IMO, we have really started to see players for what they really are and not for what they were in HS... Personaly, for the NBA, I love the rule.. Nobody has drafted a player that they thought was going to be great because of HS production..
Wheather they are seeing these players in the D-League, Eurobasketball, or college basketball, GMs are getting to see a real measure of a players talents..
What do you all think of the rule 4 years out??
I think they should do two seasons. I think some guys who come out are usually for the money. I think right now, alot of guys come out and they aren't ready. In the 4 years, I think we can find guys who weren't ready for the pros and struggled.
IMO, here are the guys every year who came out and wasn't ready
- Cedric Simmons
- Shawne Williams
- Kyle Lowry
- Marcus Williams
- Branden Wright
- Spencer Hawes
- Julian Wright
- Javaris Crittenton
- Deaquan Cook
- Joe Alexander
- Anthony Randolph
- Darell Arthur
- Kosta Koufos
- DeAndre Jordan
2009 ( STILL VERY EARLY THOUGH)
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Austin Daye
- James Johnson
- Byron Mullens
Again, most of those guys came out for money and their stock was at a all time high
I agree with the 2 season rule.. We still have guys like BJ Mullens, Keith Gallon, and others who leave early and clearly arent ready.. However, most people on this site dont agree witht that...
The system worked for years when no rules were in place because all players tended to go to college until recent years. We then saw a huge amount of guys who maybe were not what they were cracked up to be drafted straight from HS but would these players have become better if they had spent one or more years in the NBA I don't know. The concern was that teams were generally drafting players who maybe were not emotionally mature enough to deal with the NBA in my opinion so the rule was changed.
Although you may have seen better teams drafting a HS guy in the later first round for every Kobe Bryant there were a load of busts. Personally I feel that it should be the players' decision but often those who want to declare may be the guys who may have issues and are not from a more comfortable background for example like Joakim Noah and Austin Rivers who have no need to start pushing for a contract and can enjoy college life if they want.
I don't know how the players' Union feels about this as although they would want the freedom for players to decide, keeping players in college a year or so extra maybe extends some of their members playing careers. It will no doubt be discussed in the CBA and we all know that David Stern has said his prefered option is two years removed from HS or 20 years old I believe. Whilst this may not be at the top of the CBA issues, I could see Stern maybe looking to push it through if the players get a favourable deal as this is likely to be his last CBA as Commissioner.
I think it's on the player not the NCAA to prevent them from going out early. If a player thinks they are one and done material and they aren't it's their decision as adults to make that. I don't mind the one year out rule because it gives a player who may want to start their professional career after high school the option to go overseas or play in the D-League, but if a guy who isn't ready like Gallon or Tommy Mason Griffin lets an agent or his ego convince him to go pro when they aren't after one year, thats on them as an adult.
If a guy majoring in business wants to drop out after his freshman year and start his own business it's not the university's or anyone elses' responsibility to make him go back for one more year. The NBA is a career, and some players make poor business decisions just like some people make poor career choices. I think it's on the player not the NBA if they fail.
Most of the time, the reason that parents make important decisions for their kids is because kids will make a lot of wrong choices..
Put it to a kid like this and see what they choose..
Would you rather keep going to school or get paid now.. Most kids are going to try to get paid now... Agents are some of the worst things you can expose a child to.. When the kid gets paid, the agents gets paid.. Of course they are going to tell the kid "You are ready to be a NBA player today!" because that means "Money, money, money, MONEY!"
And they always say this, and I have heard it with my own ears..
"Even if you are a bust, you will get that big pay check and have enough money to go to college.. I dont see that happening but if it does, you have the money to go!"
How often do you hear of NBA busts going back to school?? Hardly ever...
I think that Stern has to protect his league by making sure that he is paying mature MEN to represent him.. Not kids...
I love the 2 year rule because even those guys that were mentioned coming out early, people knew what they were getting more or less... If they didnt, its not because they didnt get to see them against great competiton, its because they didnt do their homework..
Actually I would hate to see them let HS prospects into the league now, because it would get too ridiculous with everyone wanting to come out. I understand the '04 class because that was Elite as well as the '07 class would have been also. But come on man look how many kids nowadays are getting more & more exposure & hyped up as prospects.
