9...

We wouldn't want someone real athletic like Aminu or George, or with tremendous upside like Whiteside, Davis, or Udoh. No...we want someone with a lower ceiling, and preferably white, like Aldrich, Hayward, or Babbit. The Jazz rarely take the best player available. They take the player that they feel best fits their system, and will be good in the community. I'm sure, as a Jazz fan, I'll be very disappointed on draft day...again.


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But, knowing their history...

They will probably find a complete steal at the end of the second round, and at least partially make up for yet another first round disaster.

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hmm..

yeah, cause there last lottery pick was white unathletic and wasnt very good... o nevermind, his name is Deron Williams and is one of the best pgs in the league, sorry i got confused cause i thought you said they are bad drafters.

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I mean will you be happy...

If they draft Aldrich, Babbitt, or Hayward??

Honestly...wouldn't you feel like they left a better player on the board?

Sorry...I'm just down on these three guys. In the NBA, I see them as roleplayers at best.

I just want someone a little bit better then a role player with a lottery pick.

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Babbitt

I would feel very frustrated if the Jazz drafted Aldrich or Hayward, but I wouldn't be to unhappy with Babbitt, he is exactly what we need at the 3 but I want to see Udoh be the Jazz draft pick, he gives us length, defense, shotblocking and he is versatile offensively.

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Yes...but Deron was the 3rd pick...

Even they can't find a way to blow the 3rd pick. Not that Chris Paul would have been a bad choice either. And besides, they were picking lower, and traded to move up. But that is like the exception to the rule when it comes to good first round picks in like the last 12 years.

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I guess Kirilenko would be the other one...

That they hit on...but that was going back pretty far. Not one other player they have drafted with a first round pick in like the last ten years is still currently on the team ( besides Williams and AK), except...drum role please...Kosta Koufus!!

Everyone else were either free agent signings, picked up in trades, second round picks, or undrafted players. I don't think i'm leaving anybody out.

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Whiteside would be a TERRIBLE

Whiteside would be a TERRIBLE fit in Utah. He'd be in Sloan's doghouse right away. He thinks his sh*t doesn't stink. His IQ is low. He doesn't fight hard, which would really burn Sloan up. He's weak. He's a terrible passer. He has a long way to go offensively.

Davis should be a solid power forward, but I don't see any reason to go nuts if Utah doesn't pick him.

I like Udoh. I think he'd be a good fit with the Jazz. He can score, pass, defend and is a smart player. He's ready to step in and contribute right away.

Aldrich would be a good fit also. It has nothing to do with his color. It has more to do with the fact that he's tough and smart. He doesn't back down. He's a great defender and decent offensively. He's a Sloan type of player.

Korver probably won't return, so they do need to address the need of shooting. That's where I think Babbitt and Hayward come into play. #9 is too high for Hayward, but it's starting not to look too high for Babbitt. Babbitt is more athletic than we all thought and can obviously shoot the lights out. I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with that selection.

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Calm down, the Jazz are going

Calm down, the Jazz are going to take a big unless all of the top tier power forwards like Monroe, Patterson, Davis, and Udoh in this draft are gone by #9 which is highly unlikely. I don't see the Jazz drafting Aldrich because how badly he measured at the measurements. Also they won't draft Hayward or Babbitt at #9 the only way I see them taking one of them is by trading down which I don't think they will do. I see the draft going like this, Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins, Johnson, Aminu, Monroe, George, and that leaves the Jazz to choose from Patterson, Davis, and Udoh and if they believe they can sign Boozer they could choose Henry. I think that is a position tha the Jazz would like to be in and ultimitely I see the Jazz coming out of this draft with Patterson or Davis and a 2nd rounder who will be a steal.

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I think we will make good use

I think we will make good use of this pick. I highly doubt we take Babbitt or Hayward. Aldrich on the other hand i think they would take. I'm not very high on him but i think he could be a solid role player and could contribute right away. We need size and an inside presence on D, anyone can see that. This pick is a great chance to get what we need. I for one think it should be one of the following in this order. Whiteside, Davis, Aldrich, or Edoh. We could use another wing player but it most likely will happen threw free agency. We need a solid vet. that can play the 2 or the 3. We are young enough with C.J. and Wes. We don't need another young player at either position, that's why i don't think well make the mistake of taking Babbitt or Hayward.

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Sorry...

