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Who is the better player D-Will or CP3?

Let's settle this argument right now. My opinion is that Williams is the better player. Paul gets all the hype and is too flashy. D-Will is much bigger than Paul too Williams is 6'3 207 lbs and Paul is 6'0 175 lbs. Paul puts up betetr numbers because he has no supporting cast. If Williams was on the hornets I am sure that he would put up similar numbers to Paul's maybe even better. Williams always out plays Paul head to head. Even in college D-Will outplayed CP3. When they played on December 1st, 2004 Wake Forest was ranked the #1 team in college basketball, D-Will led Illinois to a 91-73 victory. Williams had 8 points, 11 assists, and 5 rebounds, while Paul had 10 points, 6 assists, and 5 rebounds. D-Will is the best point guard in the NBA right now no if's or but's about it.


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I found this article like a

I found this article like a month ago. The criteria he uses to se who is better is who is better at scoring, Mid-range and 3-point shooting, Assists and passing, Speed and agility, Defense, Strength, and Ball Handling.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/401760-head-to-head-chris-paul-vs-der...

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I dont think the size of the

I dont think the size of the player matters...i'll agree with you about deron williams being the top PG but not because of any of your aforementioned arguments

heres why
1) he doesn't have this prima donna attitude that chris paul has
2) he is deadly when its crunch time
3) his body language on the court is always positive unlike chris pauls, in general hes a better floor leader

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When both are healthy Chris

When both are healthy Chris Paul is the better player. Williams had a good season last year and people are overrating him. He's not better then Chris Paul. I don't care what one on one matchups mean. When Paul is playing for a Hornet squad- They are a legit playoff team.

Let's even look at Paul and Williams' best seasons

Chris Paul- 22ppg, 11apg, 5rpg and 2.8 spg

Deron Williams- 19ppg, 10.7 apg, 2rpg and 1.3 spg

It's not even close....

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hmmm

collison seemed to prove this past season that williams is but we will see how paul responds this year ...

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collison seemed to prove this

collison seemed to prove this past season that williams is but we will see how paul responds this year ...

Please explain....

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collison started and stepped up to the point that he averaged similar numbers to chris paul during his absense ... collison aveaged 18 and 9 a game during that time span and while they didnt go on to win 60 games or even contend in the west, theres few point guards in the NBA who can step in Utah if Williams goes down and damn near match him stat for stat ... and i promise, theres just about nobody straight out of college who can do it

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Aren't there offenses different though?

It seems like the Hornets play at a much higher tempo leading to more points for paul. Also it is foolish to say that they "aren't even close." They are in fact very close which is why this is such a frequent argument.

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That's a opinion that's it's

That's a opinion that's it's even a close argument.

I think Paul is head and shoulders above Williams. I think Williams is good, really good but he's nowhere in CP3's league to me.

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They are very close. If I

They are very close. If I had to choose, I would take Williams, as he is probably better in the half court, and in the playoffs, teams need to be able to produce consistently in the half court. He also puts up his numbers for a slower tempo team that's style of play doesn't create quite as high stats. Paul may be better in the open court, and is a little better shooter, so he probably would be best for an up tempo team.

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how good of a teammate is

how good of a teammate is chris paul? how supportive is chris paul of his teammates?

he claimed he wanted to play with another superstar...what does david west think about that comment? he's been with the hornets longer than CP3 has...does he get to complain and beg for a trade too?

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D-Will is probably flashier

D-Will is probably flashier than CP3.... I think they're neck and neck to be honest, I'm not one to usually not take a stand but I'm not quite sure who is better at this point.

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Give me Chris Paul. Paul is

Give me Chris Paul. Paul is better at every aspect of the game, except when they match up head to head. Williams usually gets the upper hand in these situations, but there are 29 other starting PG's in the NBA that Paul usually does work on consistently.

Paul at his best is better than Williams at his best. Paul has the ability to take over games by scoring, making others better, and making plays on D. And he can do it by efficiently making shots and passing with VERY low TO numbers. Paul can score like an elite SG and pass like an elite PG. I also think Paul would put up the same stats he gets in NO if he was on Utah.

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D-Will is probably flashier

D-Will is probably flashier than CP3

HUH?

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Deron Williams has a great

Deron Williams has a great crossover, but so does Chris Paul and Paul makes much flashier passes.

