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Who starts if both in camp: Flynn or Rubio?

Who do you think wins the starting point job in minny if both players show up to camp?


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Flynn. hes more nba ready.

Flynn. hes more nba ready.

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Who knows?

You would have to see who plays better head to head. I like Flynn when its all said and done.

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flynn should take it

flynn should take the startin job he is more ready for the nba

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Hands down Johnny Flynn

Hands down Johnny Flynn get's the start out of the Gate, but It's Rubios job ultimately.

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Ultimately

it'll be Flynn, he'll be ready to come in and do what he's been doing in college. Rubio will take a while if he even comes over. They are a weird team with two Power Forwards like Al and Love and two Point Guards like Rubio and Flynn. They don't have a center nor do they have a shooting guard. Their SF isn't that great either. Minny is in a real dilemma with their situation, hopefully free agency is kind to them. Flynn is their starter though.

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No question. Jonny Flynn!! the next CP3

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Jonny Flynn

This guy will be a superstar. I guarantee it.

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Who ends up starting on this

Who ends up starting on this team period?

Flynn - Brewer - Carney - Love - Jefferson

with Rubio, Ellington, Gomes, Smith, Thomas having worthwhile numbers off the bench?

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PG- Flynn SG- Brewer SF-

PG- Flynn
SG- Brewer
SF- Gomes
PF- Love
C- Jefferson

The TWolves will be back in the lottery next year no doubt with a top 5 pick more than likely.

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Why cant they both be

Why cant they both be starters? That was the plan when they were drafted. Couldn't Rubio guard the SG but play the PG and Flynn guard the PG and play the SG? Then they would have two lock down defenders along with 2 great playmakers starting in their back court. Also, they could have to great big men with Jefferson playing center because he is a great "back to the basket" player and Love is a great complement because he has some range. The three guard, possibly Brewer, Carny, or even Ellington, needs to be able to shoot off the catch with some range and play defence. My guess would be Brewer. All in all, they are going to be a YOUNG team. Meaning that they have room to try new things. I have always been a fan of a 2 PG backcourt. It just makes some sence having two play makers. IDK, thats just me. Bright future that may be in the present if one of these rookie PGs can be poised. Jefferson was a borderline allstar before he got hurt and his game wasnt really based on athletic ability. He will be back to form, Love will be a better player this year because of the year of expreince. Lots of options at SF with a couple guys trying to play SG and a great young tandum of PGs. Look out 2013. These guys are gonna be good.

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Flynn, to the Blazers for

Flynn, to the Blazers for Outlaw, Bayless, Mills, and the rights to Joel Freeland why? because Rubio and Bayless can play at the same time.

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You're crazy

Dude, as a Blazer fan that is just a ridiculous trade on our part. Bayless is going to have a better career than Johnny Flynn. Not to mention that Travis Outlaw is a good scorer coming off the bench. TERRIBLE TRADE. TERRIBLE IDEA!

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Minnesota would definitely

Minnesota would definitely do that trade.

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im not sure if Portland

im not sure if Portland would do it but i hope they would.

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They will both start at the

They will both start at the same time and will become a fast break team starters flynn, rubio, gomes, love, jefferson

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how bout Outlaw, and

how bout Outlaw, and Bayless, straight up? Bayless will be good but he doesnt fit Mcmilans style i think Flynn could be an all-star.

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How about

How about no in general? Bayless doesn't fit Mcmillians style? Hmmm...I disagree. Bayless has a chance to become a lock down defender (something Flynn will never be). Mcmillian loves players that play good defense. Not to mention that Bayless has way more size and strength.

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if Bayless did fit Mcmillans

if Bayless did fit Mcmillans style he would have played him. i just dont think he likes Bayless very much.

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He's a rookie?

Yeah, not all rookies are perfect.

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I don't see Bayless as a

I don't see Bayless as a true PG. He seems like a great combo hybrid guard. The Blazers need a true PG like Flynn.

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i just dont think hell

i just dont think hell amount to much in portland, i would take that deal.

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LOL

Flynn, a pure pg? What a joke.

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Flynn is a PG....what r

Flynn is a PG....what r talkin about? Flynn is more of a PG than Bayless is ...that is a fact

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lol

Flynn, in the NBA is going to be a scoring pg.

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Bayless is a combo guard

Flynn is more of a point than bayless and a better creator. I like Bayless a lot but he is a scorer through and through. If I want a point to run the offense I choose Flynn. I seen him find the shooters real well after penetration wich he creates. Bayless is a better shooter and a bigger guard. He will have a good career sorta like Monta Ellis type.

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he is a scorer but he can

he is a scorer but he can create and hes a pure point guard.

