Who Do The Cavs Target In Draft and Tristan Thompsons Impact.
When Cav's selected Irving in the draft I thought it was a nice pick just because there aren't many elite PG's that are going to enter the draft in the next few years so this was something they needed to move forward as a franchise.
When they selected Tristan Thompson a lot of heads were turned. I actually loved the pick because it gave Kyrie a running mate who he happened to also take the bus too the draft with. Kyrie and Tristan grew up together on the AAU circuits and have extremely combatable personalities. I ever went as far as to wonder if Kyrie had any imput on the pick.
But the Cavs did leave Jonas V. on the board to pick Thompson which could come back to haunt them. Thompson offers a lot of energy and defense tho underneath. I really liked him at Texas and thought he was by no means a reach with the 4th pick because he has that kind of talent. He's a shot block phenom who also knows how to mix it up in the post. But Thompson is not versatile on offense. He still can't shoot and IMO is more of a PF/C then a combo forward. His skill set is better playing C even tho he's slightly undersized, then it would be for a SF.
So in my eyes the Cavs got their PG and PF of the future. I don't believe Thompson will be able to play any other position but PF but he's in the Kenyon Martin mold and will have success eventually on both ends playing PF.
But leaving record aside who do the Cavs target in the draft especially if they get the 1st pick? Anthony Davis is another pure PF and I don't know where he fits in with Thompson around. Does anybody think Davis can play SF or C in the league? Measurements will be a huge factor because if Davis measure in closer to 6'11 he might be able to play C down the road. We don't get to see him handle the ball much at Kentucky but I also believe Davis has the talent to play SF.
If Drummond is in the draft do you think the Cavs take him 1st since he's a clear cut C in the NBA?
Or do you think the Cavs biggest need is on wing. And if so who is the best fit for them, would it be Barnes? I think Perry Jones III will be able to play SF in the league but he's another guy who might be best suited at PF. Terrence Ross, Bradley Beal, Austin Rivers, and Jeremy Lamb are all options.
Quincy Miller is another intriguing name if he declares and could mesh well with the Cavs as pure SF. Thomas Robinson, Moultrie, and Sullinger are all PF's so I can't see the Cavs looking at either of them tho I think Moultrie and Sullinger can both play some C in the league.
Anyways, what are your guys thoughts on this. Who would you target in the draft if your the Cavs front office? Who do you think is the best fit? Or would you draft a guy like Davis and let him figure it out because he's too good to pass on and possibly look to trade Thompson.
Cavs most likely won't be bad enough to have a top 3 pick so I'm not considering Davis or Drummond right now. I think Lamb Kidd-Gilchrest or Barnes would be ideal to fill needs.
If they get the 1st pick (which is highly unlikely btw ) they will Draft Davis (unless Andre entered the draft and proved to be better prospect )
He is the best player right now in this draft,they will get him and just trade Thompson ,or wait and figure what can they do in the floor together
Thanks Chilbert. And I know they're not bad enough but they are bad enough to finished with maybe the 7th worse record and that's enough for them to get lucky and land a top 2 pick. The Bulls were 8th when they got Rose. The Sixers were 6 when they moved up for better or worse to grab Turner at 2.
And MKG and Thompson would provide a great forward tandem that would wreak havoc on defense. Byron Scott would no doubt have flashbacks of Kidd-Jefferson-Martin, with Irving-MKG-Thompson.
But considering they're a defensive team in need of scoring who would they select our of MKG, Barnes, and Lamb? Do they keep with the defense and go with MKG? Or do they get themselves another scorer to pair with Irving in Barnes. Or do they settle for a little of both with Lamb?
Rivers or Barnes would fit perfect there
Tristan is too short to start full time at Center and Davis might be too thin. But Davis will eventually fill out and be able to play Center tho with his all around versatility it might not be the best fit.
Can anybody see Davis playing SF or C full time in the league? If he were able to play C that would give the Cavs a dynamite tandem underneath of Davis and Thompson protecting the rim. These 2 gives would instantly give the Cavs a very formidable shot blocking presence.
I can't wait to see the measurements. They were saying at Kentucky's last game that Davis's wingspan grew to 7'6. If his wingspan grew I wonder if he grew to be around 6'11. If Davis is closer to 6'11 with a 7'6 wingspan he undoubtedly can start at C in the league.
But if he isn't drafting Drummond wouldn't be a reach or a bad idea. Drummond and Thompson would isntantly be one of the most athletic frontcourts in the league and would also provide menacing shot blocking.
I still question MKGs jump shot so I'm not as sold on him as I am on Lamb and Barnes. MKG obvioulsy makes up for it with his defense and energy but I think the Cavs need more scoring on the wing and the other two would fit better.
