[CoolidgerParticipant]

 It’s been well documented that the Sixers have made it a habit of drafting BPA in their last couple drafts, regardless of position. That has landed them 4 potential frontcourt assets, but eventually they’re gonna have to turn those frontcourt assets into something as they can’t all play together. So, assuming they take Ben Simmons #1 overall and put him at SF, that leaves them with Dario Saric, Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor and Joel Embiid. It seems likely that they’ll trade one of them. Which of the 4 do you think they would move?

 

I’d think they would keep Saric as he brings a different type of game and some potential as a stretch four, as well as maybe some minutes as a part time 3. I’d also think they would keep Embiid as it still sounds like they have decent expectations for him. He has the most upside of anyone on their roster. On top of that, considering he hasn’t played for 2 years I’m not sure what they would even get if they tried to trade him. I’m sure they’d get a few calls but no GM in their right mind is going to give up any asset of value for a guy who hasn’t played an NBA game in 2 years, too risky. And if you’re the 76ers you don’t risk trading him for a lowly offer of a bag of cheetos and then watch him become a rising big man.

 

So, it comes down to Noel and Okafor for me. Noel brings more defense, versatility and athletic ability to play in todays faster NBA, but has little offensive game, is 2 years older than Okafor, has had some injury problems (ACL tear) and didn’t show much growth from year 1 to year 2. Okafor has more offensive talent, a bigger frame and is a few years younger, but slow footed and average at best defensively. It’s not that I don’t think he can’t succeed in the NBA with the way it is, I’m just not sure he can do it playing next to Embiid. They’d contradict each other in the post and neither has enough footspeed to play PF in todays game. I think Noel would be the better choice to keep, as I think he could play PF next to Embiid, or C if Embiid doesn’t pan out. I also think Okafors probably got slightly better trade value anyway.

 

I’m interested to hear the opinion of the forum on this matter. What would you do?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 I could see Phoenix putting a package of their two draft picks and Brandon knight 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 I could see Phoenix putting a package of their two draft picks and Brandon knight 

[UncledrewParticipant]

You pretty much summed it up. For one just to get it out there Ben simmons is the best player in the draft hands down so they should select him if they’re in there right minds. Embidd is worth holding on to if they believe he will be healthy soon he’s easily more talented then Okafor. Saric being he hasn’t had any nba experience probably has the least immediate trade value until he proves what his worth as an actual nba player I’m sure they hold on to him. It comes down to Noel and Okafor. Personally I’d rather keep Noel. He’s far more athletic and has much better defensive capabilities. He will be able to guard the best opposing big and give Embidd more room to focus on the offensive side of the ball. If I’m the Sixers I develop a package around Okafor for a point guard, draft Simmons no hesitation and start trying to win games.

[Sewok15Participant]

Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick (Jamal Murray would be a great fit next to Smart in the backcourt) for Okafor and the 21st overall selection (and/or possibly one of the Sixers other future 1st picks) would be a deal that could benefit both teams.

The Sixers need shooting and Smart doesn’t really help that but Murray (or even Hield) would certainly be a major upgrade over Stauskas or Canon or whoever they are attempting to have play SG for them. Ish Smith played well for the Sixers but he is a major liability on defense with his lack of size.

Smart is obviously a defensive juggernaut so his talent and intensity could really improve the Sixers lackluster perimeter defense. Smart is also stuck behind an all star in Thomas and also Avery Bradley (who is an equally good defender and better shooter) is still under contract in Boston for two more seasons.

[Sewok15Participant]

Marcus Smart and the 3rd pick (Jamal Murray would be a great fit next to Smart in the backcourt) for Okafor and the 21st overall selection (and/or possibly one of the Sixers other future 1st picks) would be a deal that could benefit both teams.

The Sixers need shooting and Smart doesn’t really help that but Murray (or even Hield) would certainly be a major upgrade over Stauskas or Canon or whoever they are attempting to have play SG for them. Ish Smith played well for the Sixers but he is a major liability on defense with his lack of size.

Smart is obviously a defensive juggernaut so his talent and intensity could really improve the Sixers lackluster perimeter defense. Smart is also stuck behind an all star in Thomas and also Avery Bradley (who is an equally good defender and better shooter) is still under contract in Boston for two more seasons.

