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Where would Marquis Teague be drafted this year? What is he worth?

Just curious what you guys think. I have been eyeing the end of the 1st round and wonder if Marquis Teague would be worth something like Oklahoma City's 29th pick and 32nd pick. Where do you think he would be drafted in the 2013 NBA Draft? I personally think that if you are a team looking for a PG outside of the lottery, you would have to be intrigued by the guy. Sure, he hasn't done a whole bunch so far in the NBA but in the limited time he has had I think he showed that he is an NBA player with a long career ahead of him. I am also curious if the Bulls would be willing to resign Nate Robinson, with Rose, Hinrich, and Teague already guaranteed for next season. I personally like Nate and think that he is the PERFECT guy off the bench for some instant offense and hope that the Bulls hang on to him. If they do, there aren't enough roster spots for 4 ONLY point guards on an NBA roster, especially since Thibs is a coach who will play his best players every single minute if he can (Deng has been Top 3 in minutes played for 3 straight seasons, Butler hasn't left for 1 single second the past 3 playoff games, etc.). Although you can make the case that the Bulls could go small against a team like Miami and have Noah at center, Deng at power forward guarding Lebron, Butler at the three and Rose at PG with Nate or Hinrich playing the other guard spot and it would be acceptable (sorry Boozer). I definitely think that this year's draft has decent depth, but is NOT top heavy in any way, shape, or form. The Bulls will be looking for a backup center in the draft, IMO. Nazr is 100 years old and the Bulls have shown that they can develop younger players to fit into their system. But, there are guys like Jamaal Franklin, Glen Rice JR, Alan Crabbe, Caldwell-Pope, Giannis Adetokoubo, Jeff Withey, Stephen Adams, etc. that are all in the 15-35 range that would be decent for the Bulls to look at.

I personally would think that Oklahoma City is looking for a young PG to bring into the system to back-up Westbrook, since they got rid of Minor and have Fisher who is going to retire. They have the early 1st rounder from Houston already in the Harden deal and probably don't need to add 2 other rookies when they already have a bunch of young guys like Lamb, Perry Jones, etc. It seems like it could be a decent move for the Bulls to get some cheap guys with upside (especially with the way the NBA slots draft picks) who can fill in the roster.

Anyone think I am crazy/agree? Do you think that the Bulls wouldn't be getting enough? I think that Teague is going to be a starting PG in the NBA one day and the Bulls are basically hoping he becomes a Eric Bledsoe type of trade chip. But, as everyone knows, Thibs is a coach who doesn't mind playing guys every single minute of every single game and when Rose is back at full strength there won't be a lot (hopefully there isn't another injury) of opportunity for a young PG to really grow on the Bulls anyway.


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Nate should not resign with

Nate should not resign with the bulls to be honest.(saying that as a Bulls fan and Nate Robinson fan) he's a good backup PG and making him a 3rd PG is a stretch. He needs to go to somebody that focuses on offense(and doesn't mind lackluster defense) and need a good 6th or 7th man as a spark. The Bulls were actually planning on cutting Nate during the season if Rose came back which makes me think they prefer Teague's potential over him. Bulls should keep with Rose, Hinrich, Teague unless they can work Nate as the 2nd PG and Hinrich as the 2nd SG(which is really just Nate as 2nd SG and Hinrich as 2nd PG as hinrich would handle SG defensive duties and offensive PG duties.)

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There also comes a time when a guy might just want to stop moving from team to team. He has been in the league for awhile and he enjoys playing for the Bulls. If he was told he would be the scorer that leads the 2nd Unit of the Bulls and the Bulls offer him something competitive (I don't even know what they can offer him since they are NOT in a cap friendly situation, although Rip will come off the books) he just might stay. I think most people think the Bulls are close to being at a Championship level and Teague just isn't going to develop properly as the 4th PG. Even though he is probably going to end his career as a better all around player than Nate Robinson, he doesn't bring something unique to the table. Nate does something that NO other Bulls player besides Derrick Rose does and that's score at will when he is on. Seriously, if he continues playing the way he has the Bulls can keep winning. I don't think that he WILL continue playing that way but the NBA is the ONE league that can be just taken over by one individual player if they are hot and keep hitting shots.

