I don't pretend to be an expert on all things NBA but I have some ideas about what Cleveland should do and why.
If they take Irving with the #1 then next to go might be Williams and Kanter after that. Then the next best player might just be Knight another PG, shades of Minny's draft.
So they must take Williams, then they are in the drivers seat because any one of the next best 3 players will fall into their laps. It could be Knight, Kanter or even Irving. Any one of those players makes for a great core to build on. IMO you need bigs that can score and do other things well. With Williams and Kanter you get that. If both can be had you have the makings of a great 1-2 punch for the next 10 years, or even assets to be used to trade for a veteran later on.
Cleveland already has some assets and can probably acquire 1 or even 2 more first round picks later in the draft. With that they could find a serviceable facilitator PG to feed Williams and Kanter the ball. Notice both teams in the finals did not have a great PG. The winner was the team with the 7 foot player who scored. Scoring bigmen are the key, they have the most tradeable value and are players most easily built around. Without a big to score your team will be stopped in the playoffs as the Bulls found out. If Noah had a short jumper they wold have won, he doesn't and passed up a lot of open shots.
Cleveland also has the assets to move up or down or add more picks. But by drafting Williams they are in the drivers seat and it changes the whole draft in so many ways like dominoes falling.
Williams and Kanter would be very nice.
They would also have a shot at a Williams and Irving combo.
An expert on all things NBA?
First off, welcome to nbadraft.net(I could tell your new here). As far as #1 pick goes, I'm thinking Derrick Williams SHOULD be their first pick, despite what other say, but I think they WILL select Kyrie Irving. That's what I've been hearing.
yes derrick williams
with very few exceptions I think teams should take the best player available according to their scouts. It would be great to try and arranage things so that they get 2 stars but looking over past drafts and the success/lack of success rate of NBA picks is not great so I would just go with who they think is rated higher when their turn comes up. That being said I would not take Irving and Knight at 1 & 4 I just would not pass on someone who I have rated higher thinking I can fill that position later. Same thing for all the teams with multiple picks in the first round.
If Jonas doesn't have a contract issue...I say Irving and Jonas...gives you a good PG and C to build around...that's just me though
If you believe the Cavs draft board reads: 1)Irving 2)Williams 3)Kanter 4)Knight or 1)Irving 2)Kanter 3)Williams 4)Knight with little to no separation in their overall grading of the players followed by a considerable drop off in grading, then there is a case for taking Williams or Kanter being taken first, but it is not a certainty they feel that way. For all anyone knows, they might have Jan Vesely, Kawhi Leonard, Tristan Thompson, Marcus Morris, Kemba Walker, Jonas Valanciunas, Jimmer Fredette, etc. in that group above Williams, Kanter, or Knight. I am not making the case that they do, I'm just saying you probably don't know either. If they happen to really like Jan Vesely (just to throw out a name) and have him and Derrick Williams graded out similarly, then they would not fear going with Irving first and then face the possibility of Kanter and Williams going 2nd and 3rd.
Sure they could have all those folks rated higher, but it would be silly to do so. Williams, Irving, Fredette and Walker are the only guys who dominated their league last year. The Euros have nice upside but none of them were actually dominant in their league. Fredette and Walker are too slow and short, respectively, to make the jump to NBA dominance. I really see no reason not to take either Irving or Williams. And since Knight looks like a good NBA point guard and he will be available at 4th pick, the Cavs should take Williams. I don't know why the Mocks all have Irving going first since it seems so easy to get two upgrades if they take Williams.
i agree by selecting williams they are giving themselves a good chance of having irving or knight available to them at the 4th pick.
Even if they end up with Williams and Kanter, they should be very happy!
Williams, Hickson, Kanter...if they all pan out, that would be NASTY.
Plus, they would need to trade Sessions or Baron Davis with the selection of Irving. All three can start or be the first man off the bench. Davis is pretty much untradeable, though, and Sessions would need to be part of a larger deal, but the Cavs dont have any other tradable assets other than Hickson, who they should keep.
Derrick Williams should be their pick.
Williams is the pick for me. Irvings concerns:
-a whopping 12 college games played
-refused all athletic tests, refused combine timed shooting drills, refused competitive workouts
-not an athletic freak like Rose or Wall
What you wrote makes a lot of sense and it would be a scenario BUT the thing is there are many other factors which will come into the mix when they will decide who to select. Because they have the 4th pick and because they don't know who Utah is going to select, your scenario would be the safer, however, considering that Utah is in love with Knight and that Kanter may still be available, Irving may be their best pick. There is one factor you didn't take in account for Cleveland's pick, it's next year draft! Whoever the Cavaliers add to their roster, the team won't make the playoffs, they will have another lottery choice in 2012. Next year draft will be full of promising SF, if they can't get Harrison Barnes, they still have Perry Jones, Michael Gilchrist and few others. My opinion is that Cleveland should select Irving because building the team will take more than one year.
1. There is no gaurantee that Knight will be there at 4. What if Minnesota take Irving at 2 and Utah takes Knight at 3?
2. Both Williams and Kanter project as PowerForwards in the cavs princeton offense is doesn't make sense to draft that combo as Hickson is the Cavs most promising young player.
3. Byron Scott has had success with having an elite facilitator run his offense. Jason Kidd back to back NBA Finals apperences and CP3 game 7 of the Western Conference Finals.
I dont see how Irving isn't a perfect fit. I'm sorry i just feel the " Draft Derrick Williams 1st " group of cavs fans are trying to argue that the Earth is flat.
I'll be honest. I think the Cavs should draft BPA regardless of position. I'm just not high on Hickson, I'm really not.
Did everyone forget how good Varajeo is? They can absolutely move him for more peices, or use him to protect a young inside player. With Hickson and two good picks (Williams/Knight, Irving/Jonas, Irving/Kanter), they could end up at least Hawks level within 2-3 years.