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if you dont think he can

if you dont think he can pass it you need tto watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U65I6UB9og
he also has a nose for the ball on defense like Chris Paul, overall a good player.

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Rubios job

The Timberwolves are going to bribe Rubio over, saying that if he comes, hes the starter, but if he stays, he will have to beat Flynn. The Timberwolves arent in a hurry. If They traded Flynn, look for them to go after one of the SF took around 12, and maybe a draft pick. The Timberwolves arent playing to win now.

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Rubio and Flynn would be the

Rubio and Flynn would be the worst backcourt in basketball in terms of defense, if they played at the same time. They wouldnt be a good fit together on either side,but especially defense.

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They would not be a good backcourt

Flynn is undersized and Rubio would be undersized and not strong enough to guard two guards. Bad idea.

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I dont know who yall have

I dont know who yall have been watching but both of these guys are great defenders. They are both average shooters but really really good defenders. Watch some ball.

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no jared ...you watch some

no jared ...you watch some ball. Even NBA scouts and people who get info from scouts say they dont play defense.

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Nah man...Go do your podcast

Nah man...Go do your podcast and talk about what a stupid comment I made and then when season starts, you will see (at least with Flynn because nobody knows if Rubio is staying or going) that these guys can defend.

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their both decent defenders

their both decent defenders but neither one has the size or strength to guard a shoting guard.

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They are both pretty good

They are both pretty good defenders. However they aren't great. Flynn is so small he will be at a disadvantage against bigger stronger guards like Billups, Deron Williams, etc... Rubio has the size but I don't think he is quick enough to guard Chris Paul, Derrick Rose etc...

So basically Rubio & Flynn were good defenders on the college level & european level but...I think they will struggle to defend in the nba.

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Which is exactly why they

Which is exactly why they cannot play together at the same time on the court....they will get destroyed... I promise you a lineup that looks like this will not win many games:
PG-Rubio
SG-Flynn
SF-Gomes
PF-Love
C-Jefferson

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I agree. That lineup will

I agree. That lineup will not win many games but with some time to adjust and one of the to be able to knock down a three or two, Flynn could be Nate Robinson easy. If the plan is to run run run, with some half-court in between, they could be an exciting team. Not successful but exciting.

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Hey now...

You never know... Phoenix went 56-26 with Jason Kidd, Steve Nash and Kevin Johnson on the same team. Sometimes having all of them on the floor at once.

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Flynn is good at

Flynn is good at intercepting passes from point guard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U65I6UB9og
but if he went up against a shooting guard hed make Sun Yue look like MJ.

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Flynn is more prepared to

Flynn is more prepared to play. He can play some defense because he is so strong and athletic. Rubio would just get locked down by anyone who defends him.

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It doesnt matter...

Its an open audition to find the PG of the future. First of all T-Wolves are in no rush to get Rubio to play this year and with his large buyout expect him to play in Spain for at least this season. This is NOT a bad thing, it gives Minnesota the opportunity to watch both players develop while they attempt to create an identity for the team. I honestly believe David Kahn when he says he did not expect Rubio to fall to #5. That is the reason Minnesota invited every other PG in for a massive workout the week of the draft. During that workout I believe they decided to target Johnny Flynn and Tyreke Evans as thier options figuring Rubio would go to Sacramento at #4. Then Rumors started swirling about OK City GM Sam Presti's desire to court Rubio, which lead to Minnesota holding an emergency workout with James Harden the day before the draft. Kahn figured if Rubio went # 3 Sacramento would almost certainly pick Tyreke Evans so option B would be Flynn and Harden. So when Rubio fell to #5 it really was a surprize, but if the player on top of your board and concensous #2 prospect in the draft falls to you when you have two picks in a row, you have to take him. The problem with that there were no C prospects at #6, the two wing players the team scouted are off of the board and the only other wing possible was DeRozen who they never worked out. The top players left on the board were Johnny Flynn and Stephen Curry( both PGs) Im sure the arguement will always be Curry is a better fit with Rubio, but if Flynn was higher on the board they made the right decision for the team. As it stands now if Rubio comes over this year he would have a leg up on the starting PG, and Johnny Flynn would be forced to pull his best A.I. impression as an undersized slasher at the 2.

ps Sacremento is the ones that messed the draft up, Rubio is an AMAZING fit for the style of basketball they are trying to play. Evans may be able to play some PG in a wide open sheme bcuz he is most dangerous in the open court or iso dribble, not the half court ball movement game Sac-town plays. As a half court player he projects as a 2 guard which is already manned by the Kings best player Kevin Martin. Flynn and Evans would have been a great backcourt together... o well, its too late now.

