Who do you think will be a draft bust/underachiever
These should be people potential lottery picks top 14
Even if he's Kyle Korver 2.0 that's a bust...Aldrich will not ever be a starting caliber Center..when D12 dunks on him 5 or 6 times straight he'll fold like toilet paper....
Hayward, Motie , Aminu(not a bust but just not that good) , Davis , Orton
I can see Aldrich as a starter depending on the team but I know he would be a solid rotation guy of the bench for sure. I think for teams in need for a big man, you could put him there and he would not hurt you that much but I doubt he is an all star talent though. If Hayward goes top 15 he will be a bust because I dont see him making an immediate contribution and when he does he will be a role player. Guys like this normally go late 1st or early to mid second but somehow this guy is going lottery. Babbitt is not going to be a bust but teams after this pick if he does go 8 or 9 will get better players.
the way he let Andy Rautins take over late in games when Rautins sux....showed me he has no shot a being a worthy top 10 pick....BUst in the Making
Whiteside could be a bust but I think most people feel it will take him at least 3 to 4 years to contribute
does anyone else think cousins will be a bust? I think the only thing he will be good at is rebounding
@kaneburger He is 20-10/15 guy how he is just good on the boards.
I was just about to type what sheltwon3 said about Whiteside - his "bust" status wouldn't be known for at least 2-4 years.
Out of the top 14 - Ed Davis.
Orton and Aldrich
I think Derrick Favors has a chance to be a bust.
@kanebanger - I don't think he'll be a bust...but there's potential there for him to get caught up in the NBA lifestyle and maybe make questionable decisions on/off-court. But I don't know the kid and paraphrased reports on interviews aren't exactly the best gauge meter to go by.
I think Aldrich, the European guy, Favors, and Whiteside are going to be bust
i dont think he will ever average 20/10 or 15/10 imo
i think favors also has a slight chance to bust. i think he will need a really good passing point guard for him to develop. If he were to have a Steve Nash caliber passer he would do find cuz he would get tons of ez scores but if he has to make his own shots he will struggle
I don't think Favors will be a bust - it may just take him some time to come into his own.
And I don't see Cousins putting 15-20/10 a game - he was bigger/stronger than guys in the NCAA - that's not the same in the League.
I think Orton will be a major bust.
It's up to Cousins whether or not he's a bust. He has the physical tools, but does he have the mental tools? Supposedly several teams were not that impressed with him during the interview process.
I think Aldrich has the work ethic to at least be a contributor.
Whiteside is kind of an unknown commodity. He and Orton got absolutely dominated by Hilton Armstrong during a workout. Armstrong has career averages of 3.4 points and 2.6 rebounds a game, so I'd say that doesn't bode well.
Favors, Whiteside, Davis, Bradley, Orton and Johnson. Especially Wes Johnson.
i guess i will be that guy since we dont know everyone has a chance to be a bust ha ha ha ha lol Can we state why after we say a person. It is easy to say names but can you give a reason because when some say so and so is going to be a bust and I am like how I want to read something to suggest you are making a valid point
With Holiday as a Point Guard...Thats the new Payton Kemp Combo....But the Sixers may draft E.Turner,...Favors could be a Net and Bust...Or a T'Wolve and mega Bust....
Your coaching staff not putting you In right position is very underrated when talking Bust....
Chris Mihm before Alridge went to college instead of coming straight out abused Alridge. After two year and draft Alridge was a pretty good rookie and he is a solid player now. Armstrong is a solid Center legit bk up who just did not do well for New Orleans enough. That does not mean he can't play at all. Also once Orton and Whiteside develop things can change. Taking chance on big guys tend to happen a lot but with that you have had your bust but I think these guys talent and at least their attitude helps them because if they were on some other stuff they would have never worked out against Armstrong or each other. This does show that both should have stayed another year though.
Favors - Worst case, looks to be in the mold of Tyrus Thomas or Stromile Swift.... gifted athlete, but can he put it all together?
Whiteside - Worst case, looks like the body type of Mikki Moore and Marcus Camby. Skinny, Tall Pogo Stick type player.
Davis - See Whiteside.
Bradley - great undersized athlete, but can he do more than defend? Can he lead and/ or be a play maker?
Orton - I hope he is not the next Kendrick Perkins.
Wes Johnson - What's the hype over Corey Brewer with a slightly better jumper and more range?
Maybe I am little bias or whatever but I look at Favors and I cant see how he will be a bust. Especially if he goes to NJ. He will immediately be starting. He seems to have a great work ethic. Dude was 250 like 5 lb of body percent fat. that is not something common to have and still he can gain like 20 lb of muscle for looking at his build and still be fine. He would have to really try to be terrible to be a bust.
Aldrich is only a bust if you have high expectations. Mediocre big with no upside he can do that, but that is all you are getting. Any of the 19 years old centers are risky. Cousins is the only one with NBA strength and he has other concerns. If you want to gamble pick a 19 year old center.