[UncledrewParticipant]

You pretty much summed it up. For one just to get it out there Ben simmons is the best player in the draft hands down so they should select him if they’re in there right minds. Embidd is worth holding on to if they believe he will be healthy soon he’s easily more talented then Okafor. Saric being he hasn’t had any nba experience probably has the least immediate trade value until he proves what his worth as an actual nba player I’m sure they hold on to him. It comes down to Noel and Okafor. Personally I’d rather keep Noel. He’s far more athletic and has much better defensive capabilities. He will be able to guard the best opposing big and give Embidd more room to focus on the offensive side of the ball. If I’m the Sixers I develop a package around Okafor for a point guard, draft Simmons no hesitation and start trying to win games.

[Hype Machine]

Sounds like a lot of square pegs in round holes to me….

Id just take Ingram #1. No way Saric comes to Philly to sit on the pine all game on a Rookie Salary…. and he definitely isnt a SF so forget that idea.

Add in the fact that Simmons doesnt want to go to Philly…

Sixers need a shooting wing…safe option is to just take Ingram at #1

 

[CoolidgerParticipant]

 I’m in the camp that the higher in the draft you go, the more you focus on taking the prospect you think is the best overall, and as you go further down you start looking more at who might fit your need. Especially with the first pick. With the first pick you should always focus on taking the guy who you think is going to be the best player in the draft class 3-5 years from now. That’s the whole point of picking before anyone, you can’t focus on need. If the player truly becomes the best of his draft class and you made the right choice, then you trade the pieces around him to fit, as he becomes your franchise player.

 

It’s not that I think Simmons is ages ahead of Ingram, but I do think Ben Simmons is a better overall prospect, and that’s all that should matter when you have the first pick. 

 

In what world is coming off the bench sitting on the pine all day. That’s the whole reason I made the point of trade Okafor or Noel. then you’re left with Embiid, Noel and Saric. Saric becomes first big off the bench, in a sixth man type role and brings energy and versatility off the pine, which I think would be a great role for him. Think of it like a Toni Kukoc role. Many great players have come off the bench their entire careers. I don’t think Saric would throw a hissy fit and refuse to play because he doesn’t start his rookie season (common for plenty of rookies). He’d still play. 

 

Where did you get the idea Simmons doesn’t want to play for Philly? If this is based on that ill advised reputation of Ben Simmons being a "problem case" that’s been going around, then that’s a silly argument. Not only is that whole reputation baseless to begin with, even if it was true it wouldn’t apply at all to him playing in Philly. Any player would love to go first in their draft. I’d love to hear where you heard he doesn’t wanna play for the Sixers.

 

One last note i’ll add is that one of Ben Simmons’ weakness is noted as shooting, and that’s certainly true. But plenty of players have come in and turned from bad shooters to good ones, it’s something that can be improved over time. Just because Ben Simmons isn’t a good shooter right now doesn’t mean he can’t be in 2-3 years or less if he works at it. Especially for Philly who is still rebuilding, I highly doubt they’re planning on contending for a playoff spot next season, while they’ve got some bright talented pieces in place right now they aren’t there yet. So they’re not planning on how good they’ll be next year, they’re planning on being good maybe 2-3 years, when Simmons might have added a more consistent jump shot to his arsenal. 

 

I know I’m off topic in making an argument for Simmons over Ingram rather than my initial topic about which big Philly should look at trading, I just think some of your points are both ridiculous and groundless. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vulture711Participant]

i can’t.  As a Sixer fan I heard MCW would improve, Turner and Noel and Grant and a few years later none of them can still shoot.  A good shooter like LeBron or MJ can become a super shooter with hard work

A guy who just can’t shoot usually stays that way…and even if there’s a little improvement they tend to be very mechanical

I saw tape of Simmons shooting 3s – unguarded and he was making about 1/10…sort of rolling the ball out of his palm and fading right

So gifted with the dribble he’s never had to work on it.  I think he’ll only become passable as a shooter and never a legit threat

 

 

 

[vulture711Participant]

i can’t.  As a Sixer fan I heard MCW would improve, Turner and Noel and Grant and a few years later none of them can still shoot.  A good shooter like LeBron or MJ can become a super shooter with hard work

A guy who just can’t shoot usually stays that way…and even if there’s a little improvement they tend to be very mechanical

I saw tape of Simmons shooting 3s – unguarded and he was making about 1/10…sort of rolling the ball out of his palm and fading right

So gifted with the dribble he’s never had to work on it.  I think he’ll only become passable as a shooter and never a legit threat

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

Wait… did you just call Lebron a good shooter?