Ask yourself this if the rule was never implemented how many HS prospects would have declared from '06 until now & how many prospects would declare from this '11 class. There are a lot of players in college that are blossoming right now that would never had the chance that they are getting now due to HS kids making the jump. It was quite a few kids who put the name on the early entry list in '05 because they knew they were the last of the dying breed.
I love the college game now for what it's worth, because now you can know if a HS prospect was all hype or he has the true understanding of the game to move along to the next level. Prime example Harrison Barnes was the #1 prospect in his class, he had a bad start at the begginning. Now if he would have made the jump & had that bad start everyone would have said he was a Kwame Brown & that he should have went to college.
I am all for HS players being able to go pro, because at 18 you can fight a war. Again it would be a terrible thing to bring the rule back for these kids that are in HS now which has too much hype. If they want to go pro so bad, they should be able to go the D-League route for 1 year no matter their age long as it was within their HS graduating class, rather then having to be 1-year removed from HS & 19 years of age.
For our own personal gain we would like to see them stay in 2,3,4 years. But From a players prospective i think they should come out of H.S if they want. The stats show that way more players do well in the NBA straight out of H.S then the ones that don't. Talent eventually rises so if they are ment to be good NBA players they will eventually become good players. If they are ment to be average i believe that going to college or straight from H.S wont make a difference
What are your thoughts on these who did not pan out.......
- Korleone Young
- Leon Smith
- Ousmane Cisse
- Tony Key
- DeAngelo Collins
- Lenny Cooke
- Ndubi Ebi
- James Lang
- Jackie Butler
- Gerald Green
- Ricky Sanchez
- Keith Brumbaugh
All werent good enough to stick in the League but good enough to make 6 figures plus. I think thats very good. too many people think if you don't make the NBA its the end of all but europe offers so much that its not a failure not to make it in the NBA. And staying in college doesn't prove much because you can make a list 5 times longer of guys who stayed too long and stocked dropped and ended up not getting drafted or guys who stayed four years and still didnt make it
My dude none of those players I listed went to college.
I want to see your stats... Because here are mine...
There have been 42 players drafted straight out of HS...
8 have been All-Stars
3 have been MVPs
And since 1995, 39 players have come straight from HS..
17 were drafted in the lottery...
Of those 17, 3 are out of the NBA...
7 are starters...
IDK but to me that doesnt look like "Way more players" doing well out of HS... I see more players sitting on a bench or out of the league...
Because of the 39 that came out after 1995, 13 are starters, 13 are bench players, and 13 are out of the league
I see no real reason from a players perspective why it should exist. I also see why owners and the league in general must love it, and I think it probably ends up saving a number of GM's jobs. I call it a guilty pleasure, because I do not believe it does much good for these players, but I love seeing them for even one year in college. Not only does it make college basketball more competitive, as many drafts were sucking out prime HS talent, but with that extra year, they become more ready to contribute in the NBA.
Here is where many people differ with me, but I know I have some followers. Personally, I feel that if you were to go out of HS to the NBA, you would be better than if you had spent a year in college. Maturity and maybe the more disciplined approach of college life definitely is beneficial, but not as beneficial as playing against NBA talent day after day, even if it is more in practice than in games. But, what I do like seeing is that players do have a year to develop their bodies, minds and games, which I think makes them more ready to contribute in general. Going to or staying in college may change your situation as far as role or draft position, but it ultimately does not effect whether or not you would be able to play in the NBA. You are either good enough, or you are one of the players fighting for that last spot, and better believe those are some good players too. Still, the thing I like about having a post HS year before going into the NBA is that you have rookies contributing at a higher level than if they were to come straight out of HS. Imagine if KG, LeBron, Kobe, Dwight and others had a year before they came into the league? They more than likely would have had much better rookie seasons than they did out of HS, even if they were not bad as is. That is why I think the rule is cool, I like seeing players more ready to contribute rather than having what was usually a big adjustment year.