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I'll

I'll take D-Will.

Mr. Knick where did you get those stats? Not only are they wrong, but they don't really prove anything relevant.

Doesn't prove Paul is the better player. Certainly doesn't suggest that D-Will is not even close.

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Give me d-will i seen him do

Give me d-will i seen him do damage to my lakers and rarely have i seen a pg get the best of him he dont average more points than cp3 but if he want to he can he shoots better drive to the hoop better i give the edge to cp3 on assist but deron willaims pass just as good and if you ask most people this question they will say d-will he has took the best pg in the nba throne from cp3.

iggy deron williams has the better crossovers hands down not even close and he makes the flashier passes imo

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I think

I think Williams probably has the nastiest crossover in the entire league.

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Yeah D-Will is flashier than

Yeah D-Will is flashier than CP3.... He does a lot of flashier passes and crossovers that CP3 doesn't do as much (Not that it's necessarily a good/bad thing, just sayin)

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Mr. Knick where did you get

Mr. Knick where did you get those stats? Not only are they wrong, but they don't really prove anything relevant.

ESPN. Those aren't the same seasons. Those are there best seasons.

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I just don't see how he could

I just don't see how he could be better when he has never had a better season since they were rookies. Paul literally has been more productive at every aspect of the game since then by a decent-size margin, and has done it with less talent. If you go by head-to-head battles, yeah Williams is better. But if you go by breaking down aspects of the game, looking at stats, take in account that there are more than just 1 PG in the NBA Paul has routinely dominated, and the sheer ability to take over basketball games, Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA no question. I think Chris Paul on Utah would be a true contending team.

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Are

Are you saying that the only player that Deron Williams dominates is Chris Paul?

And Mr. Knick, what seasons were those? I can't seem to find them.

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Obviously not. I'm saying

Obviously not. I'm saying Chris Paul is MORE dominant against the same players that Deron Williams is dominant against.

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deron williams made chauncey

deron williams made chauncey billups look his age in the playoffs and dominated him every game badly i recall chauncey giving cp3 mad trouble a year ago.

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Iggy, I think you are very

Iggy, I think you are very close to invoking the wrath of slightly irritated jazz fans...

Never a pretty sight.

Oh, and I'll take Williams with his consistant excellence, leadership, and durablity(not counting last year).

And Paul is a douche if he made David West feel like anything other than the superstar he is..(sarcasm)

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ok ill make this

ok ill make this simple....chris paul no question.... let me show u who is better at what...
defensively- chris paul
shooting- deron williams
in the paint scoring- chris paul
passing- chris paul (from alley oops to simple passing hes just better)
ball handling- this is the closest but i say paul, he does moves at his top speed that seem almost impossible to do
winning- deron williams is proved to be a better winner as of now but then again he does have jerry sloan who is top 5 coaches in the nba
so chris paul for sure!

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 "take in account that there

"take in account that there are more than just 1 PG in the NBA Paul has routinely dominated"

Doesn't seem obvious to me, but maybe I'm just stupid.

Now you say that Chris Paul on the Utah Jazz would be a contending team, I would like to know why. Because he solves our size issues? We would finally have somebody to lock down Derek Fisher?

I believe that Deron Williams is the better defender. He doesn't get as many steals, but I have seen with my own eyes Deron Williams LOCK-DOWN some of the best players in the NBA. Roy, Paul, Rose, etc. Unlike Paul he has no weaknesses on defense, while players like D-Will himself, Billups and Rose take advantage of Paul's lack of strength.

I also disagree that Paul is the better passer. Paul averaged .2 assists more per game, but Deron Williams is the orchestrator on the best passing team in basketball. PLUS he averages more assists per 48 minutes each of the last two seasons. PLUS he doesn't have the ball as much as Paul.

Blame Chris Paul's injuries, but Deron Williams played on his injuries and is more durable. That is a positive as well.

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i have not read through this

i have not read through this thread, but there is nothing to be settled. There is no obvious answer. There is no "no ifs ands or buts about it" like the thread starter suggested. Its a very close race and people can go with either one.

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Yeah I misworded that. I

Yeah I misworded that. I obviously don't think Williams only dominates 1 PG. All I was trying to say is, you should NOT base an argument on who's better off of a single matchup.

