Who wants Al Jefferson?
Favors is looking like the beast everyone thought he could be. He put on 15lbs in the offseason, and dominated in his first preseason game. It looks like he could be starting at pf, or maybe c with Millsap at the 4 if Jefferson is traded. I know im flip flopping here but i think we need to trade Big Al. (you were right nomoney) We probably will keep Memo for the fact he will help our cap room alot with his big expiring contract at season end. And that he's a good role model for Kanter. (there both from Turkey) Tho he defenalty is expendable as well. Of course we want to give Kanter minutes at center and bring him along. Millsap has to much toughness and is to afforable to let go. So odd man out is Al Jefferson. Hes making alot of money and is lazy on defence. And is stuck as a small 5 or a slow 4. I think the offence has a much better flow without him. And we already have our pf and c of the future. Along with Millsap, thats a great 3 man rotation. I heard alot about maybe sending him to Philly for Iggy? I personally would love that trade. Any thoughts or any other possible trades?
Sorry to say, he is going to be hard to trade for value. He only has two years left on his deal, but this year is 14 mill and next year is 15! That is nuts! Especially for a guy that has yet to prove he can help your team get any other than mid to high lottery.
I have no idea why you would trade for him if you were the 76ers. You already have an overpaid big in Elton Brand, who makes even more money. If I were the 76ers, I would not be looking that far down the line as far as free agency. I want to get better, now. If you trade Iguodala for a bloated contract that will screw you over in 2012 free agency, I see zero sense in it. Especially considering that Elton Brand and Al Jefferson playing next to each other probably will be even less effective than Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson. You will not be bottom feeders, but you will not be contenders.
Think the best thing the Jazz could do would be to trade him for role guys, take a shot on any prospects that have the slightest upside or hope for some draft picks. My feeling is, the pickings are slim. I agree that Favors and Enes Kanter are absolutely the future, but what present team wants to take on Al Jefferson's contract? Who in the world thinks this guy is the missing link? Much less wants to give up value for the right to pay him exhorbitant dollars without any proof that his black hole offense and mediocre defense gets you anywhere?
To be honest, a straight up trade that might not be awful would be for Antawn Jamison in Cleveland. Utah dumps Al's salary and gets a guy that could potentially play either forward spot, freeing up time in the middle for the young'uns. Cleveland gets a make shift center and possibly gets a little better, but has to eat Al's deal for another year. All I will say is, if a team thinks Al Jefferson is the missing link, even they are probably passing on paying him what Minnesota agreed to in his ridiculous deal.
I have to disagree about Jefferson. He's only slightly overpaid.
He's a go-to post scorer, and there are very few of those around.
I think the rockets could get a decent package of young guys from a team like the Rockets. I think he could well be the missing piece for a team like the Thunder.
In any case, I'm thinking the Jazz will play Jefferson and Millsap big minutes in the hopes of trading them at the deadline
I am not saying that he is not a good player. He definitely has value as a low post scorer and at times he can have great games. But, he is a defensive liability for the most part. Plus, who do the Thunder give up for Al Jeff? Do the Jazz want anyone they would be willing to give up (mostly post players)? So, no go on that one.
The Rockets might be a possibility, but I just do not know what they would want to give up for him. I think it would be too much to give up a Kevin Martin and prospect for him. So, that cuts out a salary that is semi-comparable. Still, if they land Al, where are they going? He takes up 29 million over two seasons. That is not optimal for a team that relies on him as a leading scorer. He optimally would be a post option, rather than a go to guy.
I just feel that he has not been able to carry teams. Al is not a bad player, but I do not think you give very much up for him with expectations of getting better. Even Utah did not give very much up for him with expectations of at least equalling Boozer's impact, and while the stats may say he did, I think that Boozer was a better player during his time with the Jazz. He is a more efficient shooter at the very least and a better rebounder, much better passer and he has been associated with winning teams. If Al cost less money, or a team is desperate for a 4/5 and willing to pay luxury tax out of their @ss, than Al Jeff is the guy. If not, than I do not think you are willing to give too much up for him.