While I do agree that it is great we get to see their talent measured against better comp than they were seeing in HS and that it makes it easier to evaluate players, I will say that if anything HS players were usually underdrafted. If you look through the players drafted out of HS, some were drafted much lower than they should have been. KG should have been 1st, he went 5th. Kobe, Jermaine, T-Mac, Al Harrington and Rashard Lewis were definitely drafted much lower than they should have been. Kwame Brown and DeSagana Diop were bad picks, but 2001 was a fairly weak draft as well, with the first two teams obviously having no knowledge of Pau Gasol. Than, go on to 2002, 2003 and 2004, you have some guys definitely undervalued. 2002 had Amare go 9th, 2003 had Travis Outlaw and Kendrick Perkins, than 2004 had Al Jefferson, Josh Smith and JR Smith. Shaun Livingston was more of a freak injury than anything, otherwise he probably would have been a nice PG by now. 2005 had GEMS in that second round in Monta Ellis, Lou Williams and Andray Blatche. For second round picks, they were incredible value. My point is, HS players were definitely not ruining GM's jobs for choosing them, they were probably ruined more for passing on them.
Finally, Knicksboy, I think you are right in that the "2 year rule" might have better prepared some of those players for the league. But, looking at your list, which I know is just of players you think should have stayed in school, do you really think they would have become better NBA talents by staying in school or just have been more ready to play? Odds are, most of those guys would have been around the same pick range unless something drastic were to take place, but they are almost all very marginal players in the NBA, and I do not think college would have made them much more than that. Do you think if Thabeet stays one more year in college he is going to magically develop a post game offensively? Is BJ Mullens going to do the same thing? They more than likely would have improved on their statistics, but still been right at about the same level. When you are young, you have more than likely not come close to your physical peak, so if you play it will more than likely develop greatly over every single year. But, to me, those guys playing in college might have made them more ready to play, but it would not have made them better players than they are right now. My opinion, but people here seem to think NBA players get no coaching on fundamentals, when I think they get all of the same coaching, just against much better, faster, stronger competition.
I would like to see the rule where you can go pro out of high school or must stay in school for 3 years. I just think it gives those kids a better chance to get a degree. Also gives coaches a better idea of their personel with less turnover and would really make the game of college hoops that much better.
i never said they went to college. What are you talking about?..I said they made good money even though they didnt go to college then stated that a list can be made of guys that went to college and didn't pan out just like those guys. Actually most on the college list would show they even made less money overseas or couldnt stick overseas
I just realized you might have been talking about the other list that was posted before mine.
I think most of you are looking at one side of things. For example if you 6-9 in college you play the post, where in the NBA you might be a wing player and you develop out of position. In that example it hurts a players development to go to college. I think a better solution is to take away the college rule altogether and develop a better D-league system like baseball has.
I have heard people talk about "if a kid wants to work, let them work.." I agree but name me 2 other jobs, not professional sports, that do not require a college degree and the starting pay is $450,000?? There arent any.. Let HS kids work just like all people out of HS have to work.. Here in WV, people who dont go to college and want big moeny right away, work in the coal mines.. That is one of the few jobs that pay close to 100,000 that doesnt require a college degree... And a bench player in the NBA gets more than 4 times that much..
Also, BJ Mullens is probably going to get phased out of the NBA before long... If he stayed at Ohio State and played with Evan Turner and possibly won a National Championship, I believe that he would have been a much better player and would have been much more prepared for the NBA.. Now, he is a fringe player and a D-League guy.. He will end up going to Europe to play.. He could have done that right after HS...
Hasheem Thabeet is going to get phased out of the NBA also, at least if he would have stayed in college, he would have learned to work hard and imporved that body.. Now, forever, he is going to be ranked by his draft position and damned for it..
But what about college would have Made B.J a much better player?..Yes he would have went higher because the team would have went further but what would have made him better?
He would get more personal instruction and play against better players in a NBA practice and D leauge
He would play More PF were as in college he would have played more Center
With Thabeet what in college would have made him work harder and improve his body? He didnt do it the first two years and still played well so what would have changed in one more year that would have made him change what he had been doing? I think you are what you are and you will become what you will become no matter what path you pick.
In college you dont get as much one on one time with a trainer as you do in the Pro's. Most times players also don't realize what they need to work on because what they are doing gets them where they need to go so they dont need to work on a back up move. And then you have those who do work on it and when there go to move doesn't work or the game gets close they revert back to the moves that got them where they are.
8thdeadlysin, I think your assuming that these players would have developed nobody knows if they would have or not. I think thabeet was a junior I just think he was a bust regardless if he would have gone back for his senior season. Also the NBA spends a lot of money on developing there players a lot more than college does, sometimes the players just aren't going to make it.