[ZachAttackParticipant]

Wait… did you just call Lebron a good shooter?

[220Participant]

Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, and Bruce Bowen are a few poor shooters who became pretty good shooters over time. Every single player doesn’t have to be a three point threat, Dwyane Wade has had a great career and he’s never been much of a three point shooter.

Ben Simmons does so many things well that if he passes all the background and psychiatric screenings it would be foolish to pass on him. His only weakness is shooting at 19, which is amazing. He clearly has a strong work ethic and I’d sooner bank on him becoming a solid shooter than I would bet on Brandon Ingram becoming a nightly triple double threat. If he’s any kind of competitor he’s been in the gym working on his jump shot to prove to everyone he can shoot, but he’s simply been fortunate enough not to have to.

 

[220Participant]

Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, and Bruce Bowen are a few poor shooters who became pretty good shooters over time. Every single player doesn’t have to be a three point threat, Dwyane Wade has had a great career and he’s never been much of a three point shooter.

Ben Simmons does so many things well that if he passes all the background and psychiatric screenings it would be foolish to pass on him. His only weakness is shooting at 19, which is amazing. He clearly has a strong work ethic and I’d sooner bank on him becoming a solid shooter than I would bet on Brandon Ingram becoming a nightly triple double threat. If he’s any kind of competitor he’s been in the gym working on his jump shot to prove to everyone he can shoot, but he’s simply been fortunate enough not to have to.

 

[CoolidgerParticipant]

 I’m in the camp that the higher in the draft you go, the more you focus on taking the prospect you think is the best overall, and as you go further down you start looking more at who might fit your need. Especially with the first pick. With the first pick you should always focus on taking the guy who you think is going to be the best player in the draft class 3-5 years from now. That’s the whole point of picking before anyone, you can’t focus on need. If the player truly becomes the best of his draft class and you made the right choice, then you trade the pieces around him to fit, as he becomes your franchise player.

 

It’s not that I think Simmons is ages ahead of Ingram, but I do think Ben Simmons is a better overall prospect, and that’s all that should matter when you have the first pick. 

 

In what world is coming off the bench sitting on the pine all day. That’s the whole reason I made the point of trade Okafor or Noel. then you’re left with Embiid, Noel and Saric. Saric becomes first big off the bench, in a sixth man type role and brings energy and versatility off the pine, which I think would be a great role for him. Think of it like a Toni Kukoc role. Many great players have come off the bench their entire careers. I don’t think Saric would throw a hissy fit and refuse to play because he doesn’t start his rookie season (common for plenty of rookies). He’d still play. 

 

Where did you get the idea Simmons doesn’t want to play for Philly? If this is based on that ill advised reputation of Ben Simmons being a "problem case" that’s been going around, then that’s a silly argument. Not only is that whole reputation baseless to begin with, even if it was true it wouldn’t apply at all to him playing in Philly. Any player would love to go first in their draft. I’d love to hear where you heard he doesn’t wanna play for the Sixers.

 

One last note i’ll add is that one of Ben Simmons’ weakness is noted as shooting, and that’s certainly true. But plenty of players have come in and turned from bad shooters to good ones, it’s something that can be improved over time. Just because Ben Simmons isn’t a good shooter right now doesn’t mean he can’t be in 2-3 years or less if he works at it. Especially for Philly who is still rebuilding, I highly doubt they’re planning on contending for a playoff spot next season, while they’ve got some bright talented pieces in place right now they aren’t there yet. So they’re not planning on how good they’ll be next year, they’re planning on being good maybe 2-3 years, when Simmons might have added a more consistent jump shot to his arsenal. 

 

I know I’m off topic in making an argument for Simmons over Ingram rather than my initial topic about which big Philly should look at trading, I just think some of your points are both ridiculous and groundless. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Sounds like a lot of square pegs in round holes to me….

Id just take Ingram #1. No way Saric comes to Philly to sit on the pine all game on a Rookie Salary…. and he definitely isnt a SF so forget that idea.

