Who starts if both in camp: Flynn or Rubio?
it'll be Flynn, he'll be ready to come in and do what he's been doing in college. Rubio will take a while if he even comes over. They are a weird team with two Power Forwards like Al and Love and two Point Guards like Rubio and Flynn. They don't have a center nor do they have a shooting guard. Their SF isn't that great either. Minny is in a real dilemma with their situation, hopefully free agency is kind to them. Flynn is their starter though.
Why cant they both be starters? That was the plan when they were drafted. Couldn't Rubio guard the SG but play the PG and Flynn guard the PG and play the SG? Then they would have two lock down defenders along with 2 great playmakers starting in their back court. Also, they could have to great big men with Jefferson playing center because he is a great "back to the basket" player and Love is a great complement because he has some range. The three guard, possibly Brewer, Carny, or even Ellington, needs to be able to shoot off the catch with some range and play defence. My guess would be Brewer. All in all, they are going to be a YOUNG team. Meaning that they have room to try new things. I have always been a fan of a 2 PG backcourt. It just makes some sence having two play makers. IDK, thats just me. Bright future that may be in the present if one of these rookie PGs can be poised. Jefferson was a borderline allstar before he got hurt and his game wasnt really based on athletic ability. He will be back to form, Love will be a better player this year because of the year of expreince. Lots of options at SF with a couple guys trying to play SG and a great young tandum of PGs. Look out 2013. These guys are gonna be good.
How about no in general? Bayless doesn't fit Mcmillians style? Hmmm...I disagree. Bayless has a chance to become a lock down defender (something Flynn will never be). Mcmillian loves players that play good defense. Not to mention that Bayless has way more size and strength.
Flynn is more of a point than bayless and a better creator. I like Bayless a lot but he is a scorer through and through. If I want a point to run the offense I choose Flynn. I seen him find the shooters real well after penetration wich he creates. Bayless is a better shooter and a bigger guard. He will have a good career sorta like Monta Ellis type.
if you dont think he can pass it you need tto watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U65I6UB9og
he also has a nose for the ball on defense like Chris Paul, overall a good player.
The Timberwolves are going to bribe Rubio over, saying that if he comes, hes the starter, but if he stays, he will have to beat Flynn. The Timberwolves arent in a hurry. If They traded Flynn, look for them to go after one of the SF took around 12, and maybe a draft pick. The Timberwolves arent playing to win now.
They are both pretty good defenders. However they aren't great. Flynn is so small he will be at a disadvantage against bigger stronger guards like Billups, Deron Williams, etc... Rubio has the size but I don't think he is quick enough to guard Chris Paul, Derrick Rose etc...
So basically Rubio & Flynn were good defenders on the college level & european level but...I think they will struggle to defend in the nba.
I agree. That lineup will not win many games but with some time to adjust and one of the to be able to knock down a three or two, Flynn could be Nate Robinson easy. If the plan is to run run run, with some half-court in between, they could be an exciting team. Not successful but exciting.
Flynn is good at intercepting passes from point guard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U65I6UB9og
but if he went up against a shooting guard hed make Sun Yue look like MJ.
Its an open audition to find the PG of the future. First of all T-Wolves are in no rush to get Rubio to play this year and with his large buyout expect him to play in Spain for at least this season. This is NOT a bad thing, it gives Minnesota the opportunity to watch both players develop while they attempt to create an identity for the team. I honestly believe David Kahn when he says he did not expect Rubio to fall to #5. That is the reason Minnesota invited every other PG in for a massive workout the week of the draft. During that workout I believe they decided to target Johnny Flynn and Tyreke Evans as thier options figuring Rubio would go to Sacramento at #4. Then Rumors started swirling about OK City GM Sam Presti's desire to court Rubio, which lead to Minnesota holding an emergency workout with James Harden the day before the draft. Kahn figured if Rubio went # 3 Sacramento would almost certainly pick Tyreke Evans so option B would be Flynn and Harden. So when Rubio fell to #5 it really was a surprize, but if the player on top of your board and concensous #2 prospect in the draft falls to you when you have two picks in a row, you have to take him. The problem with that there were no C prospects at #6, the two wing players the team scouted are off of the board and the only other wing possible was DeRozen who they never worked out. The top players left on the board were Johnny Flynn and Stephen Curry( both PGs) Im sure the arguement will always be Curry is a better fit with Rubio, but if Flynn was higher on the board they made the right decision for the team. As it stands now if Rubio comes over this year he would have a leg up on the starting PG, and Johnny Flynn would be forced to pull his best A.I. impression as an undersized slasher at the 2.
ps Sacremento is the ones that messed the draft up, Rubio is an AMAZING fit for the style of basketball they are trying to play. Evans may be able to play some PG in a wide open sheme bcuz he is most dangerous in the open court or iso dribble, not the half court ball movement game Sac-town plays. As a half court player he projects as a 2 guard which is already manned by the Kings best player Kevin Martin. Flynn and Evans would have been a great backcourt together... o well, its too late now.