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This year: Possibly the top

This year: Possibly the top pick in the Draft, this draft is weak, Teague is very very athletic and would have improved and killed at UK this year as with this years UK team, Cal would have let Teague run wild just like he did in HS putting all of his strength and full game on display no doubt Teague would have been the top draft pick.

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I don't mean, "If Teague would have stayed..." I mean that if you are a team drafting in the 2013 draft and you want a young PG, would you rather take Marquis Teague (who has shown, even in limited minutes, that he has potential to develop into something in the NBA) over someone available this year in a relatively weak draft.

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I'd love for my Bulls to be

I'd love for my Bulls to be able to use him to trade up, but I don't think he has much value at all. MAYBE they can get 2nd round value, but he's shown nothing at all this yr. He plays scared and indecisively.

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See, I think that a team like OKC would rather have him as their backup PG (since I view Jackson more as a scorer than a true PG) and they WILL be looking to add a PG in the off-season with Westbrook coming off of injury and Fisher being so old. If that is the case, I think he would be worth their 29th and 32nd picks. If the Bulls used those on guys like Glenn Rice Jr and Allen Crabbe, with Steven Adams being the Bulls 20th pick, I think that it's a better situation for Marquis Teague. I think it's better for the Bulls with NO cap space. Also, I think that it's better for the Thunder since I don't think the Thunder really want to add 3 rookies when they already had 3 this season and they were coming off a finals appearance (and who knows, maybe another one, although I don't think so). Having a guy who already has an NBA season under his belt, with Thibs helping him develop as well AND getting playoff experience against Miami, would probably be a better fit than any PG they could get to back up Westbrook that they could find at the end of the 1st round in THIS draft.

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I completely disagree with

I completely disagree with you. Reggie Jackson might be more of a scorer, but he's still a better player than Teague. I also think that a late first rounder who hasn't shown anything isn't worth those 2 picks. If anything, his late first round value has decreased since he hasn't looked at all. He looked awful in summer league, pre-season and regular season when he got a chance to play.
What is Teague anyways? He was a scoring PG in HS and now he's what? I can't even label him as anything other than a PG with defensive potential. He doesn't distribute well, doesn't have good vision, isn't a good decision maker and that scoring touch he showed in HS didn't translate.

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We will have to agree to disagree then...

...because I don't think that Thibs is the kind of guy who lets guys even touch the floor if he doesn't trust them to play the way he wants. That's why Rip Hamilton hasn't touched the floor and Jimmy Butler hasn't sat for 1 second the last 3 games (only the 4th player in the past 40 years to do that). Rip comes in a just looks to shoot immediately, a total black hole where basketballs go to die. Sort of like Zach Randolph in his Knicks/JailBlazers days. Well that or Rip tried to sleep with Thibs's sister or something (just kidding). Teague HAS gotten some playing time in the biggest games of the season. Remember that Jimmy Butler didn't do much his rookie year either but since he actually got INTO games, as a Bulls fan, you knew that he was doing things "Thibs way". Thibs isn't looking for a 19-year old rookie to go out and showcase his skills. Hell, Thibs basically said that he won't play much AT ALL the day after Teague was drafted. He siad that he was "only 19, needs to develop, blah, blah, blah" (the same old crap that Thibs always says that drives me nuts). But, the guy is FAST and has some skills. It will just take time for him to learn how to contribute on both ends of the floor. Also, he can't shoot to save his life. But, you can tell that he has some form and COULD develop a decent jump shot. I think that him being the #1 PG coming out of high school, playing the most minutes for the NCAA Champions in his freshman year, AND getting onto the court against Miami and being able to hold his own is a decent enough pedigree. Wouldn't you feel better if you were looking for a backup PG with the 29th pick taking a guy who you know can handle the NBA? I would and I think that most NBA GM's would, too. Keeping in mind that this is a WEAK draft. Just to highlight the fact that the consensus Top 2 picks are a guy who blew out his ACL (and was leading the defending NCAA champs, who were STILL stacked with McDonald's All-Americans, straight to the NIT) AND a guy who was a red-shirt, converted PF who had a TERRIBLE NCAA tournament and probably won't be able to contribute significantly his rookie year at SG. Also, there are NO size/strength issues, athleticism questions, or positional questions with Teague (which is something that CANNOT be said about MOST PG's that are available with a late 1st round pick).