Add in the fact that Simmons doesnt want to go to Philly…

Sixers need a shooting wing…safe option is to just take Ingram at #1

 

[daggers818Participant]

I also agree with the OP’s analysis which is on target.  I also can’t see them trading Saric before he’s even played a game for Philly given what must surely have been overwhelming assurances from the 76ers front office over the past couple years to leave Europe, take a buyout, and come over.  I know it’s a business, but if they trade him, that’s really bad optics at least.

If I’m a 76ers fan, I’m pumped.  So many options, so much fun to be Colangelo right now. Talk about falling into an oil well!!!

[daggers818Participant]

I also agree with the OP’s analysis which is on target.  I also can’t see them trading Saric before he’s even played a game for Philly given what must surely have been overwhelming assurances from the 76ers front office over the past couple years to leave Europe, take a buyout, and come over.  I know it’s a business, but if they trade him, that’s really bad optics at least.

If I’m a 76ers fan, I’m pumped.  So many options, so much fun to be Colangelo right now. Talk about falling into an oil well!!!

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

 I would love to see the Wolves send the number 5 pick for Okafor.  Philly could add Murray, Jalen Brown or Dunn and round out their starting line up a bit.  For the Wolves they have their K. Love replacement and Okafor’s adjustment is easier with Tyus Jones to hang out with again.     

 

 

 

 

  

 

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

 I would love to see the Wolves send the number 5 pick for Okafor.  Philly could add Murray, Jalen Brown or Dunn and round out their starting line up a bit.  For the Wolves they have their K. Love replacement and Okafor’s adjustment is easier with Tyus Jones to hang out with again.     

 

 

 

 

  

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 In a perfect world they keep them all together for a few years at least, what’s the rush to break them up already, they haven’t even all played a game together yet, they could have incredible chemistry for all we know…

Imagine you trade anyone of these guys and he becomes an All Star? DPOY? 6th Man?

Well that’s the likely outcome if you trade Okafor, Noel or Saric!

I think there is always room for great team players and they all seem like great team players, by all acounts they don’t really overlap eachother as far as skillsets are concerned, Noel is a defender, Okafor a Scorer, Embiid does a bit of both and should be eased in and monitered closely ala Andrew Bynum back in LA until he can prove he’s durable, Saric is from Europe where he’s always played a team game and can be a valuable role player at Sf-C

SIMMONS is the Real Question Mark here, IF he can improve his jump shot AND defend the Sf position I don’t see a need to trade ANYONE, this is why I’ve long been IN the INgram Camp from day 1(go check my post back in October) Ingram is clearly the better fit and he’s not even that far behind Simmons as a prospect IMO, I may not see KD or PG13 necessarily but I do think he’ll be a very good SF and CAN play with the Monster Core of Noel, Embiid, Saric and Okafor…

I’m starting to think about Taking Ingram #1 and letting the chips fall where they may in the draft, I believe in Brandon as a Shooter/Scorer/Defender/Passer, he’s the total package plus he looks like he just smoked a blunt, so he’ll fit right in here in Philadelphia, Simmons doesn’t seem like a Philly guy even though I like symetry and Brent Brown has some Austrailian connections, coaching Simmons is probally a dream for him…

Long rant Over, Don’t trade anyone yet!

Let’s see who we draft #1 and how all the parts fit next year…

We still have plenty of Picks to cash in on and could use another Stud or 2 in 2017 and 2018 LOL!

Draft Ingram this year and wait for Josh Jackson and Fox/Fultz/Ball/Smith if you struggle (LA’s pick in play too)

Trust the process, Draft BPA, Simmons or Ingram?

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 In a perfect world they keep them all together for a few years at least, what’s the rush to break them up already, they haven’t even all played a game together yet, they could have incredible chemistry for all we know…

Imagine you trade anyone of these guys and he becomes an All Star? DPOY? 6th Man?

Well that’s the likely outcome if you trade Okafor, Noel or Saric!