I think that BJ would have definatly been a better player... Also, i dont see him as a PF.. He is a C that can score... Not a PF...
Well then give me an example of a player with NBA potiental that went to college and it hurt him?? Then, ask your self this, did it hurt him or expose him?
The thing is you can't say for sure one way or another. If a player goes straight to the pro's from H.S who knows if he would have developed or if he went from College to the NBA.
Now as far as examples i can think of a few
Jarrod Ward. He was projected to be a top 2 pick. Lamar Odom type game
Maruice Taylor same way.
And its the same thing " if it hurt them or exposed them" Every player who's stock was hurt by going to college was hurt because they got exposed correct??
Greg Oden (#1-Raptors)
Kevin Durant (#2-Bulls-obvious picks.)
Brandan Wright (#9-Golden State Warriors-say it is high, still a better pick than Patrick O'Bryant)
Spencer Hawes (#10-Seattle Supersonics)
Thaddeus Young (#12-New Orleans Hornets)
I think these 5 were it, though a few more possibilities. These include: Darrell Arthur, Gerald Henderson, Wayne Ellington, Javaris Crittenton, Chase Budinger, Daequan Cook, Lopez's, Hasheem Thabeet. But, call me crazy, but I think that those 5 would be the only ones to enter, though maybe time has thrown me off. It would be hard to believe that the only players who entered would go lottery, so I am sure there would be others, though I am sure you will all agree with me that going to college and being drafted when they were able to better contribute was a good call for a number of these players.
Tons, by the way.
Derrick Rose (#1-Portland Trail Blazers. Some may say he was not the #1 prospect at the time, but I had him as #1 and I was not alone. I am guessing he still goes 1)
Michael Beasley (#2-Seattle Supersonics. Remember, we are basing this off of HS players entering the year before. No Kevin Durant for these guys, he is a Bull. Also, the picks would more than likely be radically different, but I am just going by who had them.)
OJ Mayo (#4-Memphis Grizzlies. Right After Horford)
Eric Gordon (#7 Minnesota Timberwolves)
Kevin Love (#8-Charlotte Bobcats)
DeAndre Jordan (#10-Sacramento Kings)
Donte Greene (#12-Philadelphia 76ers)
Kosta Koufos (#17- New Jersey Nets. Not all of these picks would have been good picks, though between he and Sean Williams, who knows)
Bill Walker (#18-Golden State Warriors)
Herb Pope (#39-Miami Heat)
Other possibilities: Kyle Singler (Probably not, but I am guessing he would have gone top 20), Patrick Patterson, JJ Hickson, Jerryd Bayless, Nick Calathes, Gani Lawal, James Harden, Blake Griffin (though I think he was leaning towards college), James Johnson, Anthony Randolph ('s Potential)
Would have been a much worse draft. With all the previous high schoolers having been taken, and with the 2008 HS class being much weaker at the top, wow. The first pick would be a conundrum. Russell Westbrook would be the highest player drafted from the class who had not entered via HS, followed by Gallinari, Augustin and Lopez. Was Russell Westbrook at the time considered a better prospect than some of the HS players? My signs would be, no.
Brandon Jennings (#1-Chicago Bulls. Difficult. It very well could have been Westbrook. Keep in mind, the chances of the Bulls having this pick with Durant/Noah and whoever they choser at 2 the previous year is super slim. But, I am sure people would salivate if they picked Westbrook to go along with the previous people I mentioned. I do not see it happening that way though. Jennings was the #1 in the class, and I think he or Evans likely would have gone ahead of Russell Westbrook.)
Greg Monroe (#2-Miami Heat. Heat get a big man to team with Wade, one with a ton of upside.)
Jrue Holliday (#3-Minnesota Timberwolves. Hear is where I actually think I might not be crazy. Yes, it seems farfetched that HS guys would have gone 1-2-3, especially guys who are not even on the level of Russell Westbrook. But, look at the time when this draft was happening. I do not think I was alone in people expecting Jrue Holliday to be just as good if not better than Russell at UCLA. His freshman year was slightly disappointing, but he looked like a potential killer. I am confident that he indeed would have likely gone in front of Russell. After all, I am trying to look at what would have happened without using hindsight)
Tyreke Evans (#5-Memphis Grizzlies. He could have gone higher, but I am guessing that the Bulls and Wolves would have been dying for a true PG and that the Heat had little confidence in Evans ability to play point next to D-Wade. So, he plays with Rudy Gay, makes for a very interesting duo)
DeMar DeRozan (#7 LA Clippers-Pick the hometown kid.)
