Who is the most athletic pg in the league out of Westbrook , rose , and wall
His strength, speed and hops are unrivaled. I truly believe there has never been a PG like him. I remember some stupid article comparing him to Kevin Johnson, but KJ was not even close to as strong as Rose.
you forget body control mikeyv^ rose has the craziest contortions to make layups. and while westbrook is very athletic all he does is looks to dunk it seems like.
Rose is the best athlete overall, but Wall is the fastest and Westbrook is probably the most explosive. Rose's agility and body control is far superior than either though and that's what puts him over the top.
I just think his ability to change speeds and direction so quickly really separates him from wall and westbrook. And i agree his body control is just unbelievable
I think Westbrook and Rose are neck and neck
Speed they are about the same
Quickness is about the same
Rose wins in body control
Westbrook wins in explosiveness
There really is no clear cut winner.
that westrbook dunk in the second half tonight was insane and something i dont think even rose could do.
In all seriousness though, D Rose is the complete package of speed, explosiveness, quickness, agility, body control etc.
Rose is more agile.
Both are pretty athletic thats a wash.
Westbrook is faster though.
I'd give D. Rose the nod, but Westrbook attacks the rim harder and with more aggressiveness.
I really don't see how people can really give one or the other the nod, there really is no clear cut winner.
Not to mention Westbrook did have almost more dunks last season than Wall and Rose combined.
Wall and Rose COMBINED for 58
Westbrook by himself had 52 dunks
Something to think about.
but once again I think Rose and Westbrook are equal
John Wall is, now that he's healthy and got his explosiveness back he is looking like a superhuman athlete. His bounce off two legs is amazing.
i agree, its not easy to split hairs when talking about whos the best athlete. I mean rose has break kneck speed and changes direction and seems to be running withouth even touching the court sometimes. But westrbook is just coming out of nowhere with rebounds and nasty dunks. Whatever, i think its a toss up. BUt rose is the best player.
2011-2012 NBA Season
Russell Westbrook currently has 32 dunks, which ranks 21 out of all players in the NBA
John Wall has 17 dunks, which ranks 72 out of all players in the NBA
Derrick Rose has 11 dunks, which ranks 106 out of all players in the NBA
You have to think though, Derrick Rose has missed a lot of playing time this year due to injury, thus taking away from a lot of the numbers he could have. I personally don't believe a stat such as that is comparable simply because injuries and other unfortunate things occur. Once you factor in playing time, it is all just jumbled numbers.
As far as my opinion, it's a very close call and quite an intriuging debate. I personally believe it is a safe bet to go with Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook, because they are both athletic freaks when it comes to playing the point guard position.
I will admit that I don't think John Wall is as athletic as Rose and Westbrook, but I do think Wall is very athletic and he deserves a very nice honorable mention as one of the league's elite, athletic point guards.
I would agree with you,but Westbrook beat Rose by a nice margin last year as well.
Westbrook had 52 dunks in 82 games
Rose had 32 dunks in 81 games
I don't know why people neggin me tho lol I clearly said in every post I think they're tied.
The only reason i'm bringing up the dunk stats is because I think it's a good indicator of athleticism.
But once again, I don't think there is a clear cut winner, I believe Rose and Westbrook are neck and neck.
Rose, athletic ability isn't ranked by dunks. Westbrook and Wall both lacksthe body control and balance Rose has.
And Wall and Rose lack the explosiveness Westbrook has
Dunks are not the determining factor is how athletic somebody is. Westbrook is definitly fast and can jump really high. But Rose is quicker, more fluid, just as fast, stronger, and can jump pretty darn high as well.
This is no knock on Westbrook, but DRose may be the most athletic PG in NBA history. The guy is the complete package from an athletic standpoint.
I'd be curious to see what people think of both of them if you take away their elite athleticism and replace it will average to good athleticism. Who would be better, would either of them be really good players still.
Rose and Westbrook quickness is about the same
Rose is more fluid but Westbrook is more explosive
And Westbrook actually is stronger than Rose.