I think there is always room for great team players and they all seem like great team players, by all acounts they don’t really overlap eachother as far as skillsets are concerned, Noel is a defender, Okafor a Scorer, Embiid does a bit of both and should be eased in and monitered closely ala Andrew Bynum back in LA until he can prove he’s durable, Saric is from Europe where he’s always played a team game and can be a valuable role player at Sf-C

SIMMONS is the Real Question Mark here, IF he can improve his jump shot AND defend the Sf position I don’t see a need to trade ANYONE, this is why I’ve long been IN the INgram Camp from day 1(go check my post back in October) Ingram is clearly the better fit and he’s not even that far behind Simmons as a prospect IMO, I may not see KD or PG13 necessarily but I do think he’ll be a very good SF and CAN play with the Monster Core of Noel, Embiid, Saric and Okafor…

I’m starting to think about Taking Ingram #1 and letting the chips fall where they may in the draft, I believe in Brandon as a Shooter/Scorer/Defender/Passer, he’s the total package plus he looks like he just smoked a blunt, so he’ll fit right in here in Philadelphia, Simmons doesn’t seem like a Philly guy even though I like symetry and Brent Brown has some Austrailian connections, coaching Simmons is probally a dream for him…

Long rant Over, Don’t trade anyone yet!

Let’s see who we draft #1 and how all the parts fit next year…

We still have plenty of Picks to cash in on and could use another Stud or 2 in 2017 and 2018 LOL!

Draft Ingram this year and wait for Josh Jackson and Fox/Fultz/Ball/Smith if you struggle (LA’s pick in play too)

Trust the process, Draft BPA, Simmons or Ingram?

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 I’m drooling over the idea of going small with Simmons and Noel at the 4 and 5. I think Okafor brings the most value in a trade. I would look to the Suns and their 4th pick,  draft Dunn.  Unless the Sixers can pry away Booker.  

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

I want to go Big or Go Home…

Either Simmons or Ingram at SF!!! If Simmons can’t play SF than GTFO because we really need am Impact player at SF in this Draft, Simmons can’t be drafted by Philadelphia if he’s strickly going to be a "Point Forward" with no ability to play SF on both sides of the court…

I know it’s not the most popular opinion on here, but Im drafting Ingram # 1 and pegging him as my SF for the next Decade, I don’t care if he only becomes a Tayshaun Prince type, I already have a Ben Wallace, I’ll fill the holes later down the road…

Taken Simmons almost guarantees the 76ers have to trade a possible 20-10 All Star C in Okafor, a 10-10-4-2-2 DPOY in Noel or a possible 6th Man type in Saric…

Just take SF Propsect Ingram who can play with these guys and just wait for the Class of 2017′

 

 

 

  

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

I want to go Big or Go Home…

Either Simmons or Ingram at SF!!! If Simmons can’t play SF than GTFO because we really need am Impact player at SF in this Draft, Simmons can’t be drafted by Philadelphia if he’s strickly going to be a "Point Forward" with no ability to play SF on both sides of the court…

I know it’s not the most popular opinion on here, but Im drafting Ingram # 1 and pegging him as my SF for the next Decade, I don’t care if he only becomes a Tayshaun Prince type, I already have a Ben Wallace, I’ll fill the holes later down the road…

Taken Simmons almost guarantees the 76ers have to trade a possible 20-10 All Star C in Okafor, a 10-10-4-2-2 DPOY in Noel or a possible 6th Man type in Saric…

Just take SF Propsect Ingram who can play with these guys and just wait for the Class of 2017′

 

 

 

  

[holefillers1Participant]

 I’m drooling over the idea of going small with Simmons and Noel at the 4 and 5. I think Okafor brings the most value in a trade. I would look to the Suns and their 4th pick,  draft Dunn.  Unless the Sixers can pry away Booker.  

[BeastMode716Participant]

 Okafor – as an 18 y/o – scored 17.5 points, 7.3 reb & shot 51% FG% on the worst team in years W/ All 5 opposing players keying him…… & he did that largely in the 1st half when the game was still in doubt……

Okafor rarely Ever played in garbage time & almost Never scored easy buckets…… And his Rookie stats were Still better than Boogie Cousins or Andre Drummond’s Rookie #’s on better teams……. W/ Simmons, Okafor will Easily avg 22+ ppg & that # will rise as he gets older……

Nerlens Noel is an Explosive leaper who rebounds, blocks shots, can guard off ball screens & he runs the floor in transition like a grey hound…….

Joel Embiid is 7’2” & more explosive than Noel & more Offenively skilled than Okafor……

After watching Steve Adams, Enus Kanter & Serge Ibaka wreack Havoc in the Playoffs …….. why would Phila trade Any of these 7 foot studs – All of whom are still 19 – 22 years of age???