Al-Farouq Aminu (#8-Milwaukee Bucks)
Devin Ebanks (#11-Indiana Pacers)
Samardo Samuels (#19-Cleveland Cavaliers)
BJ Mullens (#15-Phoenix Suns. Could have gone higher. He was big and athletic, I think people saw a future star in the making, a la Robert Swift.)
Delvon Roe (#23-Utah Jazz)
Other possibilities: Ed Davis, Scotty Hopson, Ty Walker, J'mison Morgan, Luke Babbitt, William Buford, Chris Singleton, Iman Shumpert, Tyler Zeller, Michael Dunigan, Willie Warren, Latavious Williams, Drew Gordon, Ater Majok
John Wall (#2-Memphis Grizzlies. Could have been a battle between he and Blake Griffin, who may have entered and been the first pick in the year previous, but I will say he did his monsterous sophomore season at Oklahoma. Wall on the other hand, depletes Kentucky's hopes at having anywhere close to their 2009 NCAA season. Coach Cal's class would have been different, that is for sure.)
Derrick Favors (#3-Oklahoma City Thunder. I say he would have gone ahead of Harden as they were looking for big guys to build around without having chosen Durant. He and Westbrook would likely be this teams future core.)
DeMarcus Cousins (#4-Sacramento Kings. Same questions about conditioning and maturity, but his talent would be too much to pass up.)
John Henson (#6-Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah, he is skinny as all hell, and he had a tough freshman year, but they took Eric Gordon before, would probably still have taken Rubio and see him as a PF with tons of potential. I think they take him over Johnny Flynn, but that is just me)
Xavier Henry (#7-Golden State Warriors. Some time would have fallen in love with him, and I think the Warriors might have even, dare I say, bypassed Curry to take him? We know this would not be the right pick, but I could easily see it happening. New York than would have either taken Curry or Flynn)
Renardo Sidney (#10-Milwaukee Bucks. Again, questions about conditioning and attitude, but I feel his talent and size might have still made him go lotto out of HS)
"Born Ready" Lance Stephenson (#11-New Jersey Nets. Might be reaching very high for Lance, but he was an intriguing prospect. Still, chances are he would not have gone this high, but it only takes one team to fall in love with him, and this was before his inconsistent freshman year at St. John's.)
Avery Bradley (#16-Chicago Bulls)
Daniel Orton (#17-Philadelphia 76ers)
Mouphtauo Yarou (#24-Dallas Mavericks)
Keith Gallon (#27-Memphis Grizzlies)
Other possibilities: Kenny Boynton, Jordan Hamilton, Wally Judge, Alex Oriakhi, Tommy Mason-Griffin, Thomas Robinson
Harrison Barnes (#1-Washington Wizards. The NBA probably would not have felt differently than any other analyst. He looked like the most complete prospect going into this year.)
Perry Jones III (#3-New Jersey Nets)
Enes Kanter (#4-Minnesota Timberwolves)
Kyrie Irving (#5-Sacramento Kings)
Jared Sullinger (#7-Detroit Pistons)
Fab Melo (#8-LA Clippers. I know. Sorry Clippers fans.)
Terrence Jones (#10-Indiana Pacers)
Tobias Harris (#12-Memphis Grizzlies)
Josh Selby (#15-Milwaukee Bucks)
Tristan Thompson (#17-Chicago Bulls)
Brandon Knight (#18-Miami Heat)
Tony Mitchell (#19-Boston Celtics)
Jelan Kendrick (#22- Minnesota Timberwolves)
CJ Leslie (#24-Atlanta Hawks)
Other possibilities: Cory Joseph, Jereme Richmond, Will Barton, Patric Young, DeShaun Thomas, Reggie Bullock
The league would be radically different, that is for sure. THunder and Bulls fans should be so thankful for the age limit. High School players would just keep going higher and higher, it would be common place for them to be lottery picks. I tried to do this with keeping the newly reconstructed teams in mind. Therefore, everyone picked would be on that new team and not eligible for the draft that next year. Hence the Bulls picking Jennings. I think all in all, the age limit has been beneficial to teams abilities to judge prospects. Also, the extra year makes the players more physically ready to contribute immediately.