Agree that Cleveland would be the perfect spot for Jefferson but biased cause i'm from Cle. I like all your points on why he doesn't fit in Utah anymore and was hoping the Jazz would pass on Kanter so we could take him. As far as Jaminson for Jefferson your points on why it helps the jazz is made. Why it helps Cle is it gives them their first and only low post scoring option. Vareajo is all defense, Tristian thompson is raw, raw, raw, and thats about it. Cleveland has to figure out where it's gonna get its scoring from. The extra year of salary would be difficult though. Cle. has passed on deals so that they have crazy flexability next year (20 mil. under the cap) I could be wrong but doesn't utah have 2 first round picks again this year? Well if they don't want 2 more high priced rookies we could do a Jaminson and Sessions for Jefferson and the 2nd first rd. pick. You get jaminson's scoring and leadership plus he's in the final year of his deal and Sessions a pg who could start for a number of teams (ny, miami, lal, ) and at best would pass Harris and at the least compliment him. Or keep the pick and send us Burks. Cause Cle. needs wing help and bad and will be looking for a draft pick or player in any trade for Sessions/Jaminson
clippers would LOVEEEE him. they got too many PGs and no back-up bigs, if jefferson or millsap is fine coming off the bench
Why wouldn't the Clippers take a flier on him? Mo Williams, Randy Foye, and Eric Bledsoe for Jefferson. Sure the Jazz would have a logjam at the guard spot, but ig Alec Burks isn't ready yet, than they might be looking to aquire some Guards. And just Bledsoe and Williams for Millsap would also work, so I don't see why the Clips aren't looking to get a guy like Millsap or Jefferson, cause if you have Millsap, not only does he get the 15-18 of Butler's leftover minutes, he would get the 10 of Blake's and some of DeAndre's. He would end up being a big help off the bench.
"I know im flip flopping here but i think we need to trade Big Al. (you were right nomoney)"
But like mikeyv mentioned, I don't think there's much of a market for him. It wouldn't take much more than cap space to entice the Jazz to part ways with Big Al.
Al Jefferson to Charlotte for Boris Diaw, DJ Augustin and a conditional second round pick.
Utah saves a lot of money and creates financial flexibility for themselves next year (they'll be at least $21 million dollars under the cap next year with this deal, without having to use their amnesty). The Bobcats get a post scorer that at least kind of makes sense with what they're expecting from Biyombo and Thomas, while moving Augustin to fully commit to Kemba Walker at the point. Worst-case scenario, Jefferson fills room in the post until 2013 when Biyombo and Mullens are more likely to be ready for more minutes.
How about Jefferson for Daye + Gordon? Detroit unloads Gordon's contract which is longer than Al's and Gordon is far less productive. Daye is a decnt prospect that equalizes the trade by giving the Jazz height and a 3 point shot from the SF position.
How about this deal?
Pistons- Get a young big man in Jordan Hill who may pair well with Monroe.
Rockets- Get their big man in Al Jefferson and backups at the 2 and 3.
Jazz- Great depth at the 1-2-3, while freeing up space for their young bigs. Also, gets cap space to potentially go after a max FA next year like........wait for it........Deron Williams! Wouldn't that be a big suprise? I doubt thatll happen, but if this team shows that they have potential, especially their bigs, where else can offer a better opportunity for him with a max deal? If NJ guts whats left of their team for D12, I dont think thats enough to win it all in this league.
I had to admit when i was wrong haha. But ya i do like your trade idea also.
Al Jeff is only 26 years old and would prob be an all-star in the east. Sure Favors looks good but Kanter is still unproven - he has not played an official regular season game.
Imagine if the pistons dumped Ben Wallace when they drafted Darko as the was "the future" - you have to wait a season or two to see how kanter works out
Jefferson is a perfect fit for the Rockets, but why trade him? Favors is the perfect defensive complement to Jefferson. At least see what you have with the duo together. Millisap is the more likely guy to go, I'd say. Easier contract to move, more versatile in role.
The Jazz are 8-4 with Al Jeff and Millsap getting most of the minutes...
They've only beat three teams currently seeded in the playoffs, and one them was Cleveland.
I'm happy the Jazz are winning games (even though most have been at home against crappy teams), and Al Jefferson is putting up solid numbers, but he does not play a winning brand of basketball. He proved last year that he is ineffective as anything but a first option, and that severly limits his teams' potential. He's still a terrible passer out of double teams and a mediocre defender overall.
Utah impressed me with their win tonight, but I would be really surprised if they managed to make the playoffs this year. Hope I'm wrong.