Phila is holding a Full House……. They own swap rights w/ Sacramento next year & they still own the Lakers pick in a DEEP 2017 Draft………. & both Denver & Sacramento owe them a 1st round pick as well – Plus their own……. that’s in addition to the #24 & #26 picks from OKC & Miami in the 2016 Draft…….. 

So they’ll add Ben Simmons to those 7 footers & have 7 more 1st round picks over the next 3 Drafts to load up on Guards who can shoot…… & w/ that Loaded front court free agent guards will be Begging to play w/ those inside Studs……..

Phila should just be patient – they potentially have 3 Stars right now……… In 3-5 years they will Dominate the East…… This #1 pick & getting Simmons is a Game Changer…….. If a team knocks their socks off w/ an offer than yea maybe move Saric or Noel……… but Okaofr & Embiid are untouchable now that they have Simmons (IMHO)…….. the NBA will Always be about scoring & those 3 Command a Double team Every time………

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 Okafor – as an 18 y/o – scored 17.5 points, 7.3 reb & shot 51% FG% on the worst team in years W/ All 5 opposing players keying him…… & he did that largely in the 1st half when the game was still in doubt……

Okafor rarely Ever played in garbage time & almost Never scored easy buckets…… And his Rookie stats were Still better than Boogie Cousins or Andre Drummond’s Rookie #’s on better teams……. W/ Simmons, Okafor will Easily avg 22+ ppg & that # will rise as he gets older……

Nerlens Noel is an Explosive leaper who rebounds, blocks shots, can guard off ball screens & he runs the floor in transition like a grey hound…….

Joel Embiid is 7’2” & more explosive than Noel & more Offenively skilled than Okafor……

After watching Steve Adams, Enus Kanter & Serge Ibaka wreack Havoc in the Playoffs …….. why would Phila trade Any of these 7 foot studs – All of whom are still 19 – 22 years of age???

Phila is holding a Full House……. They own swap rights w/ Sacramento next year & they still own the Lakers pick in a DEEP 2017 Draft………. & both Denver & Sacramento owe them a 1st round pick as well – Plus their own……. that’s in addition to the #24 & #26 picks from OKC & Miami in the 2016 Draft…….. 

So they’ll add Ben Simmons to those 7 footers & have 7 more 1st round picks over the next 3 Drafts to load up on Guards who can shoot…… & w/ that Loaded front court free agent guards will be Begging to play w/ those inside Studs……..

Phila should just be patient – they potentially have 3 Stars right now……… In 3-5 years they will Dominate the East…… This #1 pick & getting Simmons is a Game Changer…….. If a team knocks their socks off w/ an offer than yea maybe move Saric or Noel……… but Okaofr & Embiid are untouchable now that they have Simmons (IMHO)…….. the NBA will Always be about scoring & those 3 Command a Double team Every time………

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

1.Draft ingram(true building block of a winning team in the modern nba), keep everybody, evaluate/showcase them until february or the next draft.

You’ll have a clearer picture of your personnel(rookies to 3rd years), way more assets(as players), a ton of picks and cap.

+ 3 good to great picks in the next draft(lakers-heat), a better draft…with better fits.

Or

2. Draft Simmons and trade Okafor instantly for the best "1 or/and 2 or/and 3" package you can get for him.

Let Simmons be the stat stuffer he is, ROY, with defensive players around him(noel/embiid/grant) and wait for the talent upgrade at PG-SG-SF in the next draft, free agency or blockbuster trades.

You can’t seriously add players(on ball, 1 way player) to a logjam when you’re already a terrible, dysfunctionnal team with blatant holes and team needs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

1.Draft ingram(true building block of a winning team in the modern nba), keep everybody, evaluate/showcase them until february or the next draft.

You’ll have a clearer picture of your personnel(rookies to 3rd years), way more assets(as players), a ton of picks and cap.

+ 3 good to great picks in the next draft(lakers-heat), a better draft…with better fits.

Or

2. Draft Simmons and trade Okafor instantly for the best "1 or/and 2 or/and 3" package you can get for him.

Let Simmons be the stat stuffer he is, ROY, with defensive players around him(noel/embiid/grant) and wait for the talent upgrade at PG-SG-SF in the next draft, free agency or blockbuster trades.

You can’t seriously add players(on ball, 1 way player) to a logjam when you’re already a terrible, dysfunctionnal team with blatant holes and team needs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Philly can run a 4 man big rotation quite easily next season, Embiid will certainly be eased into rotation and Saric playing 20mpg initially would seem a fair amount of playing time to me.