I can name several players who dominated college and couldn't make it in the pros.
So because of the "1 and Done" rule I never have to see a terrible team, looking for that star player, draft Paul Harris to change their franchise...
Now, Harris goes to Cuse and shows that he has no skill other than a 40 inch vert and I dont have to watch him destroy the Clipper franchise again..
I say Clippers becasue it would end up happening to them.. It always does..
If the NBA is going to force players to have atleast one year of college under their belts before being eligible for the draft, then the NBA should have also done the right thing and insisted that the NCAA pay players on their teams. Scholarships are not enough compared to what these players actually bring in dollar wise for these schools. Most NCAA guys are not on scholarships anyways. I read today that Coach K makes close to 4 mil anually plus another 2 or so million for speaking engagments, radio, wins etc etc. If the NCAA can afford to pay college coaches that much then they surely can afford to give these young players a base salary with incentives. If your team wins its division, makes the tourny etc. It doesn't need to be alot but it is the right thing to do and might encourage some players to act like pro's when they hit college. This should be the same thing for NCAA football. It also might help some of these players avoid some of the sticky situations they get themselves into through no fault of their own. These guys are still kids and you have powerful well dressed men saying take this, do this, sign here etc etc.
I think its unfair for the NBA to have it both ways. You don't trust your own talent evaluations and you take away equal opportunities to protect your owners... sort of like the main issue of the NBA CBA and the apparent run on salaries this past decade because if I don't sign player A at this outrageous salary another GM will. I agree that every player should have to go to college to mature and become more seasoned so GM's can really get a feel for who they will be (or won't) but if the NBA is getting something out of this rule (monetarily speaking) then players should get something aswell.
I want to hear about these players that have dominated but never made it in the NBA.. Are you talking about dominate as a part of a system where they took the shots? Or do you mean dominated like Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony dominated??
So because of guys coming straight out of H.S teams have been terrible?..How you figure?
What does the players dominating college have to do with the H.S to pro's rule? You made a list of players you felt should have went to college but you only put one side of the coin. The other side are players that ended up being average or stars. No different then players who went to college, played very well and either made it or didnt make it in the NBA
The stats show that way more players do well in the NBA straight out of H.S then the ones that don't.
But that's a small group IMO. People bring that up, but don't talk about the Martell Websters or C.J. Miles or even Desanga Diops in that group either. I think there are dozens of guys who can come out from HS and do well, but some need the seasoning of college.
Would Kevin Durant be the superstar he is today without at least a season of college? I don't know for sure. It helped, I would say that.
Jermaine O' Neal pretty much lived on the bench his first 2-3 seasons, would have been better off in college?
I think im kinda understanding what you're asking. You're asking what guys were considered NBA talent and dominated in college but didnt make it in the NBA. But that answer doesn't have anything to do with you're opinion that college helps guys become better players. All that does is just prove one side of the debate but leaves out the other side which is guys who were considered NBA talents out of H.S but didnt make it in the NBA after playing college basketball
This is a few of thousands more who dominated in college but couldn't make it in the league.
Marcus Fizer, Iowa St.
A. J. Guyton, Indiana
Courtney Alexander, Fresno St Mateen Cleaves, Michigan St.
Scoonie Penn, Ohio St.
Stromile Swift, LSU Juan Dixon, Maryland Dan Dickau, Gonzaga
Steve Logan, Cincinnati
Jason Williams, Duke
Sam Clancy, Southern California
Casey Jacobsen, Stanford
Hollis Price, Oklahoma
Jason Gardner, Arizona
Lawrence Roberts, Mississippi
Julius Hodge, North Carolina St.
Andre Emmett, Texas Tech
Blake Stepp, Gonzaga
I never said none of the guys I listed should have went to college. I listed those who did not pan out or got drafted.