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Flynn can play D

I don't know what all you Flynn haters are talking about. Last year when Flynn came into College along with Mayo and Rose, during the high school allstar games, they were all raving about how the smallest guy of all was slowing down Mayo. Come on now, if Flynn can show down Mayo what makes you think he can't play D? When Mayo is known as a offensive talent.

Watch Jefferson go to the all star game in 09-10 season! Why? Because Flynn is going to make Jefferson so much better. Jefferson was good when no play maker, he will be even better with a play maker.

Speaking of Love, watch the pick and pop game between Flynn and Love. Flynn is going to be so fast of the pick and roll that they will have to double him and leave Love open.

Flynn is not getting traded because they have been eying him and locking him down during the pick. He was their main guy during the pick and Rubio was there so they took Rubio because they'll be so dumb not to have drafted him.

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TRUST ME

They wouldnt be a good defensive backcourt. Its cool that he gets steals but that doesnt make you a good defender (A.I. ANYONE?). I have a hard time believing Flynn and Rubio respectively will ever take their matchups out of a game.

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Can we please stop the

Can we please stop the Johnny Flynn - Chris Paul comparisons? Johnny Flynn was nowhere near the level of player Chris Paul was when he came out.

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Jonny Flynn is totally

Jonny Flynn is totally different than Nate Robinson. Flynn is a much more complete point that actually thinks about D while Nate is one of the best in the league at getting his own shot. Back to the question at hand... I'd say Flynn because Rubio is not happy where he ended up so I see his attitude getting in the way until he gets traded or heads back to Europe. Its a good topic though because I think these are the 2 most NBA-ready PGs in the draft.

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I believe

Jonny Flynn is alot like Chris Paul whether you believe it or not.

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he is. hes special,he has

he is. hes special,he has the potentiol but i dont think hell ever be quite as good as Chris Paul.

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He has so many flaws to his

He has so many flaws to his game right now it's not even funny.

He's a terrible decision maker
An Under average FT Shooter
Out of control and Erratic
Under Average Defender
Sub Par 3pt Shot
He is undersized
He will be destroyed by screens
Just an Average wingspan
Plus he's turnover prone.

When Chris Paul came out he was considered the creme de la creme of Point Guards. In my mind Johnny Flynn will be nowhere near the player Chris Paul is.

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hmmmm lets compare that to rubio now..hes a pretty good decision maker...avergae athletisim, he is out of control alot...lead spain in turnovers horrible 3pt shooter...below average at finishing against below average athletic big men slow first step..has trouble getting pass quick pg's in europe...so yeah both players seem to have many flaws..though ill take flynn over rubio any day of the week

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Flynn no D?

Here is a comment from 07-08 going into college with fellow freshmens at the time, Rose and Mayo. Here are some comments about him guarding both Rose and Mayo. I'm pretty sure everyone agress that rose will be a superstar in this leage, and if Flynn can keep up with Rose he will be able to keep up with anyone else.

Jonny Flynn, 6’0, PG, Signed with Syracuse
9 pts, 6 asst, 2 to, 3-7 fg, 1-3 3pt, 2-2 ft in 20 min

Jonathan Givony

One of the more pleasant surprises of the evening was the play of starting point guard Jonny Flynn. He performed his duties fairly well, creating offense off the dribble constantly thanks to his excellent ball-handling skills and quick first step and getting into the paint. Usually he would look to dish off to a teammate rather than finish the play himself, and in turn racked up quite a few assists for himself, particularly in the first half. His chemistry with fellow Syracuse commit Donte Green looked particularly promising, giving his future teammate a chance to show off his athleticism with some nice finishes around the rim. Flynn would have finished with even more assists had his other teammates done a better job of converting his passes.

Speaking of athleticism, Flynn appears to be no slouch himself judging by the powerful one-handed dunk he threw down late in the first half. He also used his athleticism to play pretty good defense on Derrick Rose, appearing to take to heart the challenge of guarding the much more highly regarded point guard. He seems to be a pretty tough kid who is not afraid to stick his nose in. There was a point in the first half that it looked like he might compete for MVP honors, but alas, he slowed down in the 2nd, even if he did hit a pretty clutch 3-pointer down the stretch. Still, Syracuse fans have a lot of reasons to get excited about considering the ball-handling issues they had last season.

Jonny Flynn, 5’11, PG, Signed with Syracuse

Aside from Mayo, there has not been a player who has been more impressive then Niagara Falls standout Jonny Flynn. He has done a remarkable job controlling the tempo of the game and making everyone around him better, despite the fact that he has the reputation for being a “shoot first” point guard. The Syracuse recruit displayed the ability to get into the lane on anybody, while also playing outstanding defense on O.J. Mayo. He has carried over his production from the McDonald’s game into the Roundball Classic practices, and if he is able to keep it up, should surely contend for the starting point guard position next year at Syracuse.

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