Noel can be renewed this summer so it will be interesting to see what Philly do with him.

Embiid would need to establish himself to get his trade value back and would a team give up a huge amount knowing his injury past.

Perhaps the one who might be traded eventually could be Saric, he was drafted 12th and if he looks good in the NBA then his trade value vs his draft position could improve the most.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Philly can run a 4 man big rotation quite easily next season, Embiid will certainly be eased into rotation and Saric playing 20mpg initially would seem a fair amount of playing time to me.

Noel can be renewed this summer so it will be interesting to see what Philly do with him.

Embiid would need to establish himself to get his trade value back and would a team give up a huge amount knowing his injury past.

Perhaps the one who might be traded eventually could be Saric, he was drafted 12th and if he looks good in the NBA then his trade value vs his draft position could improve the most.

 

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

 I think there is a deal to be made on draft day between the Celtics and Philly. I don’t see the Celtics moving the 3rd pick plus Smart for Okafor or Noel but maybe the pick and Hunter, Rozier or Young. Maybe a future first too?

[natevalParticipant]

 I think there is a deal to be made on draft day between the Celtics and Philly. I don’t see the Celtics moving the 3rd pick plus Smart for Okafor or Noel but maybe the pick and Hunter, Rozier or Young. Maybe a future first too?

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Celtics will likely explore all options now they have number 3 pick. I’ve always said my feeling is that if Celtics ended up with 3rd pick or lower then  Danny Ainge may draft BPA and then maybe wait until FA opens to see what he can do there and if they got a top FA in then maybe flip the pick or a future package if they want to go truly win now.

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Celtics will likely explore all options now they have number 3 pick. I’ve always said my feeling is that if Celtics ended up with 3rd pick or lower then  Danny Ainge may draft BPA and then maybe wait until FA opens to see what he can do there and if they got a top FA in then maybe flip the pick or a future package if they want to go truly win now.

[TeslaBallerParticipant]

Yes it comes down to Noel or Oakafor. Keeping both big men for another half or full season is going to lead to the same conclusion. Neither Noel or Oakafor is a starting PF. You would think Noel could play PF and defend stretch 4s but he’s spent his basketball life being a defensive force from the C position, protecting the paint. Could he learn to be a PF, perhaps and he could also learn to shoot 20 footers but that’s never going to be where he’s most effective. You have to put your players in a position where they are most likely to succeed. 

I’m Proakafor. Jah is the starting C until Embiid proves he can play and stay healthy. Noel is the odd man out at the C position. 

What does Noel bring you in a trade? The Suns and Nuggets have lots of picks in this draft but they both have 2 Centers. The Hawks have 2 PGs maybe Noel and #24 or #26 this year gets you Teague or Schroeder. More than that, no thanks. Especially considering next year’s PG class. 

Bottom line, trading Oakafor would be a huge mistake. Noel is the first of the 3 Centers to be traded.

 

 

[TeslaBallerParticipant]

Yes it comes down to Noel or Oakafor. Keeping both big men for another half or full season is going to lead to the same conclusion. Neither Noel or Oakafor is a starting PF. You would think Noel could play PF and defend stretch 4s but he’s spent his basketball life being a defensive force from the C position, protecting the paint. Could he learn to be a PF, perhaps and he could also learn to shoot 20 footers but that’s never going to be where he’s most effective. You have to put your players in a position where they are most likely to succeed. 

I’m Proakafor. Jah is the starting C until Embiid proves he can play and stay healthy. Noel is the odd man out at the C position. 

What does Noel bring you in a trade? The Suns and Nuggets have lots of picks in this draft but they both have 2 Centers. The Hawks have 2 PGs maybe Noel and #24 or #26 this year gets you Teague or Schroeder. More than that, no thanks. Especially considering next year’s PG class. 

Bottom line, trading Oakafor would be a huge mistake. Noel is the first of the 3 Centers to be traded.

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would trade Saric and the 26th pick to the Celtics for 16, 22, and a cheap role player.

Saric might be the odd man out.  He probably has good trade value but he has yet to play in the league.

I take Ben Simmons then let the GM figure it out.