Huh if Orton is the next Kendrick Perkins then you should take him at top 8. Orton already has legit post moves and counters though. Perkins is a commodity that a lot of teams would love to have despite the fact that he gets technicals and is a liability on offense outside of 3 feet.
You would spend a top 8 pick on Perkins?
Perkins is great for the Celtics. He is the 5th option, after thought, garbage man. He gets good numbers, plays good defense, but the opposing team has 4 other guys on the Celtics they have to worry about night in and night out. If Perkins beats you, I am pretty sure most coaches can live with that. I think they are more worried about the other 4 heating up.
I just don't see Perkins putting up similar numbers on any other team in the league.
You say you don't see how Favors will be a bust, but you just say a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with his skill level or how he'll project to the pros. Everyone knows he's athletic and physically gifted, but what skill does he have that's really that good? Whenever people talk about Favors, they say his "triangle numbers" (height, weight, athleticism) and never mention his skills.
He's going to be a role player who can produce good stats on losing teams, ala Chris Wilcox. Wilcox has never been a polished player, but he has been productive in situations where the team was rebuilding and not really worried about winning (Clippers, Sonics). Favors is going to be the same type of player as Wilcox. I've seen Favors play A BUNCH of times in person and on TV living in Atlanta. He'll be productive for some teams, but with the Nets he won't really score too much or be the defender his size suggests he'll be. He compliments Lopez pretty well, but he's not going to have the high level production expected of a top 3 pick, especially in the early going.
nba strength what is that? kevin durant cant bench press 180 and hes one of the best players today. Speed/agility/explosiveness/ are the main ingredients to a star even for a post player
I think this draft has a number of candidates. It is so far full of people who have yet to achieve close to their potential, even more so than most drafts. This years freshman class did not really kill it in college, and that is sort of just being forgotten. I mean, John Wall and Evan Turner seem like the closest thing you get to sure things, so that is why they are consensus 1/2 (with John Wall just being on a different plain completely). Favors seems like he could be solid, though he was disappointing. Wesley Johnson also seems like a contributor, but he is not ideal as a top 5 pick. I for one think Al-Farouq Aminu is a baller, he has a very nice skill set and I think it will work out well for him in the NBA. He moves very well and I think he will develop into a good shooter over time (not 3 point range, but mid range). So, with my players I think will succeed, here are those most likely to fail.
DeMarcus Cousins: I would take him as high as 2, but he shows the signs. It is a huge boom or bust pick. His lack of athleticism is slightly troubling as far as him being a top flight center, but I think he has so much potential to grow as an athlete. But will he work and fulfill this immense potential? If he drops his body fat levels and works on his stamina, we could be looking at a beast. But honestly, that is a huge if. Huge enough where you have to maybe say it will not happen. I honestly think most of those Kentucky guys, depending on where they are picked, have bust potential. Daniel Orton has to be one.
Cole Aldrich: Speaking of underachievers, this was supposed to be his huge year. Pre-season player of the year awards, the new prototype center prospect. Well, I for one just think he looks like a bust. He killed Psycho T a few years ago defensively, but trying guarding Nene, Dwight Howard or Yao Ming. His shot is so freaking unorthodox, and while it may not be terrible, it is not great either. I just do not see him being much of an NBA player, and it is just because he is not really a smooth athlete or a power big. He is just average, I think at best.
Hassan Whiteside: It is just something about his attitude. He seems like he is beyond cocky, and he could just get shaken. He needs to work on his all-around game, but at the same time realize his strengths. If he thinks he is KG, he is bloody dreaming. Here is the deal, if he thinks he is a 3 point shooting wing Center, well, teams like them only to a point. Chances are, if you are looking for your shot on the perimeter, you are more than likely not hitting the offensive boards. Which means, chances are, you are not helping your team as much as hurting them. While perimeter centers help draw out the defense and maybe make it easier to drive to the basket without a defensive low post threat, but it usually only works so well. Give me a center who will be a post threat on both ends of the floor. That is what Hassan will have to do, and their seems like their could be doubt to this happening. The guy is so long that he could gain some weight and still be a shot blocking threat just due to his length. But while I like his ability to block shots, his propensity for believing the own hype in his offensive game scares me.
Devin Ebanks: He is falling accordingly, but I just never saw him do much that really impressed me. He could still end up being a fairly high pick, but I am not a huge Ebanks guy. I always liked Aminu better, and I would take a number of other more solid basketball 3's over him as well. That includes Gordon Heyward and Luke Babbitt. Both of them could go to high, but I still would guess they will be bigger contributors than Ebanks.
