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Who will the jazz pick?

Who will the jazz pick with their two lottery picks?


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Brandon Knight and The Jimmer

Brandon Knight and The Jimmer

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are they planning on keeping

are they planning on keeping their bigs? if so who would you draft? Hayward is a small foward,so you got the guard positions somewhat open.

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I would like to see them get

I would like to see them get Jonas Valciunas and Terrence Jones and next Year get Kabongo and Terrence Ross then they would have a young potential star at every position for the future. There future would be very bright.

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but what would they do

but what would they do because they dont have a SG and they need one really bad. I thought that they would get Alec Burks and either Terrence Jones or Jimmer

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How would anyone know who

How would anyone know who they should draft? they got 1 developing big, 2 bigs that are 26,then their euro bigs Ante Tomic and Okur,a point guard that is 28 who never gets better,they just drafted Hayward,i mean come on i dont even think Kevin Oconnor knows what hes quite doing.

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Jan Vesley could be an

Jan Vesley could be an interesting pick if AK47 happened to move on or they might decide to develop Vesley along with Gordon Hayward to be the long term options at SF given that Vesley can play some PF as well and AK47 can fill a number of positions and Hayward can play SG as well. With Raja Bell now at the veteran stage a younger SG will be required so if Hayward takes on that role then Vesley can play around AK47 at SF.

Williams might be a draft option if he could be a full time SF and a younger PG would be logical with one of the draft picks as he could develop around Devin Harris. If they get a shot at Irving they should logically take him but could take a Kemba Walker type to give them a bench scoring spark if they don't come up in the lottery.

They have some decent young bigs but if they could a true C would be handy as their bigs are more offensive based but there is a lack of them in the draft.

I honestly think that if their lottery doesn't come up they look to combine the picks and trade up maybe for Irving as they did so with great success for Deron Williams in 2005.

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Jan Vesely isnt a bad player

Jan Vesely isnt a bad player but he isnt the best ball handler for the SF and the jazz have 2 pretty good PFs already. That wouldnt suprise me if they traded their two picks for a higher pick also.

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or do they trade next years

or do they trade next years pick (top 7 protected) and one of their players for a solid player and then get 2 positions they truely need

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If they can get into the top

If they can get into the top 3, I think Kanter would be a great fit. Burks seems like a good fit also if they don't move up. With their latter pick they should go for maybe Jones, Hamilton or Leonard.

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LionsInHeat, I also have

LionsInHeat,

I also have the Jazz picking up Brandon Knight and Jimmer Fredette. That would give them two good guards who can shoot and handle the ball. Knight would be a very steady starting point guard. I posted in another thread that Jimmer Fredette is my sleeper pick for 6th man of the year. Coming off the bench for the Jazz would be an ideal situation for Jimmer Fredette. They could also go small and play Knight and Fredette together in the backcourt. Those are the best guys available when the Jazz pick. ... I think Terrence Jones is ok, but I like Gordon Hayward a lot, and AK-47 is a better combo forward. The Jazz are also loaded at power forward so he probably wouldn't get any minutes there. With those two picks to go along with the rest of their team, I think the Jazz has a real shot at making the playoffs next year.

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I have them selecting Vesely

I have them selecting Vesely and Hamilton. Hamilton as stated earlier on this site would work perfectly within the Jazz system.