Really Rivers? Him and Kyrie would be fun to watch together but Rivers is so ball dominant you don't think that would cause some chemistry issues? Or could you see Rivers developing into an Eric Gordon type SG in the league? That's certainly possible and if he does he would be a great fit.
If undecided on if Barnes is a better fit for that system then Lamb or MKG. But Barnes shooting ability certainly puts him ahead of them right now. If UConn was having a better year and living up to expectations I would probably be saying Lamb right now but they're not.
Terrence Ross is a sleeper who could also wind up becoming a great fit in Cleveland because he can defend and hit the otuside shot. Also Brad Beal is another pure shooter who could compliment Irving well.
I think the Cavs should be looking to provide Kyrie and Thompson with some outside shooting to open up the court and all of the SG's in this class seem to provide that in some fashion.
Another question is if the Cavs do land let's say the 3rd pick and Drummond and Davis are off the board who would be atop your big boards for them? Barnes, Jones III, or possibly Sullinger. Sullinger measured in at the exact same height and wingspan as Al Horford so he should be able to play C in the league. And Perry Jones might just be too good to pass on, I really think Jones will be a better pro then college player, I've been obsessed with Baylor since he stepped on campus.
Davis is the guy that you have to take at #1 if we were so lucky to get another pick that high in this years draft. I like Thompson, but Davis is a superstar, Thompson will be lucky to make the all-star team. So if Davis is simply a PF, he is worth it no matter who you have to get rid of. Beyond that miracle:
I will be in the minority here, but I am not a huge fan of Harrison Barnes. I believe he has the potential to be great, but if you watch full NC games, you will not even realize Barnes is on the floor half the time. His shot isn't quite good enough to be considered an elite perimeter shooter and he is seriously lacking in finishing skills at the rim outside of transition buckets. I wish I had statistics to back up what I have seen with my 2 eyes, but non-transition points in the paint is not a stat I can find easily. If anyone can, I would gladly admit I was wrong if the stats prove otherwise. Terrence Jones will be a better NBA player in my opinion because you guessed it, he can finish at the rim.
If we end up where I believe we will which is 7-10, we may luck into Lamb/Beal/Rivers (if he comes out). I have a slight concern about Rivers because of how much he demands the ball, but Lamb/Beal would start at SG for the Cavs immediately, and Terrence Jones would as well.
i dont understand what pure shooter and great range people see in beal. all those allen comparisons are ridiculus
I have honestly not seen enough of Beal to say that for sure, but the Ray Allen comparison from what I have seen is not close. I like his form on his jump shot and physically he is 100% NBA ready. I consider him more of a complete player than a knock down shooter.
Beal is much closer to Eric Gordon than Ray Allen.
They'll take someone who can play off Irving's creation, top choices being Lamb and Barnes. Ross, Beal, Rivers, and Miller won't be top 5 choices. They won't be in position to take either Davis (who will play center, Camby 2.0) or Drummond (who I think will go first regardless of whether he should or not).
If Barnes , J. Lamb, Gilchrist and Beal are all off the board by the time the Cavs pick ( of course Davis and Drummond will most likely be one and two) ... maybe they take T. Zeller or M. Leonard with their late lotto pick and hope that a two gard like W. Buford or W. Barton fall in their laps with their second round pick. Zeller or Leonard with Varejao moving back to the 4 along with Irving and Barton/ Buford at the 2 ... and thats not a bad starting unit.
Ross is also a very good fit for the Cavs and wouldn't mind seeing him on the team, but top 10 might be too high for him. I think he is a complete player though.
I put out the scenario not leaving any options closed, and it's entirely possible for the Cavs to get the 1st pick or a top 3 pick. I really like what they got going in Cleveland but if Kyrie hit's a rookie wall after the All Star break they're gonna start sinking fast. But that might even be for the better because another high draft pick will solidy their young core going forward. And you think Davis will play C in the league? And BTW as reported by numerous sources Davis is on his own tier atop every teams draft board.
Nice to hear from an actual Cavs fan. Are you rooting for them to make the playoffs or lose? I would be rooting for them to be competitive but find a way to lose because they still need pieces which the draft will provide. And as for your Harrison Barnes stat, Synergy has that stat which shows you a players percentage at finishing at the rim in a half court setting, but it;s like $30 to join. I do believe Barnes is a pure shooter because his 3 point % is outstanding and hetakes a lot of them, plus he has a silky smooth shot. He does have trouble finishing in traffic but he's also been measured as 6'9 in shoes and has a high BB IQ which would pare nicely with Irving. Also if the Cavs did somehow land the first pick and got Davis would you want them to play him at C or SF and start alongside Thompson or would you want them to look to move Thompson? I personally would rather have Thompson and Davis starting together and denying every entry into the lane.
