Rate the top 5 point guards in this draft class based on who will be the most successful.
Top 5 now
in 3 years
could you please give explanation why holiday 1...what do you see in him.
Holiday could be Gary Payton 2.0 that's what I see in him and I love big devensive guards.
Holiday is a stud man. He needs some time to develop. His defensive ability will make him a good player and if he can play PG and work on his O...he could be GP 2.0
Plz explain how he is a stud?
My top 5 for career wise are.
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Eric Maynor (That's right! Want to fight about it?)
3. Brandon Jennings
4. Jrue Holiday
5. Jonny Flynn
I'm torn about the last 3...
I think these 5 are the starters, but Lawson and Collison will be good players too.
Edit: Payton was mean. I don't see the same fierceness in Holiday.
In a few years..
not in order
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Jonny Flynn
3. Eric Maynor
4. Stephen Curry
5. Brandon Jennings
The Payton / Holiday comparisons are baseless. I swear, you hear a single respected analyst say this, and everyone starts spouting this bs. Payton was a straight-up thief on defense, while Holiday is a good on-the-ball defender. Holiday's biggest value-add is that he can contribute plenty without being a scorer ... or necessarily, a leader.
Here's some food for thought: If Holiday was such a great defender and really worthy of the GP comparison, then why did Darren Collison cover Eric Maynor when UCLA's season was on the line?
RE: Rubio as my #1, it all depends on his desire to get stronger and improve. To a degree, he's been coddled in Spain and I'm not too keen on his desire to pick and choose who he wants to play for. He has the talent and tools to be extremely successful, and he's done well in actual gameplay.
I would put Evans in there somewhere, but I see him as more of a SG in the NBA vs. a true PG.
The same order than The Mantis
Actually I said before anyone said it on espn...
Holiday could be a poor's man D-Wade at SG or Gary Payton as a PG.
Here's some food for thought: If Holiday was such a great defender and really worthy of the GP comparison, then why did Darren Collison cover Eric Maynor when UCLA's season was on the line- he gets more steals? Coach Howland drew it up...you dont switch up on a last second play...
I dont see why people think Holiday could go top ten. I think he would be lucky get into lottery. He has potential sure, but that has not translated into games production. Thats scares me a lot! he didnt even play Pg must the time he was on the court. I think Evans spend more time at the 1 then Jrue did. He really could use another year of school. I think be will be avearge starter one day, but not an allstar.
You must not like him.....we got all these high upside guys going in the top 10 and you complaint about Holiday?
So DeRozan doestn belong in the top 10 then...
9.byron eaton...yes my man byron eaton
1. Holliday - all the criticism coming from his time at UCLA is silly. He played out of position, but still contributed and wasn't a baby about it. Now that he's back at his natural position, he's showing why he was the top HS PG 2 years ago. He's long & athletic, he plays defense, and he makes good decisions. His shot needs work & he'll likely take a while to develop, but give him 2-3 years and he's going to be a very effective PG.
2. Rubio - he's flashy, he makes plays & he plays solid defense. The euro to NBA transition makes me a little nervous, but I think he'll be okay.
3. Flynn - he's short, but that doesn't preclude success. He's got tons of confidence & is just one of those guys that seems to make the guys around him better. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if he's the top PG, but I'll put him at 3 mostly because I like the defense that Holliday & Rubio bring.
4. Curry - this guy is going to have a solid career; he's just too freaking determined not to & there is no doubt he can shoot the lights out. He may have trouble early on getting his shot off, but he'll figure it out & then...watch out.
5. Lawson - I hear the knocks, but I just can't help but feel that this guy will figure out how to get it done. Health is probably the biggest concern with him.
Dark horse: Patrick Beverly - like Curry, he just seems to want it to much to fail. Plus he's got some game to go with his big heart.
Of the rest:
I like Teague, Maynor, Calathes & Mills. All have the potential to be at the very least a capable backup.
Jennings has me nervous that he's the next Starbury - nice stats, but too few wins.
I'm down on Evans, but can't really pin down why - I just have the feeling he's going to have a hard time adjusting? fitting in? something.
Some of the tweeners like Douglas are interesting.
Collison is going to be a BUST.
1Flynn 2 Rubio 3 Jennings 4 Teague 5 Evans 6 Curry 7 Holliday 8 Lawson 9 Maynor 10 Mills
#1) Brandon Jennings- Everyone argues is he going to be the next Chris Paul or is he A.I. part two, but personally I dont think he is either. I'd say the closest play to compare him to is Devin Harris w/ a little more flair. Like Harris he is just going to eat defenses up getting into the paint finishing at the rim or finding the open teamate. He will show flashes from day one, but like Harris its going to take time for him to put it all together.
#2) Johnny Flynn- I think Flynn will have the best rookie impact out of any pg especially if he gets drafted by the knicks or warriors. IMO he is an smaller version of Stevie Francis, Flynn is so explosive going to the rim and in transition, but also can catch fire from the perimeter.
#3) Jrue Holliday- Holliday is not Gary Payton and he never will be, I think he has the potential to be a Baron Davis Clone once he develops a consistant jumpshot.
#4) Ty Lawson- Lawson is going to surprise some people I'd put money on it, he has more heart than any other player in this draft not names Tyler Hanbrough. His lack of height will hurt him, but he is so quick and strong in the lane. Could be the 2009 version of Jameer Nelson.
#5) Ricky Rubio- The purest of all the pg's in the draft Rubio has good floor vision an the craftiness it takes to put the ball in tight places, but when its all said in done he does not have th athleticism to guard nba pg's. Also he will struggle to get in the paint and finish around the rim.
Yes, I understand thats a lot of people are going in the top ten based on potential. I feel that PG has a lot harder learning curve then say a SG or SF. The PG has to learn the most of all players. You arguement to me with Derozan doesn't have much backing. Derozan won't be looked upon to get others involved and set up the offense. he will be looked upon to score and get his own. Don't you see the difference?
1. Brandon Jennings
2. Ricky Rubio
3. Jonny Flynn
4. Ty Lawson
5. Jrue Holiday
I think Jennings and Rubio will probably be all-stars while Flynn will be a good player. Lawson and Holiday will both be solid players but never great.
1. Ricky Rubio
2. Johnny Flynn
3. Ty Lawson
4. Brandon Jennings
5. Steph Curry