But who's to Say C.J or Webster would have done well enough in college in order to make it in the NBA. See thats the thing these are questions that can't be answered. There are examples of those who made it and those who didn't
Thunder i think he ment guys who were already considered strong NBA prospects out of H.S
Juan Dixon wasnt nor was Steve Logan. But if he wasn't talking about that then you make a very good point
Please add Troy Bell to your list
But who's to Say C.J or Webster would have done well enough in college in order to make it in the NBA. See thats the thing these are questions that can't be answered. There are examples of those who made it and those who didn't
And that's the big thing. I think your looking at it from the players stance (which is respectable, being a former player). I'm looking at it from a NBA stance. I think if I was a GM and Owner, the idea of getting a HS talent who potentially be the next big thing is great, but to me, I would like to see them in college because I think it's a level people should at least have a season in college. The bigger questions are
- What's the talent gap between college and high school? My guess is it's a little big
- What can we determine by going a year?
I always look at it from both ways. I think they should have the option to go though and the Owners have the same option to draft them or not. People may say they aren't ready but the same can be said for other guys who went to college , and the solution for that is to send them down to the D-Leauge to develop them..
As far as a fan i would love to see them go to college and stay all four years because that would make college basketball more exciting but i don't feel they should be forced to do so. The hard part is knowing which guys are Kobe,K.G ready and which ones are Leon Smith, Gereld Green not ready.
Lake Show i agree with you 100. I will say this I do like the results of the 1 year rule but I dont feel it is fair. Scouts and Gm's get paid a lot of money. I feel like they do a terrible job and most of the time gamble and hope it pans out. Anybody can do that. Also I know a lot of child actors that are richer than NBA players. The guy that starred in Harry Potter is filthy rich. He may have just turned legal. Lil Romeo sucked in college but he had millions of dollars that DeRozan didnt have.
I said "there arent MANY" not "there arent ANY"
Yes I know from an NBA and basketball fan perspective it's a fun rule. However, if you have the faintest belief in academics and freedom of choice, you must oppose this rule 100%!
One and Done players take only Phys Ed courses in the fall semester, and then it doesn't matter what they take in the spring semester because they can drop out of school as soon as the NCAA tournament ends. Talk about hypocrisy!
And from a freedom of choice perspective this is America. Nobody can stop a high school graduate from applying for any job he wants and/or joining our fighting forces. If a high school kid thinks he's good enough to play in the NBA, let him go for it. If he fails, that's his problem.
Actually, there are thousands of jobs that tell a HS kid he cant apply because he doesnt have a degree... Thousands!!! It isnt the kids choice to decide where he works.. It is the Employeer's choice...
This is America where you do have a freedom of choice and you can choose to leave and work in Europe for a year or 2 or you can go to college... Thousands and thousands of jobs require college or professional experience... Just like the NBA does....
You missed the point, you're confusing the final decision by the employer with his rights and freedom. A high school kid can apply for any job he wants. Whether someone decides to hire him without a degree is the Employer's decision. Nonetheless, he still has the right and option to apply.
It's the same thing with the NBA, a kid should have the right to apply for the draft if that's what he wants in life. Most kids in that position have zero interest in a college education anyway.
A high school computer whiz can apply for a job at IBM or Google, and if he's an extraordinary talent in that area, I bet he would be hired without a degree. Use that same analogy for the NBA.
But see, he can apply... He just doenst get the job until he is 2 years removed... He can play in the D-League when he wants... He can do that...
Think of it as being a burger boy for a year and after your year, you can be promoted to cashier... Or whatever you want to say..
All kids have the option to play in the D-League... He isnt saying " YOU CANT PLAY IN THE NBA!" he is saying "you cant play in the NBA yet.."
You still don't get it. A high school computer whiz can apply for a job at IBM or Google. He's not required to apply first at Wal Mart and prove he's a mathematical genius the next two years. Why is this so hard for you to see and understand?
Why should a high school kid's only option be the minor leagues?
LoL.. Its not his only option... College and EuroBasketball are also there...
Also, its not like working at Wal-Mart then IBM... Those 2 have nothing in common... It is like playing basketball in the 8th grade before you can play in HS... That is just how it is some places...
Some states let 7th and 8th graders play with their HS teams but others dont.. Well, other countries let 17 and 18 year old kids play with their professionals, but here in America, you cant...
That is why the NBA is the best professional league in the world... No kids playing with our Pros...