As said Cavs pick will probably bee between 7 and 10 so we can say that Drummond ( if he enters), Davis, Barnes and Lamb will be probably of the board. As obvious they are not looking for a point guard and with a high probablity they will not take a PF because they've just drafted Thompson. They are also high on Anderson Varejao so I think they will look for a 2 or 3. It see it coming to Beal, MKD, Rivers or Quincy Miller. I'm concern with the akward release of Quincy Miller and also MKD jumpshot does not look so well so I would choose between Beal and Rivers. Beal is more NBA ready, great athlete, nice defender, very good shooter. I would compare him more to Eric Gordon than Ray Allen. I see him fiting well with Irving. By drafting him they will can have an elite backcourt for years. Would like to see him in a Cavs uniform in the 2012/2013 season
So hubbub Beal is your pick? I like Beal a lot although I'm concerned with him measuring only 6'3 in shoes making him strictly a SG at the next level. Out of the options you said I would probably lean toward Quincy Miller, because although he has an awkward release he's a really good shooter and I think he has an extremely high ceiling.
Also Perry Jones III is slipping on mocks, so if he arounds would you take him just because of his potential? I would without hesitation. Jones III will be able to play SF in the league and he's a much better prospect then a lot of people realize.
Brad Beal will be able to contribute immediately and be steady for a team, but yeah. He's no Ray Allen. He's not even Eric Gordon. He's less explosive athletically than Gordon is, but he has the same kind of traits. He's got a good jumper and he looks like an NBA SG already, but he needs to improve his handle more, but he does have a refined skill set to just be a Fr.
I like Perry Jones, I see that he has elite potential but I just think that Beal is a better fit for the Cavs. I not quite sure that Jones handles will alow him to play at the small forward. He needs to work on it. I also think when Cavs will be chosing he will be gone because of his potential.
I just like the posibility os Irving and Beal playing. There are some voices concerning his height but no one concers his defense so I think that not a big issue.
Are you sure Beal is less explosive than Gordon? Have you seen that?
I'd say the Cavs finish the season with a late lottery pick. Which means Beal, Ross, Rivers, Marshall, Leonard, Henson, and Wroten will be available. I agree that Thompson will be more in the PF mold. If I were to compare him, it would be to Tyrus Thomas, but I think he has a better attitude and is more mature than Thomas is. Maybe Serge Ibaka is a better comparison. So PF is already filled up. That takes Henson off the board. Leonard could work, but I have a bad feeling he could be a bust. Irving is doing extremely well so that takes Marshall out of the mix. There really isnt too many SF's to consider other than Ross. There are a lot of SG in those that are left (Beal, Rivers, Wroten and to an extent Ross.) So I'd say go for a SG. A backcourt of Irving and Beal or Irving and Rivers would be really electric. High shooting percentage, high scoring, hard and almost impossible to stop. Drafting Wroten on the other hand would not work out because even though he is a great scorer, he is a horrible shooter and plays a lot like Tyreke Evans. Irving is really an underrated passer, and so it would not be a good idea to pair him with someone who is also a good passer a la Wroten as it would take away from his playmaking opportunities. (Look at Holiday and Iggy in Philly as a prime example) Ross could work but I'd say he is more of a SF than a SG and I think a SF would I be the ideal player to target in the 2013 draft based on what will be available. SG looks like the best route, so I'd say Beal or Rivers.
Highly doubt they'll be picking that high this year with team playing this well..
Just like the current mock draft I see Terrance Ross filling in nicely on the wing
"Are you sure Beal is less explosive than Gordon? Have you seen that?"
Yes Im sure, and yes I've seen the highlight.
I feel the Cavs need to get a scorer to help take some of the burden off of Irving. Its going to come down to Harrison Barnes, Brad Beal, Austin Rivers, or Jeremy Lamb if he's still on the board when they pick. Barnes or Beal would be my choice depending on availability
I like MKG for his toughness and motor. He's a good athlete with a
good basketball IQ it seems like. Coach Cal compared him to Derrick Rose,
which is probably a bit of hyperbole, but Coach Cal knows talent and MKG has
upside. With a point guard like Irving the Cavs need a guy who can run with Irving and
finish, as well as matchup against leading wing players.
I actually think Fab Melo would be a good pick too. He is a good center
prospect with legit skills. He's good on defense and can block shots. The two
most important positions are pg and center so the Cavs might have both those spots
locked up for the future if they get Melo.
Last year I thought that the Cavs should not take a power forward in last year's draft since this year's draft is
fairly deep at power forward with Davis, Jones, Thomas Robinson, and Jared Sullinger.
Ironically, OSU's Sullinger might be the best guy on the board but they went with Tristan Thompson last year.