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Utah's draft board

Utah's best chance at getting a top 3 pick comes with the 6th pick obviously. So with that I would be hoping for one of two situations. The top pick or the second pick. There you can get either Kyrie Irving or Derrick Williams and Utah would be set. However if they get the third pick, then I don't know who I would go with as both Kyrie and Williams will be gone by the third pick. But if they stay where they are at, the 6th pick, the future is bright and I see Utah drafting Alec Burks. Kevin O'conner always drafts guys that fit well into Utah's system. (See Gordon Hayward, Ronnie Brewer, Deron Williams, Eric Maynor, Paul Millsap the list goes on and on) Alec Burks is the perfect 2 guard that Utah desperately needs. The PG is also a need as is SF. Although I would wait on PG for next year when better prospects are available like Myck Kabongo or Kendall Marshall. There will most likely be a SF available at the 12 pick,while with the 6th pick you got Vesely, who I am concerned about because of his horrible ball handling. But at 12, Terrance Jones and Kawhi Leonard will be available which are certainly good options. So is Jimmer as a bench scorer/6th man if Jones and Leonard are not available. Or if Utah does not fill their hole at SG with the 6th pick than Jordan Hamilton is an option. Also trading the pick is possible too. If Utah trades the 12th pick than I would trade Raja Bell along with it because that would help Utah start the rebuilding process. I have no idea what Utah is doing at 12 because the options are endless. But at 6, I have a much clearer idea of what is going to happen.

Here is what Utah's draft board should look like:

  • 6th pick: Kyrie Irving, Derrick Williams (interchangeable), Alec Burks, Brandon Knight, Jan Vesely, Kemba Walker. (I am really high on Alec Burks, I think he's gonna be a great player and possibly an all star some day, so that is why he is so high)
  • 12th pick: Terrance Jones, Kawhi Leonard, Jordan Hamilton, Jimmer, or trade the pick along with Raja Bell

One thing that is for sure, is that Utah will not draft a big. Why do I say this, because of two reasons:

1. Currently Utah is stacked at 4 and the 5 positions. (Millsap, Jefferson, Favors, Fez, Okur, and not to mention Tomic who might come over next year. Tomic can replace Okur if he never comes back from his injury)

2. It is not likely that Jefferson is traded because of 2 reasons, 1 he likes Utah, and 2 the best positions to trade Jefferson for would be either Center or SF. I don't see any teams likely willing to give up their star center or even their star SF. That's what you would have to trade Jefferson for inorder to at least try and get equal value. The only SF's that I can think of that would work in Utah's system and has a slight possibility of leaving his team is Danny Granger and Iggy. Unfortunately the chances of Granger leaving Indy are very small and Iggy's chances of leaving Philly are a little bigger but still unlikely unless Elton Brand leaves. If Jefferson was more truly a Center then we might be in business for Iggy but unfortunately he is more truly a PF and that position is already filled for Philly, so Jefferson would not work out too well there. Indy needs a PF so that is why trading him for Granger is possible but again the chances of Indy trading Granger are very slim.

This is why I did not list Centers or PF's in the draft board. They really are not a need that Utah has so why list them?

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Alec Burks and Jimmer

Alec Burks and Jimmer Fredette would be a good combination too.

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i'm sticking with my

i'm sticking with my prediction

#6 Alec Burks(even though his stock keep rising and it seems right now that the #6 spot is the worst case for him)

#12 Jimmer Fredette - it's a lock, Utah the only team that would take him lottery, they just would not give up the opportunity to bring the local kid and at #12 it may be acceptable

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Im going with #6 Jimmer and

Im going with #6 Jimmer and #12 Jordan Hamilton.

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#6 Brendon Knight #12 Alec

#6 Brendon Knight #12 Alec Burks(bit of a strech)

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I'm blown away by everyone

I'm blown away by everyone that wants Burks. The Jazz are the worst jump shooting team in the league! In the flex offense, spacing is imperative! The jazz need a jump shooter, and although Burks is a shooting guard.... HE IS NOT A JUMP SHOOTER.

I agree that shooting guard is their most pressing need, but you can't just look at the list of shooting guards and say... "well, we need a shooting guard, so lets take the best available." Because Jazz fans, I hate to tell you this, but a team a starting lineup of Al, Favors, Hayward, Burks, and Harris, only has one guy who can shoot the 3... Just for fun, look at those teams that are still playing and ask yourself which of those teams are as bad a jump shooting team as that would be.... None of them (the grizzlies don't hit the long ball... but they're an outstaning mid range team.