I'm so negative today. Just had a bad night last night. I really don't think Aldrich is worth the 9th pick, but if he and Udoh (whom I really like) are both available, can't you see the Jazz drafting Cole (because he would "fit the system" better)?
It's just their recent decade of first rounds picks doesn't give me a bunch of confidence they will take the "best" player available at 9.

I'll try to get more positive...this year will be different. This year were going to make a wise choice. That better?

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Babbitt is a super talent

Don't sell Babbitt short.

Babbitt recorded the highest vertical leap of any frontcourt player in this year's draft.

He's extremely quick and athletic obviously

The mobility testing showed him to be one of the most mobile players in this year's draft.

He's the best shooter in the draft by far.

21.9 points per game, 8.9 rebounds per game, 2.1 assists per game, 50% from the field, 91.7% from the line, 41.6% from 3-point range.

Great face up skills.
Great post up skills.
Great off the dribble.
Creates own shot.
Creates for teammates.
Good ball handler.
Aggressive rebounder.
Strong.
Tough.
High bball IQ.

He's 6-8 3/4 with a 6-11 1/4 wingspan.

The Jazz haven't had a SF talent like this before.

His demeanor and professionalism reminds me of John Stockton. A frontcourt version.

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The Jazz will either take

The Jazz will either take Cole Aldrich or Ekpe Udoh.

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I didn't read one thing

I didn't read one thing relating to defense in that post about Babbitt.

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If the Jazz take a backup C

If the Jazz take a backup C Aldrich or backup PF Udoh, the Jazz will have blown the draft and destroyed their future for years to come.

In the lottery, you take stars. Not bench players.

Babbitt has the work ethic, quickness, athleticism, size and length to be a good defender at the SF position and the talent to be a great starting SF.

Babbitt's ceiling is much higher than any of the backup big men mentioned as candidates for the Jazz at #9. He has better skills. He has more athleticism.

Miles and Kirilenko are not the answers at SF.

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"Babbitt has the work ethic,

"Babbitt has the work ethic, quickness, athleticism, size and length to be a good defender at the SF position."

Why wasn't he a good defender at Nevada? He made little to no impact on the defensive end. He wasn't an effective defender, which doesn't make sense considering how he tested athletically at the combine.

Babbitt's athleticism doesn't translate the way it should.

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why does everyone think that

why does everyone think that the lottery if full of stars? the Top 3 and maybe 5 are good to great players but your unhappy with a solid role player with the 9th pick? The draft is not full of John Walls

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There are always your late

There are always your late lottery, mid to late first round and second round surprises, but it's honestly a crap shot after the first four or five picks.

Some people act like this is 1984, 1996 or something... Getting a quality role player that could potentially play for 10-12 years late in the lottery is a success in my opinion.

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I guess i'm late to the party with this Babbitt kid...

For those that have seen more of him then I, who would you compare him too?

Is he going to get burnt at the defensive end? If so, Jerry will pull him the same way he does Miles.

Surely he's got some definite weaknesses or he would be in the top ten of at least a few mock drafts.

I just remember Morris Almond...some said he was the best shooter in his draft also.

I also don't see where his playing time would come from.

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Babbitt

He was a good defender at Nevada.

He has far more pluses and upside than any of the big men busts or bench player types mentioned as candidates for the Jazz at #9.

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Whiteside will be at least as

Whiteside will be at least as good as Samuel Dalembert. I would take him or Davis.

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The Jazz lost because of lack

The Jazz lost because of lack of front court-defense not because of a lack of outside shooting and starpower. They need a Big Man now.Cole Aldrich reminds me of a small Chris Kaman and I think could become a very successful project for Coach Sloan.
I dont see the Jazz organization doing anything but doing the smart thing for the team and organization.No risks...

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what do u jazz fans think of

what do u jazz fans think of a swap with the wolves 16 +23 for 9. i think the jazz could use depth

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babbit it good man. He's the

babbit it good man. He's the American Turkoglu

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If all your going to get with the ninth pick is a role player...

Which most likely will be the case, regardless of who you take in this particular draft...why doesn't it make more sense to try to trade it for a veteran, and get some proven talent. At least that way, you know your going to get SOMETHING, because the guy has already proven he can play in the league. Is there something wrong with my logic?

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I thought Aldrich would be an

I thought Aldrich would be an alright pick for the Jazz. Udoh could be a good choice as well but if Boozer stays where will he play. Utah should probably take Henry at the two spot. There may not be any bigs that are ready to play now left for the Jazz to pick. They should grab a 2 or a 3 and keep Kirilenko and play him at the 4 spot with Milsap to back him up if Boozer leaves. They may have to sign a big though to play behind Okur.