Rose had 10 reps of 185 at the combine, with Westbrook getting 12.
I don't know why yall just won't come to grips with the fact Westbrook is just as athletic as Rose is.
I'm telling you there is no winner, they both have their adavantages but in the end it all factors out.
Why don't we just put all 3 in the dunk contest next year with Shumpert & settle it that way...
And just to break it down even more
According to the combine
Rose had 10 reps of 185
Westbrook had 12 reps
Westbrook is stronger
Rose max vert was 40inches
Westbrook max vert was 36.5
Rose is a better jumper
Rose lane agility was 11.69
Westbrook lane agility was 10.98
Westbrook is quicker
Rose 3/4 court sprint was 3.05
Westbrook 3/4 court sprint was 3.08
Rose is faster
Rose has better body control
Westbrook is more explosive
Count it up
Rose is the most athletic PG once he gets over that back injury 100%.His change of direction and that body control you guys talk about is what is the separation is. John Wall may be just as explosive as both but he is out of control a lot of times
Eric Gordon put up better combine numbers then Rose, Westbrook, and Wall...just saying.
Also Wall is clearly the fastest and might jump the highest.
Westbrook clearly has the most agility hence why he is the best defender.
Rose is the best player but I think Westbrook might be the best all around athlete because of his agility and acceleration. Rose might know how to use it better with the ball in his hands but Russ uses it more on defense.
when talking about the dunk numbers they had last year. does kevin durant stretching the floor play a role in westbrook dunking success? the defense knows who trying to score the most vs. the bulls/wiz.
id bet my life that since being in the nba rose has put on more weight than westbrook and is now stronger overall youngdave
Is YoungDave really trying to judge who's the better athlete by dunks lol? Even worse, he used 3-4 year old combine results, which by the way Rose had knee tendinitis.
Are yall dumb?
In EVERY post I clearly said there is NO CLEAR CUT WINNER.
Go back and read, I didn't say Rose was more athletic, I didn't say Westbrook was more athletic
I said they are neck and neck in every post
Get off Rose jock, Westbrook is just as athletic.
And whether you like it or not or want to admit it, being top 25 in dunks in the entire league as a PG is a testament to how athletic you are, regardless of what you want to say.
Make every excuse you want for Rose, Westbrook is just as athletic.
Are yall really being that much of Rose groupies? Lol "He's put on more weight since he's been in the league.
Well how do you know Westbrook hasn't gained weight?
They work out toghether EVERYDAY in the summer since they been in the L, so i'm pretty sure they do the exact same training since they are both PG's.
I understand the infatuation with Rose on this site, but please cut it out.
Thinking Rose is more athletic is not the same as "being on his jock"
I could theoretically respond by saying get of Westbrooks jock, but I won't.
I think Westbrook is the most explosive PG in the league, and the best dunking, but Rose is more athletic. I'm not on his jock, nor am I an anti Westbrooks jock...wait what?
I'm not making any excuses for Westbrook
Yall are making excuses for Rose
Saying he's injured, when Westbrook still had more dunks than him last year.
Saying he's stronger than Westbrook NOW,but according to numbers, Westbrooks stronger.
Saying he's heavier than Westbrook.
How do you know that, they workout together everyday in the summer, pretty sure they do the same training since they are both PGs.
Stop making excuses,it is what it is.
Rose isn't more athletic than Westbrook, they are equal.
I think rose body control separates them, but Westbrook is the more powerful and explosive leaper. I feel youngdave, its definitely not a clear cut. Some say Rose is the most athletic pg ever, but thats hard. Baron Davis is in the conversation. He didnt have the speed of Rose, but his leaping ability, strength, and body control were expectional. Iverson was also a heck of an athlete. People have to realize AI was about 5/11 155 but amazing speed and good hops in younger days. Other notables Robert Pack- Steve Francis
I think people try to add how good Rose is into the mix as well.
The thread isWHO IS THE MOST ATHLETIC, not player.
And I agree NJHooper, Baron Davis is right up there as well.