Having said all that, I have no idea who to take. I have faith in O'Conner though. I never would have drafted Hayward #9 last year... and I NEVER would have even dreamed about taking Evans in the 2nd round... so I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt (yes, I know he's made some mistakes in the past, but I'm just going to have to have faith in the guy.)

If the jazz get a top two pick, I'd take Derrick Williams at the 3. If they pick 6 or 7 (or... gulp... 8), then I'd like to see Brandon Knight. Call me crazy but I think he'll be the best PG in the draft.... yes, better than Irving. Give me a guy who takes an overacheiving team of freshman to the final four, and played healthy the whole year over a guy who played 11 games the whole year and took the previous national championship team to the... gulp... sweet 16.

If he's not available then I take...wait for it...Bismack Biyombo (AKA the big athletic tough black guy Jazz fans have been waiting for all these years). If you're still reading this (and you probably aren't), you're probably wondering why I would say that the Jazz need a jump shooter and then say, take Bismack.... well, it's simple really. A front line of Biyombo and Favors would be, in my opinion, one of the most defensively dominate and freakishly athletic front lines in the league. I think if you put those two guys with Evans and Hayward and you have one of the best rebounding, highflying, and exciting teams in the NBA. Then you pray Fredette is available at 12. If he's not, then Hopefully Kemba Walker is.

Let me go back to Biyombo for a minute. I don't want just any big man. I want a freak athlete-intimidating-rebounding-scary-ruthless-fiend. I don't know if Biyombo is that... but I think at worst, he's a 8 pt, 10 rb, and 2.5 block guy in the NBA (yes, I really just said that at worst he'll block 2.5 shots a game. I know the Jazz's best player right now is probably Al Jefferson, but he's such a huge defensive liability. Every good team puts him in the pick and roll and kills him. He needs a defensive machine in the game with him (which unfortunately Paul Millsap is not anymore. Favors and Biyombo can be defensive animals.

I need to stop writing. I'm tired. In conclusion, I don't want Kanter (who's going to get hurt), or Burks (who is Ronnie Brewer 2.0... somebody's going to give me a neg for that)... I want Knight or Evans and Fredette.

Unless of course David Khan offers Ricky Rubio for the #6 and Raja Bell....

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That would be a very interesting trade

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why wouldnt the jazz get

why wouldnt the jazz get someone at number 6 and then get bismack biyambo at number 12?

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They a need a guard, but i think they need to put some serious pressure on devin harris too.

I'm ok with "the27guy" on the burks case, i add that D-will is gone, maybe i'll draft him at 6 with the nash-CP3 likes, not with a 5 assists PG who won't make him better than he is...

Depends on what they did with AK47 and the lottery(knight would be gone at 6), but my pool would be knight-fredette-kemba for the offensive boost, Vesely-Leonard-Biyombo for the athletic stand point, D, hustle, off ball guys, whom every team needs.

Hayward was a 2 when puts 34 on kobe ?, let him try again next season.

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Burks wil most likely come off the bench as a rookie

@27guy, I realize that Burks is not a great jump shooter but that doesn't mean he won't be good in the NBA. Just because Utah drafts him with the sixth pick does not mean they will start him. They could just as well draft Terrance Jones with the 12th pick and start Harris, Hayward, Jones, Favors, and Jefferson. that also is not a great 3pt shooting starting lineup but at least it will have more than one 3pt shooter. As a matter of fact because Burks is not a good jump shooter, but still a good passer (and therefore the perfect jazz pick) I'd say he is more likely to come off the bench and learn how to shoot better. With Utah having Jeff Hornacek as one of their assistant coaches I have no doubt that Burks will develop a good jump shot.