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Babbitt's athleticism,

Babbitt's athleticism, leaping ability and length translates well at both ends. He uses them to make many of his moves and keep opposing defenders off balance.

Just watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0_PCqoB0aI

Babbitt has the work ethic, quickness, athleticism, size, length and aggressiveness to be a good defender at the SF position and the talent to be a starting SF with all-star potential.

Babbitt's ceiling is much higher than any of the backup big men or busts mentioned as candidates for the Jazz at #9.
He has better skills.
He has better athleticism.
He has a higher bball IQ.

6-6 Miles (9.9ppg 2.7 rpg 1.7 apg) and Kirilenko are NOT the answers at SF. Sorry.

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I would be pissed if we don't

I would be pissed if we don't take a big. C.J Miles And Wes Matthews both improved their games in the playoffs. Miles averaged over 14ppg. Wes didn't shoot well but averaged 13ppg 4.4 reb and 1.8 steals as a rookie. Their both only 23 and will keep getting better. We need a veteran that those positions not another young player like Babbitt or Hayward. Take Whiteside whose 5 blocks a game can translate over to the NBA and can be the Defensive presence we need down low, Or Ed Davis who is probably the most Athletic big in the draft. A good 6"10 with a 36 inch vert. I think people are sleeping on him because he didnt have a great offensive year and got hurt.

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cyclo: I think Babbitt looks

cyclo:

I think Babbitt looks like a quality player, but it really isn't fair to compare points, assists and rebounds to Miles considering that Babbitt was a higher offensive priority.

I would still rather see the Jazz pick up an instant impact big player if one is still available. But I wouldn't be disappointed in Babbitt if not. He looks solid and if he really does have a good work ethic, perhaps he would become a solid defender in the Jazz's system.

One big shortcoming I've seen with the Jazz aside from interior presence is a lack of good perimeter defense. They rotate way too slow and teams with good shooters kill us.

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Why did you have to say Not

Why did you have to say
Not athletic,low Ceiling,No Upside, being good in the community and white. Thats just Racist

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The Babbitt highlights were pretty impressive...

I have to admit. The caliber of competition is just so much greater in the NBA though then what he played against at the college level (same with Paul George). That's why it's difficult to know whether there play can transfer to the next level or not. Udoh is still my guy, but my impressions of Babbitt have risen.

Cyclo...I think your underselling the ability of Udoh. The guy is just a menace defensively, and he's a decent offensive player. I wouldn't label him a project. I could see him averaging 8-10pts, 4-6rebs, and 2-3 blocks per game as a rookie (if he played around 24 minutes a game). I think because of his length, and his awesome wingspan, you could actually get a way with playing him some at the center position against a number of teams.

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StF616...

Chill...i'm a white dude, and I don't hate my race. The fact of the matter is, most good white players in the league are European players. There aren't a large number of home grown white players who have a large impact in the NBA (and I'm speaking more of the present time, then back in the day, when there were a few more). The Jazz organization really makes a big deal of bringing in "good" guys, and that has always been a part of their philosophy. That's why I made that comment. I'm not racist. Not in the least.

There is only so much Aldrich and Hayward can bring to the table as NBA players. It doesn't mean they won't have decent careers, but I'm just saying they won't ever have a chance of playing in any NBA all-star games. I mean if a guy like Whiteside actually lived up to his ability (someday), he could be an all-star...no question.

I guess I just like the idea of drafting a guy who at least has a CHANCE to possibly be great.

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JazzinSLC: I think Whiteside

JazzinSLC:

I think Whiteside has tremendous potential due to his size, but after scrutinizing every bit of footage I could including the recent workout tape with the Pacers, he looks like a major project and I don't want to see the Jazz using their 9th pick for someone not ready for the NBA.

I am really hoping they take Udoh if they don't trade up.

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HASSAN CHOP!!

Sorry...I just had to say that. It's a looney tune reference...for those that have no idea what the hell I said that for. LOL

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3 Way Trade?? JAZZ

3 Way Trade??

JAZZ RECIEVES
-Wilson Chandler
-New York 2nd Round Pick
-Antoine Wright

NEW YORK RECIEVES
-Chris Bosh
-Jose Calderon
-CJ Miles

RAPTORS RECIEVE
-Utah 9th Overall Pick
-David Lee
New York 2nd Round Pick

Im not saying I like the trade from a fans perspective but I do believe if Bosh decides he wants to go to New York and only New York this could easily happen.