Chris Paul would be more productive than Deron Williams would in that same offense. He could probably up his assist totals to 12 ppg and only average the same 2 TO's per game. Paul also is a great pick and roll player, which is the staple of Utah's offense. He doesn't solve the fact that Utah needs a big who can defend and score a little, but he would make every big man (and player) on Utah's roster better. Better than Williams can at least IMO.

Williams is an average defender. He may lock down more guys than Paul, but Williams isn't more than decent on D. The same goes for Paul. Paul struggles more than against big guards than he does small guards, but he's still a decent defensive player. Deron Williams' D doesn't stand out on of off the ball, but Paul can at least rack up steals and get deflections off the ball if he struggles on the ball. I have personally NEVER seen Deron Williams "lock down" anyone in my life. He's an average defensive player to me and to most that obverse the game.

Paul is a better passer than Deron Williams. Williams isn't far behind, but Paul has superior floor vision, is the least TO prone PG for as much as he dominates the ball as their is in the NBA, and generally will give you more assists a game. Paul is the best passer in the NBA, no matter if Williams averages more assists if you "adjust" stats.

Injuries happen. That shouldn't factor who's a better basketball player when trying to figure out who's better. I still believe Paul is better. Everything points to that as well

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Paul's season is

Paul's season is 2008-2009

Williams season is also 2008-2009

Go look on ESPN.

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Deron Williams is a big

Deron Williams is a big physical point guard who is a matchup mismatch for every single guards he plays while D-Will is better in halfcourt Chris Paul is the better player and the only reason people are saying hes not is because he was injured this past season two years ago people were saying that Chris Paul was an MVP candiadate with Kobe and Lebron and finished second in MVP race. He is an elite scorer has better court vision is much more athletic, faster, a better facilitator and scorer and when healthy a top 10 if not a top 5 player in the league

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That aint right!

How can you compare winning when Utah has always had more talent?

1. Peja has always been injured
2. They trade away his favorite big man in Tyson Chandler
3. Boozer is better than West
4. AK 47 is better than Peja
5. Posey has been a scrub lately
6. when Paul was healthy he was up for MVP disicussion
7. Bell is gonna make Williams look amazing this year because he's an amazing fit with Williams as well with Paul
8. How does he lose it just because he was injured?

and i know i'm gonna get negative just cuz theres a ton of Jazz fans on here but idc i'm represtin whats right

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I'll take D-Will over Chris

I'll take D-Will over Chris Paul. He may not be a fantasy basketball juggernaut like Paul, but D-Will puts up great numbers for a point guard, and he plays in a system that is much more restricting that what Paul plays in. If D-Will wanted to, he could put up points in a hurry. He scores when his team needs him too. D-Will, in my opinion, is a better shooter and maybe scorer than Paul. Not to mention that Williams has the nastiest, and most effective crossover in the league. That's the icing on the cake. He is much more physical and stronger than Paul also. D-Will was an all-state wrestler in 8th grade, hell..

Both are them are good, and honestly, it's really a toss-up. I don't think you could go wrong with either. I'd say it's personal preference, and I'd take D-Will.

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on curiosity who does

on curiosity who does everyone compare Derron Williams too?

because everyone agrees that Chris Paul is just like Isiah Thomas

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Iggy

While some points you bring up are valid, there is an obvious retaliation for every argument you make.

"Chris Paul would be more productive than Deron Williams would in that same offense."

There is no way to prove this, and like I said before, you could switch this around easily. In New Orleans, Deron Williams would have the ball in his hands more and more oppurtunities to get assists.

"I have personally NEVER seen Deron Williams "lock down" anyone in my life."

You just disproved your own point. You haven't seen him lock anyone down. I feel bad that you didn't see the Jazz/Blazers game on February 21, 2010, but in the 4th Quarter, he shut down Brandon Roy like nobody's business.

"Paul is a better passer than Deron Williams."

He may average .2 more assists a game in more minutes, and average less turnovers but that does not make him a better passer. Who makes his teammates better? That can be debated all day, but if you want to prove this you are going to have to pull something else out of your hat better than turnover rates (which do count for something).

"I still believe Paul is better. Everything points to that as well"

I think this is a pretty ignorant statement. Everything points to Paul being better than Williams?

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Maybe all the Jazz players are better because Deron Williams makes them better. I'm just saying your 8 arguments are pretty shallow.