While I do agree that Biyombo and Favors would be a great defensive frontline, I do not think he would be a good 6th pick. I think he would be much better pick at 12. (and even at 12 it is still a risk) With Biyombo you have to remember that about 3 weeks ago this guy was basically an unknown and most likely a second round pick. Then all of a sudden in a performance at the Nike Hoop Summit he shot up draft boards and went from a second round wonder to a lottery pick. Doesn't that in the least bit concern you? Yes, he had a great performance there but great performances like these happen all the time but that doesn't mean he'll be great. The last person to have a near triple double at the Nike Hoop Summit was Saer Sene in 2006. Remember him, probably not, but that's exactly my point. Just because a player has a triple double at the Hoop Summit does not mean he's going to be the next best center like everyone thinks. I still would not pick him with a top 15 pick but if I had a late first round pick and needed a Center then I'd pick him in a heartbeat. Regardless though, scouts like him and so he will most likely be a lottery pick. Even though in my eyes he's a bust if he ends up being a lottery pick.

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As a Jazz fan, let me tell

As a Jazz fan, let me tell you they have the most question marks of any rebuilding team. They have talent but it is not clear who is the future at any particular position. They probably go big with the #6, either Jonas, Biyombo, or Kanter, whoever is available, because Jefferson and Favors are more PF's if you want to build a championship team. At #12 you look at the best wing available, probably Jones, Vesely, or Burks. With a small chance of the Jimmer if doesn't look completely hopeless in D during the workouts.

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if Jazz pick Alec Burks and

if Jazz pick Alec Burks and Jimmer Fredette they could have lineups with enough shooting.

first of all Milsap and Jefferson are not bad shooters for bigs and of course Okur is one of the best shooting bigman of all time, including a 3 point shooter.

at the 3 they will have always a shooter with Hayward and Bell working the position.

then if you have backcourt of Harris and Burks and you say it's not enough good shooting backcourt, you could add Okur as a big to provide shooting.

also if you want to go more defensive in the frontcourt with Favors, and you want more shooting you add Fredette as a guard.

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I still say that they get

I still say that they get someone with #6 and then get biyambo or terrence jones at #12 or trade #6 and raja for ricky rubio

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The Jazz have a few trade

The Jazz have a few trade options to look at including a nice $3.7 million team option they hold on CJ Miles and Okur is an expiring contract next year and the pick from NJ this year and the one due from GSW over the next few years more than balance out the picks they surrendered to get Al Jefferson.

They have a decent core going forward with Harris, Hayward,Favours and Jefferson along with the veterans and future draft picks and will surely now look to rebuild long term from a fairly decent position.

The need for a defensive C is there but with a fairly crowded frontcourt already they may not want to risk a high pick on a guy who may get lost in rotation.

Kanter would be value at 6th pick but a lot of people see him more as a PF. Valanciunas is now listed in this site's 2012 mock so I'll rule him out for this year. 12th would be a reach for Biyombo and Noguirea who I believe has declared would likewise be a reach and taking a European stasher would not help things immediately and they already have Ante Tomic's rights if they ever want to bring him over.

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The Jazz have a few trade

The Jazz have a few trade options to look at including a nice $3.7 million team option they hold on CJ Miles and Okur is an expiring contract next year and the pick from NJ this year and the one due from GSW over the next few years more than balance out the picks they surrendered to get Al Jefferson.

They have a decent core going forward with Harris, Hayward,Favours and Jefferson along with the veterans and future draft picks and will surely now look to rebuild long term from a fairly decent position.

The need for a defensive C is there but with a fairly crowded frontcourt already they may not want to risk a high pick on a guy who may get lost in rotation.

Kanter would be value at 6th pick but a lot of people see him more as a PF. Valanciunas is now listed in this site's 2012 mock so I'll rule him out for this year. 12th would be a reach for Biyombo and Noguirea who I believe has declared would likewise be a reach and taking a European stasher would not help things immediately and they already have Ante Tomic's rights if they ever want to bring him over.