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That's a &$#%#&@! trade for

That's a bad trade for the jazz. Chandler is a really good player. But he's no Chris Bosh or David Lee. Plus Calderon and the 9th pick for the other teams. Why would we do that?

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It sounds like Boozer will

It sounds like Boozer will walk and become a free agent so I think the Jazz should be looking to at PF.

I think they will be looking at one of these three; Patterson, E. Davis, Monroe

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God awful trade for the Jazz...

Terrific for the Knicks. Average for the Raptors.

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what do you guys think about

what do you guys think about minnesota sending 16 + 23 for Utahs 9? I think the Jazz could use more cheap players... and the difference between 9 and 16 is relatively small...

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what do you guys think about

what do you guys think about minnesota sending 16 + 23 for Utahs 9? I think the Jazz could use more cheap players... and the difference between 9 and 16 is relatively small...

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xbadgerhustler...

A good deal for Minnesota. There is potentially a HUGE difference between 9 and 16.

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and by that i mean, there

and by that i mean, there will be a decent big man available for the jazz, although they'll have less of a selection to choose from.

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Not good candidates for #9

Whiteside: Does NOT have "tremendous upside." He SUCKS. Period. Low bball IQ. Bad attitude. Thinks he's better than he is. Has looked awful in workouts, confused, lost, weak, surrenders against other big men and gives up.

Davis: I like Davis, but not at #9 in the lottery. Too risky. Doesn't have much of an offensive game. Plays too much like another UNC player 6'11" Brandon Wright. What's Brandan Wright been doing lately for Golden State? If Brandan Wright were in this draft, Jazz fans would be begging the Jazz to draft him. It would be a huge mistake.

Udoh: I like Udoh too, but not at #9 in the lottery. Aran Smith compares him to a couple of busts Jerome Moiso and Chris Gatling. What happened to them? At best, a nice backup? 6-9 3/4 with shoes. Good length. Average athleticism. Not a big scorer. Averaged 5.0 points as a freshman, 6.0 points as a sophmore, 13.9 points as a junior. Sorry. Good PFs in the NBA scored more in college. Should be a good defender. Won't be a starter. May never be a starter. Won't be the star or impact player the Jazz need.

The Jazz can do better at #9 than one bust and two bench players.

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Whats bad about the trade all

Whats bad about the trade all you give up is the 9th pick,

You Choose
Chandler+Wright+2nd
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The 9th Pick
Aldrich/Udoh/Patterson/Whiteside etc.

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Whats bad about the trade all

Whats bad about the trade all you give up is the 9th pick,

You Choose
Chandler+Wright+2nd
or
The 9th Pick
Aldrich/Udoh/Patterson/Whiteside etc.

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luke babitt can play and

luke babitt can play and shoot surprisingly athletic for a white guy. good off the dribble i would be happy if he fell to Minny at #16

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Boozer

Patterson, Davis and Udoh are not big scorers.

Neither Patterson, Davis or Udoh would be able to match Boozer's numbers (19ppg and 11rpg).

So if Boozer walks and the Jazz just draft a PF at #9 to replace him, the Jazz will have effectively downgraded. That's not helping the Jazz improve.

I can't think of any teams that want Boozer at over $10 million a year. Teams don't want to risk a repeat of the Elton Brand fiasco in Philly. So I think there's still a chance he re-signs with the Jazz after testing the waters.

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I was big on Whiteside until

I was big on Whiteside until I heard about his workout with the Pacers and his attitude and body language. We don't need a problem child.
My first choice would be Udoh, then Monroe, then Orton or Babbitt. Babbit is very skilled, he can really shoot, which would spread the floor and he can put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. That is something Korver can't do.
Babbitt is 6'9" and the Jazz need a big, long SF to play with AK, CJ should improve and that will be great but he really isn't a 3, he is more suited to play the 2.
That being said, I hope the Jazz pick Udoh, we need a long, athletic, defensive minded 4 and he would be perfect.
Even Favors will be a project, but Udoh had a pretty complete game. He works hard and should improve.

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I was high on Whiteside until I saw him play in a few games. I am now 100% certain he would not be a success on the Jazz.

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Boozer

The problem with resigning Booz is he will bankrupt the Jazz and he won't fix our problem. We need to get longer in the front court. Draft Udoh and others will have to pick up the slack. Udoh will provide a defensive presence from the PF position, something Booz doesn't bring. Fes needs to develop and become someone we can depend on for 10 pts and 10 boards and we would probably end up being a better team.

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