And many people, including Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley, said that Deron Williams was the best PG in the NBA before Paul's injury.

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"There is no way to prove

"There is no way to prove this, and like I said before, you could switch this around easily. In New Orleans Deron Williams would have the ball in his hands more and more oppurtunities to get assists."

He'd probably get more assists, BUT he'd also get more turnovers and he wouldn't score/shoot as efficiently and/or as much. That matters too. Paul gets his numbers, but he gets them more efficiently and at less of a risk. I think the same would translate in a PG friendly offense like Utah's too.

"You just disproved your own point. You haven't seen him lock anyone down. I feel bad that you didn't see the Jazz/Blazers game on February 21, 2010, but in the 4th Quarter, he shut down Brandon Roy like nobody's business."

Ok. Some people have different opinions on "locking" someone down anyway. That still doesn't disprove that I, *JNixon-Iggy9* hasn't seen him lock anyone down.

"He may average .2 more assists a game in more minutes, and average less turnovers but that does not make him a better passer. Who makes his teammates better? That can be debated all day, but if you want to prove this you are going to have to pull something else out of your hat better than turnover rates (which do count for something)."

How does that not prove he's a better passer? Less turnovers, more assists, and he logs in more minutes. If he's not a better passer and more efficient passer, then he's better at setting guys up to score, which has to count for alot since the object of basketball is to score more than the other team.

"I think this is a pretty ignorant statement. Everything points to Paul being better than Williams?"

Probably not LITERALLY everything. Williams will usually get the better of Paul head-to-head, but other than that what does he have that's better? I can't think of anything besides that. Paul is better at every aspect of the game IMO except maybe on-ball defense. But besides that, Paul is better than Williams is.

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Their better in different

Their better in different aspects.

Paul makes everyone better thats the one thing i like about him.

I think Williams overall strength is a big help when they play each other, but i think Chris Paul is one of the few guys that even if you stop him from scoring he can take over the game, Deron Williams is a very good in other ways but i think Boozers ability on the picck & roll is a huge help.

Honestly i think its so close that it basically come down to team fit.

Their about even defensivly, Williams is the slightly better scorer, Paul is the slightly better passer.

I think Paul would be perfect next to a good shooting guard like Roy, or Kobe, but Williams is a better fit next to a dominant bug man.

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this is a very close race and

this is a very close race and almost impossible for any human to say who is better. i think people forget about how good chris paul is because he was injured last year. i saw somebody mention body language and that chris paul shows his emotion. that dude just looks like a fiery guy and he has that look in his eyes when he is on the court. we have seen what chris paul can do with a solid team, but that was just one year. could you imagine him on a team like orlando with that supporting cast? i mean its scary how good paul is. im not going to say today that one is better than the other. i love williams size and strength and the fact that he will try and dunk on you. and i love cp3s flashy plays and his toughness for a little guy. they are so even its scary. i am anxious to see how good utah will be with jefferson because he is bigger and a better defender than boozer and i hope they are real good. and nobody likes to see a star ask for a trade but how can you be mad at chris paul for wanting out, he has no chance of winning in new orleans. i want to see him on the magic with d12 but look forward to him being healthy regardless.

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take the point guards off the team and then compare the rest of the players and tell me who is better

i will compare the teams now

C Okur < Okafor
PF Jefferson > West
SF Hayword > Peja
SF/ SG Miles > Pondexter
SG Bell > Thorton
SF AK47 > Posey
PF Milsap > Brackins

Utah is better but

Paul > Williams

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How Supportivw is Chris Paul of his teamates?

1. every time out he was in Collisons ear telling him stuff

2. how would you feel if your best friend was traded to save money

3. The Jazz just upgraded with Bell and Jefferson, CP3 is allowed to want other players in his team

4. CP3 never requested a trade the reports were saying that he might depending on the meeting of what direction the team was going

5. How can you can people call him a prima dona? he wants to win now if the team doesnt want to he'll leave, cant blame someone who wants to win

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Williams is better than Paul

Williams is better than Paul

Paul telling collison stuff in his ear dont mean nothing cause he wasn't playing for him; Collison did almost the same stuff Paul does ...I'm not hearing this and that if Paul dont bounce back and do work it's not even a conversation now more.

And with the NBA PG's getting taller and Faster every year ill def. take Williams over paul

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