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Kobyz first of alll Burks I

Kobyz first of alll Burks isnt even a shooter. I think you are undervaluing Vesely and how much better he would ft into Utah's offense. If the Jazz select him it gives them the oppurtunity to develop him behind Kirlelenko to be his future replacement, or replace Kirelenko this year due to the upcoming lockout and unknown relults of CBA disputes. Vesely learning by watching, practicing, and playing along with Kirelenko would be a great spot for him to develop.

Shooting role players can be found for a cheap price in the NBA and even within this draft with a late pick they could acquire a guy like Diebler. To have Vesely slip past them at 12,Utah is going to need more then that, and besides Vesely is not a bad shooter himself.

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i didn't say Burks is a

i didn't say Burks is a shooter, but he could develop that also, and for Utah case with the #6 pick you prefer someone who has big potential, i just think Burks could be an allstar and has talent to become a first option guy, Vesely is solid and more but with Utah already have future SF project in Hayward who is even more complete player than Vesely and with Utah looking for the big time player Burks should be the pick.

i put Fredette at #12 for Utah even if it a little high for him, i just feel it's important for them to get the local kid, also sentimental and marketing reasons but he also a good fit next to Burks and Harris, Burks and Fredette is a nice 3 guards rotation.

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What

What makes Burks a better prospect than CJ Miles, who has 5 years of experience in the Jazz system and roughly 45 pounds of muscle on the kid from Colorado?

Miles was also drafted as a combo guard, and he can handle and pass very well. His jumper is inconsistent, but better than Burks. He's a better defender than Burks. They both have poor shot-selections and they lack efficiency, so they share the same weaknesses.

I honestly don't understand why Jazz fans want to take Burks, when we could keep Miles for nearly the same price.

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I think we should take him

I think we should take him because he's the best sg in the draft. And thats what we need. C.J. is nice and no doubt their bringing him back next year, but we still need more depth. He could play back up sg behind Miles, With Hayward at the 3.He's young, can get way up,handle and pass. And from what I'm hearing A.K. might be gone also. So we might get even thinner on the wing. I would much rather have Brandon Knight, but he might be gone. If so grad Burkes at 6 Jimmer at 12.

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I've seen C.J. Miles play, I

I've seen C.J. Miles play, I really think he's a average shooting guard to be honest. Can he score? Yea, but I don't see the "we have to keep him" ability in him. I think he's upgradable. I think Heyward has played well at small forward and shooting guard. I think he's the future at SF. If I was Utah, I would do this trade Andre Iguodala and thier 18th pick for Al Jefferson and the 12th pick.

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I don't think Miles is a great shooting guard either. I'm asking what makes Burks any better? He's similar player to Miles at the same age, and he has the same strengths and weaknesses. Why should we waste a draft pick on him?

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If I was Utah, I would also do that trade. I'd give up the 6th and Jefferson for Iggy.

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Al Jefferson isn't getting

Al Jefferson isn't getting traded. He and Favors are the future along with Millsap as the 6th man. We would be way to thin on the inside. Just imagine if Favors grows an inch to 6 11, and puts on 15 pounds. Then he would be a center with legit size. It could happen he is the youngest player in the league. Then we could put big Al back at pf. Either way that's a nice 3 man rotation.

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Burks is elite slasher and amazing in the open floor!

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The difference between CJ Miles and Alec Burks

@NoMoney:

I think I've found the answer. CJ is more of a happy go lucky shooter. He looks to shoot and puts up a bunch of 3's. This has made fans and coaches a little unhappy. Just recently he has begun to pass more and looked to go inside first instead of pulling up from 3 all the time although at times he still reverts to his old friend, the 3 point shot and many times it fails him.