I don't know what all you Flynn haters are talking about. Last year when Flynn came into College along with Mayo and Rose, during the high school allstar games, they were all raving about how the smallest guy of all was slowing down Mayo. Come on now, if Flynn can show down Mayo what makes you think he can't play D? When Mayo is known as a offensive talent.
Watch Jefferson go to the all star game in 09-10 season! Why? Because Flynn is going to make Jefferson so much better. Jefferson was good when no play maker, he will be even better with a play maker.
Speaking of Love, watch the pick and pop game between Flynn and Love. Flynn is going to be so fast of the pick and roll that they will have to double him and leave Love open.
Flynn is not getting traded because they have been eying him and locking him down during the pick. He was their main guy during the pick and Rubio was there so they took Rubio because they'll be so dumb not to have drafted him.
Jonny Flynn is totally different than Nate Robinson. Flynn is a much more complete point that actually thinks about D while Nate is one of the best in the league at getting his own shot. Back to the question at hand... I'd say Flynn because Rubio is not happy where he ended up so I see his attitude getting in the way until he gets traded or heads back to Europe. Its a good topic though because I think these are the 2 most NBA-ready PGs in the draft.
He has so many flaws to his game right now it's not even funny.
He's a terrible decision maker
An Under average FT Shooter
Out of control and Erratic
Under Average Defender
Sub Par 3pt Shot
He is undersized
He will be destroyed by screens
Just an Average wingspan
Plus he's turnover prone.
When Chris Paul came out he was considered the creme de la creme of Point Guards. In my mind Johnny Flynn will be nowhere near the player Chris Paul is.
hmmmm lets compare that to rubio now..hes a pretty good decision maker...avergae athletisim, he is out of control alot...lead spain in turnovers horrible 3pt shooter...below average at finishing against below average athletic big men slow first step..has trouble getting pass quick pg's in europe...so yeah both players seem to have many flaws..though ill take flynn over rubio any day of the week
Here is a comment from 07-08 going into college with fellow freshmens at the time, Rose and Mayo. Here are some comments about him guarding both Rose and Mayo. I'm pretty sure everyone agress that rose will be a superstar in this leage, and if Flynn can keep up with Rose he will be able to keep up with anyone else.
Jonny Flynn, 6’0, PG, Signed with Syracuse
9 pts, 6 asst, 2 to, 3-7 fg, 1-3 3pt, 2-2 ft in 20 min
Jonathan Givony
One of the more pleasant surprises of the evening was the play of starting point guard Jonny Flynn. He performed his duties fairly well, creating offense off the dribble constantly thanks to his excellent ball-handling skills and quick first step and getting into the paint. Usually he would look to dish off to a teammate rather than finish the play himself, and in turn racked up quite a few assists for himself, particularly in the first half. His chemistry with fellow Syracuse commit Donte Green looked particularly promising, giving his future teammate a chance to show off his athleticism with some nice finishes around the rim. Flynn would have finished with even more assists had his other teammates done a better job of converting his passes.
Speaking of athleticism, Flynn appears to be no slouch himself judging by the powerful one-handed dunk he threw down late in the first half. He also used his athleticism to play pretty good defense on Derrick Rose, appearing to take to heart the challenge of guarding the much more highly regarded point guard. He seems to be a pretty tough kid who is not afraid to stick his nose in. There was a point in the first half that it looked like he might compete for MVP honors, but alas, he slowed down in the 2nd, even if he did hit a pretty clutch 3-pointer down the stretch. Still, Syracuse fans have a lot of reasons to get excited about considering the ball-handling issues they had last season.
Jonny Flynn, 5’11, PG, Signed with Syracuse
Aside from Mayo, there has not been a player who has been more impressive then Niagara Falls standout Jonny Flynn. He has done a remarkable job controlling the tempo of the game and making everyone around him better, despite the fact that he has the reputation for being a “shoot first” point guard. The Syracuse recruit displayed the ability to get into the lane on anybody, while also playing outstanding defense on O.J. Mayo. He has carried over his production from the McDonald’s game into the Roundball Classic practices, and if he is able to keep it up, should surely contend for the starting point guard position next year at Syracuse.
Who do you think wins the starting point job in minny if both players show up to camp?