Those are some that stand out as possibilities to me. They all have a lot of potential, and I hope the best for all of them, but they all show signs of being busts. Orton, Patterson and Bledsoe are all included too, but again, it is depending on where they are picked. If Patterson is picked over Cousins, that is weak. I think Orton should go last out of them, and Bledsoe is a nice athlete, but he is small and seems to be a dime a dozen PG.
Patterson is not going to be a bust picked in the 7-12 range. He is a hard worker and has an NBA body. 2 years ago his knock was that he only played inside and had no range. This year to make room for Cousins and to improve his own stock, he had to play further out from the hoop. He now has range out to 19 feet, but given the situation, he is not scared to bang down low. He is a team player, he can fit in where he needs to be to make a team's chemistry work.
first of i like how mikeyvthedon always has the longest posts
I dont think ebanks will be a bust, how will you be a bust of you're picked at 20-2nd round?
I think, Hayward,Aldrich, and Orton are going to be busts
Hayward, i just dont see anything special in him, he's not a great shooter
not a great athlete, he's really not that good, and i dont see why people are liking him..
Aldrich, for me is going to be a rotation player, but i really dont believe he deserves top 10
Daniel Orton has proven nothing at all. If you get dominated by Hilton Armstrong,
a bench warmer, then that just means that well,,, you suck
As for Whiteside,i really believe he should have stayed one more year,
he could have been top 5 next year. i dont think he will be a bust since i really think
he needs 3-5 years before he reaches his potential i see him as maybe a 15-9 guy with
3 blocks a game after maybe 7 or 8 years in the nba
As for patrick patterson, i dont think he will be a bust
the team that drafs him should know that he will not be a star, he could be a starter maybe
average 8 and 8 at his prime, he will be a regular starter not a star not close to a star
but he is a hard worker and is really consistent
Oh and Donatas motiejunas will be a bust too
He is for me an overrated shooter, a BAD rebounder, has not that good post skills and pplays absolutely no defence, he should be taken at the 18-30 range and not in the lottery
You guys have to realize your expectations for a lot of these players are skewed, very skewed. If 3 players out of the 60 players selected turn out to be stars then I consider that in itself a good draft. If an additional 5 players become good players, and an additional 8-10 become role players that adds up to 16-18 guys in the draft being successful. Which I believe is a very successful draft.
Also, i agree with Knicksfan
in a draft, there is most of the time only 1 or 2 superstars, 3-5 all-stars,6-10 starters
and some role-players, in the lottery, there are probably 2 or 4 underachievers
no draft ever had the top 14 all being contributors Never there is always busts every year. Bust would be someone who doesnt come close to living up to the hype so someone cant be that hyped up if they are drafted second round or late in the first right?
I agree with scarecrow215. I'm not trying to sound racist but every year in the draft the media gets behind an American white guy and hypes him to the moon and he gets drafted 15 spots too early (Joe Alexander, Tyler Hansbrough) this year its Hayward who will be a bust. Next year it will be Kyle Singler.
I've seen Favors play a lot too and no way he will be a role player. I will be suprised if he is not an all star and his skills are a lot better than some people give him credit for.
What skill? His post game/skill level is exactly what everyone makes it out to be. He's very dependent on his athleticism. He's a bad ball-handler, his only even decent low post move is a drop step, he is a very raw and inconsistent shooter, and he's not a good passer. What skill is better than it's given credit for. We all know he can run and jump, but what skill does he have that's underrated?
Gordon Hayward I'm just not impressed by him.
i've been reading a lot of blogs on espn insider about how whiteside reminds them of tyrus thomas in interviews. i don't know if anyone remembers thomas thought he was god's gift to basketball and could play small forward in the nba with his awesome jumper. just reading the interview on nbadraft.net about whiteside, i thought most of it showed that he wasn't like that until the end. when asked who his game reminds him of and he replied a shot blocking kg, i was like seriously, you averaged 13 points and 9 boards in a weak conference. kg's career averages are 20 and 11. he might end up being a better shot blocker, but kg comparison's are a little early hassan.
I like Hayward, a lot. Now to say he is going to be a bust it will depend on where he gets selected, and what one's expectations are for him. If you expect Hayward to be the next Larry Bird, then yeah he will be a bust. Though, if you expect Hayward to be a good role player or a solid 6th man, then I don't think he will be a bust. Rather he will flourish in that position. Hayward is a winner who will do whatever it takes to help his team win. I personally think Hayward can be a lot like Lamar Odom depending on how his body fills out (ButlerBulldogs aka Tezo has always stressed that Hayward is only 19, he is not done filling out his body). I don't think Hayward will put up the same production as Odom, it will be similar though. I see Hayward as a point forward.
Odom is a career 14-9-4 guy. I see Hayward being a 12-5-3 type of guy.
People once thought Darius Miles/Stromile Swift/Marcus Fizer/Kwame Brown/Tyson Chandler/Eddy Curry/Eddie Griffin were going to be Amazing all stars and they are all scrubs