Burks on the other hand lets his offense come to him. Instead of just put up a million three's and hope they go in like Miles often does he using his superb passing skills to get his teammates involved. He and CJ do have some similarities in that both are slashers and like to attack the rim and they also about the same length (both are 6'6) and are pesky on the defenisve end in getting steals. But there are two main differences that I see. As I already mentioned Burks is first and foremost a passer. He plays alot like Gordon Hayward in that he is a little passive. Hayward earned a great reputation this season by playing within the Jazz's offense. I think Burks can develop into the same type of player. Miles on the other likes to create his own offense. While this is not a necessarily a bad characteristic to have, sometimes it works against him because his offense may be the opposite of what the Jazz are trying to do. This is one reason why Jerry Sloan always had a tough time starting CJ, but was always willing start Hayward and never wavered in that approach. Burks also can play both the SG and the PG, while Miles can play both the SG and the SF. He is not really a point guard and posseses very little point guard skills while Burks posesses a lot of them as he used to be a 6'4 PG entering college before he grew another 2 inches. The point guard skills stayed with him and allowed him to become the SG that he is today.

Those are two differences I see between Burks and Miles, but there is another reason why the Jazz should draft Burks and it is because of thier depth chart once AK leaves which I think is very possible and will undoubtedly happen.

Not only is AK a free agent but as you already know so is CJ Miles as well Ronnie Price, Earl Watson, Fransisco Elson and Krylyo Fesenko. I do not expect the Jazz retain AK, Watson, and Elson. CJ, Price and Fez all seem pretty easy to pick up their options and resign them as they will all not command much money. (I don't even know if Kyle Weaver will be coming back next season so I will leave him out of the following Depth Chart) That means that before the draft the Jazz's depth chart will look like this:

PG Devin Harris/Ronnie Price

SG: Raja Bell

SF: Gordon Hayward/CJ Miles

PF: Derrick Favors/Paul Millsap/Jeremy Evans

C: Al Jefferson/Kyrlyo Fesenko/Mehmet Okur/(possibly Ante Tomic if he comes over)

CJ Miles can switch over and help out at the 2 but the Jazz also want to rebuild which means Raja Bell will likely be traded leaving the Jazz with only one SG and one SF. Those are definitely the two biggest holes for the Jazz. They do have a small hole at Point but it can be dealt with later in the 2012 draft and the Jazz will survive. But if the Jazz do not fill their holes at SG and SF then they will be in deep trouble. That is why drafting a SG like Alec Burks as he is not only the best SG in this class but also the perfect SG for the Jazz's system as I stated above, and drafting a SF like Kawhi Leonard, or Terrance Jones is very important.

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If AK47 did leave then Utah

If AK47 did leave then Utah taking Burks and Vesley would be an ideal for Utah but it would probably need Burks to fall to 12 unless they could trade up a few places. I don't see Utah moving Al Jefferson given they gave up draft picks to sign him last summer and agree that if Favours could grow into the C role then Jefferson could move back to being a scoring PF which role he does best. Al Jefferson despite always putting up good stats has never really been on any team with great success so Utah have to figure out how to make it work with him in the roster rather like how Z-Bo has suddenly found his niche and helped bring success to Memphis despite putting up similar numbers on other teams with no success for nearly a decade.

With Hayward, there could be an option to play him at SG long term especially if they did take Vesley but with Vesley, Burks and Hayward you get flexability with all three guyas able to play a couple of positions each and thus they cover every position apart from C between them and the natural order would sort itself out in due course.

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If AK47 did leave then Utah

If AK47 did leave then Utah taking Burks and Vesley would be an ideal for Utah but it would probably need Burks to fall to 12 unless they could trade up a few places. I don't see Utah moving Al Jefferson given they gave up draft picks to sign him last summer and agree that if Favours could grow into the C role then Jefferson could move back to being a scoring PF which role he does best. Al Jefferson despite always putting up good stats has never really been on any team with great success so Utah have to figure out how to make it work with him in the roster rather like how Z-Bo has suddenly found his niche and helped bring success to Memphis despite putting up similar numbers on other teams with no success for nearly a decade.

With Hayward, there could be an option to play him at SG long term especially if they did take Vesley but with Vesley, Burks and Hayward you get flexability with all three guyas able to play a couple of positions each and thus they cover every position apart from C between them and the natural order would sort itself out in due course.

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