The Cavs need to focus on getting the best player available who would fit with Kyrie Irving. If it's MKG at the wing
or Melo at center then great but if the best guy on the board is Perry Jones then you take him and play both young
bigs together or bring Thompson of the bench. Utah and Minnesota are two young teams with a lot of big
forwards, so this might be the trend.
In this league you need a Big Three. They have one of those guys with Irving, now they need to get one more.
Then either TT is the third guy in the Big Three or he is gonna be an energy power forward you bring
off the bench (which would still be a nice luxury to have). With TT on board though I don't think they need to go
after John Henson since he seems similar to Thompson. Sullinger and Robinson look solid but I wouldn't pass up
Perry Jones (more upside) to get them. What they want ideally is a game changer so if those guys are gone then you look at Harrison
Barnes and Will Barton.
Ideally, if the Cavs get a top 3 pick and Anthony Davis is there then they should take Davis and bring
TT off the bench (or go small at times). I wouldn't pass up a guy with superstar potential because they already
have Tristan Thompson.
In the U18 World Games Rivers and Irving were in the same starting backcourt together and they displayed amazing chemistry. The two are friends and I think they would play together really well and form quite a good backcourt. I think Rivers is the pick, and I thought this before even tonight, which was amazing (except for UNC fans).
IF we got lucky enough to get Davis, Andy is probably the guy that would be moved eventually and not Thompson. Andy has the most value, and I am 100% sure that Davis can be a dominant center in this league (he can probably put on 20 pounds of muscle). I do think his best position is PF, and although he used to be a guard, I am not sure about him playing SF in the NBA. He certainly has the ball handling skills to do so and is athletic, so I am sure he can float between the 2 forward/center spots.
I am not going to be dropping $30 to join just for the stats on finishing at the rim, but I think I have watched enough to know he has not been very good at it. I am just not sure he has a better shot even than Kyrie (course Irving's shot is very good). It may just be a product of the NC system and them never really isolating players or using a "go to guy" down the stretch, but he does disappear for extended minutes in college. If he fell to where the Cavs pick (cause guessing 10 or so) I would obviously take him in a second.
If somehow the lottery gods smile upon Cleveland and they land a 5-8 pick I think they have to get MKG. I think he'd be a great fit for that team and he's got a lot of room to grow as a player as well.
If not, I think Terrance Ross or Doron Lamb would be solid choices in the 10-14 range for them to get. Pairing another young guard with Irving in hopes they develop into the back court of their future is something I would pursue over trying to snag a SF with MKG off the board. I don't think Perry Jones can play SF at the next level either, I think NBA teams will make him hit the weight room and develop him as a stretch PF.
I am not sure that I follow you here. If the lottery gods smile on Cleveland again, they are picking 1-3. You can't jump up to 5-8. Anyways, MKG is a solid player, but an all-star he is not. He will start in the NBA for sure, but he is not much better than what the Cavs have now in Alonzo Gee. In fact, Gee's shot is the weakest part of his game, but his form is leaps and bounds ahead of MKG's. As bad as MKG's form is, it will take years of work on his jumper if ever to make him a consistent shooter.
I am a huge fan of Terrance Ross if the Cavs pick around 10 as I suspect they will.
Depending on positioning in the draft, I think they take Barnes or Beal. Both can really score it and both have winning attitudes and that confidence you look for in a prospect. I also think both are very coachable and will instantly help a young cavs roster
Stern will not let the #1 pick slip away from the Hornets. That being said, I think the Cavs still need a general talent upgrade, which suggests they take BPA (assuming that isn't a point guard). I think Barnes would be the ideal fit as he plays well without the ball, is a solid shooter and is humble and I think would mesh well with Irving and TT, but there is no guarantee he'll be available.
I find it interesting that is the Cavs do land a top 3 pick but not the first one nobody has mentioned Andre Drummond as choice. I think if the Cavs got lucky enough to land the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft with Davis gone and if Drummond enters which after Jim Calhoun taking a leave of abstence he will do now, that nobody mentioned the prospects of pairing Drummond wit Kyrie and TT.
Also I realize like TT as a prospect and think he will develop into a 15-8-2 blocks a game type of player that provides monster defense on other elite PF's.
But as far as wings I would be considering Ross, Barnes, And Jeremy Lamb before Beal and Rivers strictly because those guys can play both wing spots as Rivers and Beal project to be only able to play SG.
I mentioned the lotto gods smiling on them because they are only the 9th worst team in the NBA and 4 teams are within a game of them. IF they end up with as many ping pong balls as the 12th or 13th lotto team it would take some serious luck to end up with a 5-8 pick.
They aren't really that bad this year, just not very good.