You could also make a case for some other guys as well such as Iverson,Francis, and Rondo to an extent possibly.
There's guys who are super athletic who don't get to even play, such as Eric Bledsoe, who is built like a freakin line backer, has a 40 inch vert, and is super quick and was reportedly faster than John Wall.
Monta Ellis has the best body control
Point Guards my dawg, Point Guards.
Westbrook tries to dunk anything, Rose goes sometimes with layups (sometimes super athletic layups)he doesnt need to prove he can dunk, but i have to agree that Russel has a bit edge on his powerfull explosiveness. Also Russel is a bit taller, the more tall you are, you put more dunks easily. Also, this is related with tendencies as mentioned before.
To say someone is stronger or faster or has better body control soley based off of results on a few test isn't conclusive. For instance, just b/c someone benches more doesn't mean they are certainly stronger. Benching involves alot of technique as well and does not utilize every muscle. You can be a horrible bencher and still be very strong.
Westbrook is as strong or stronger than Rose, he is more explosive meaning his core strength is stronger than Rose's.
Russell gets to the FT line more than Rose as well
I mean what makes yall think Rose is stronger than Westbrook.
Everything dealing with Strength when it comes to basketball Westbrook has Rose beat.
Rebounds Russell Wins
FT attempts Russell Wins
Exploding to the basket Russell wins
Men lie, Women lie, Numbers don't lie.
Yall have nothing that proves Rose is stronger.
And I guarantee you Rose lovers, if he was top 25 in dunks, yall would use that to yall advantage, I'm not even using that as an advantage i'm just saying it's a testament to his athleticism which it is, whether it's thru the lane,tip dunks,getting out on the break,running the floor, whatever the case may be, for a PG to dunk that much in the NBA is ridicoulous, and lets be honest most of Westbrooks dunks are right thru the lane.
So whatever grudge yall got against Westbrook please let it go lol
i agree with you dave to certain extent. all this "body control" rose is getting credit for is because rose can finish better around the rim when not dunking! like on reverse lay ups, switching the release of the shot AND the fact that he is a better ball handler.
i seriously think that westbrook, rose, and wall all have similar athletic abilities, its just that with rose's skill level he can displayed better. and westbrook getting all those is because he has durant on his team. rose has deng, and wall has nick young.
Westbrook voters will never win in a Rose vs Westbrook debate.
I'm just waiting for someone to prove how is Rose stronger than Westbrook.
As I stated earlier, everything dealing with strength when it comes to bball Westbrook wins.
And the body control people gives Rose is a little overrated, while he does make some impressive layups, Westbrooks body control is pretty good as well, his ability to gather and just explode like he does to the rim and dunk is just as impressive as Rose contorting his body and making layups.
All of that has to do with body control.
All I know is this, John Wall isn't in the same class as these guys when it comes to talent.
Athletically, it really is a wash between Rose and Westbrook.
Exactly I haven't gave Westbrook the edge at all.
You can't say one is more athletic than the other, Rose and Westbrook are equal.
But the Rose fans think otherwise, yet they have no proof as to how Rose wins.
I'd give the nod to Westbrook. He has the most explosive leaping ability, and he's very fast. Wall is the fastest out of all 3, but he can't leap as high in traffic as the other two.
They're both freakish athletes, but I think Rose has more control and ability to change direction/avoid contact going full speed.
When we're talking about freak athletes, there isn't going to be much separating them, so those small things separating them are a big deal.
pg only dunk contest next year...
Replace Shumpert with Jennings or Ronnie Price since Shumpert has proven to be less of a PG and more of a SG.
Rose might be more athletic, but boy does Westbrook get you out of your seat. That second half dunk last night that LL mentioned was NASTY. He was one of the reasons the West held on late, even though everything went through Kobe and Durant. That puback dunk was ferocious. We NEED this guy in the dunk contest. If we actually got the young athletic guys to do it, than it would be nice.
westbrook has never missed a game in his entire basketball career. since HS...
im starting to think he's most athletic PG, rose is just more skilled to display it.