I TOTALLY AGREE with the above poster that the Thunder’s 3 headed monster is giving the Warriors fits…

Try to replicate that in Philly.  Let Ben Simmons run the show.

Then you fill out the rest of your roster with role players.

Get a guard next year.  

You can probably get Denzel Valentine and Tyler Ulis at 16 and 22.  They give you some perimeter depth and experience.  Should be good all-around players to put around Ben Simmons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would trade Saric and the 26th pick to the Celtics for 16, 22, and a cheap role player.

Saric might be the odd man out.  He probably has good trade value but he has yet to play in the league.

I take Ben Simmons then let the GM figure it out.

I TOTALLY AGREE with the above poster that the Thunder’s 3 headed monster is giving the Warriors fits…

Try to replicate that in Philly.  Let Ben Simmons run the show.

Then you fill out the rest of your roster with role players.

Get a guard next year.  

You can probably get Denzel Valentine and Tyler Ulis at 16 and 22.  They give you some perimeter depth and experience.  Should be good all-around players to put around Ben Simmons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

LOL at the 3 headed monster…

When you have 2 of the 5 best players in the world around them…

We’ll see which 3 headed "monster" goes further, between green-bogut-ezeli, love-thompson-frye and Adams-Ibaka-Kanter…. 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

LOL at the 3 headed monster…

When you have 2 of the 5 best players in the world around them…

We’ll see which 3 headed "monster" goes further, between green-bogut-ezeli, love-thompson-frye and Adams-Ibaka-Kanter…. 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Knowing Bryan Colengelo’s habits a swift trade could be made for instant gratification for the ownership or fans but I wouldn’t be so hasty to trade anybody unless I got a great offer. 

They still don’t know what they have in Embiid and if he will last a full 82 games or even 41. Then they have Noel who’s current stock due to immaturity is at an all time low and they would likely get nowhere near enough value back from. Okafor is way to talented to trade unless the return was large. Saric is a very good prospect and you have to see what you’ve got with him but he is the only true forward out of this bunch which makes him very unlikely to be traded.

If I were to guess who would most likely be traded I would say Nerlens Noel. Bryan Colengelo doesn’t really put up with boneheads on his rosters and if Noel doesn’t smarten up BC will traded him for roster space.

But really come on. Let’s see them win 30 games before they worry about minute distribution there’s enough minutes for those 5 players to all average 25 mpg and Simmons to average 30mpg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Knowing Bryan Colengelo’s habits a swift trade could be made for instant gratification for the ownership or fans but I wouldn’t be so hasty to trade anybody unless I got a great offer. 

They still don’t know what they have in Embiid and if he will last a full 82 games or even 41. Then they have Noel who’s current stock due to immaturity is at an all time low and they would likely get nowhere near enough value back from. Okafor is way to talented to trade unless the return was large. Saric is a very good prospect and you have to see what you’ve got with him but he is the only true forward out of this bunch which makes him very unlikely to be traded.

If I were to guess who would most likely be traded I would say Nerlens Noel. Bryan Colengelo doesn’t really put up with boneheads on his rosters and if Noel doesn’t smarten up BC will traded him for roster space.

But really come on. Let’s see them win 30 games before they worry about minute distribution there’s enough minutes for those 5 players to all average 25 mpg and Simmons to average 30mpg.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

With so many teams having multiple picks this year, there will be a lot of offers and counter offers flying about. Throw in a total draft wildcard like Thon Maker – if you were a GM with spare picks in the 20’s would you look to trade them or take a flyer on Thon?

The Jazz drafted Kanter when they had Millsap, Jefferson and Favors so Philly can run with a 4 man big unit if need be but Utah lost Millsap and Jefferson to FA and didn’t get a great return for Kanter so to move someone when all have trade value will probably make sense.

I fully agree we need to see how Embiid goes before any moves can be made.

[HitsterParticipant]

With so many teams having multiple picks this year, there will be a lot of offers and counter offers flying about. Throw in a total draft wildcard like Thon Maker – if you were a GM with spare picks in the 20’s would you look to trade them or take a flyer on Thon?

The Jazz drafted Kanter when they had Millsap, Jefferson and Favors so Philly can run with a 4 man big unit if need be but Utah lost Millsap and Jefferson to FA and didn’t get a great return for Kanter so to move someone when all have trade value will probably make sense.

I fully agree we need to see how Embiid goes before any moves can be made.

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