I think that you are selling Teague WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY short. But, I LOVE the fact that you are in the discussion, man! It sucks when everyone is just a die hard fan who completely overvalues his team's players. Maybe I am doing the same thing here. Who knows? I think I am being reasonable. The draft is hard to judge sometimes because there are years where the #1 - #5 picks are full of HOF's (2003) and then there are years with ZERO All-Star's in the 1st Round (2000). But, every year everyone thinks that there are surefire HOF's that don't last a couple seasons and then there are Carlos Boozer's who fall into the 2nd round. I LOVE IT!

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And there is nothing wrong

And there is nothing wrong with how Thibs treats players he deems not ready to play. Marquis isn't ready to play. He's getting run because he has to. The Bulls have no other option, unless you wanna see Marco trying to bring the ball with his back to the defense.

Asik played as a rookie and so did Butler under Thibs. They both showed more than what Teague has shown this yr. Butler showed the ability to defend the toughest perimeter scorers in the league and he played with poise and toughness. Teague has shown glimpses of defensive ability, but like I said he plays scared. Scared of making mistakes, which is the same way he played last yr for Kentucky.

What skills does he have? He has a nice right to left cross, but it doesn't matter if he can't finish at the rim. He's finished poorly this yr and he finished poorly at the rim in college as well. People can talk about his athleticism and build all they want, but what does it translate to? What good is a slashing PG who doesn't finish well and doesn't do anything else well on offense?

I'll also disagree on his form. I think his form is ugly and he has a hitch in it that he needs to get rid of.

I'm a believer that once a player enters college, their HS rankings don't mean a damn thing. They all start from scratch and should be evaluated by what they do vs the higher level of competition.

I don't know if Teague can handle the NBA. If how he's looked this yr is any indication, then I wouldn't be so optimistic about that. If I was a GM, I'd favor whoever I think can be the better player, whether that player is already on the roster or can be acquired.... and like I said I'd take maybe 7 PGs in this draft ahead of Teague. Weak draft or not, I see a number of PGs who show more promise than Teague does.

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As I watched nearly every

As I watched nearly every Kentucky game from the 11-12 season I really like Marquis Teague. If he would have stayed, he would have for sure outplayed Ryan Harrow which is rumored to be the reason why he left UK. Since Poythress and Goodwin weren't scorers like Kidd-Gilchrist and Lamb were he would have averaged more points this year and I'm not sure how much his assist average would have changed. If Teague were to have stayed in Kentucky, that really would have been a better choice for his development and after how much Ryan Harrow turned out to be a bust. If you look at where Teague was his freshmen year and where MCW was it wasn't even close, even though Syracuse already has a 5th year senior PG which was why MCW sat the bench at the end of his freshmen year. And even if Michael Carter-Williams is more NBA built than Teague, I think he is one of the more overrated prospects in this class. Not saying he will be a bust but I'd say Teague would probably be a mid first round pick with Myck Kabongo and Dennis Schroeder being the two after MCW in this draft. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Bulls get rid of Teague since the reason why they drafted him was cuz Rose was hurt, Watson was a FA and it was before they signed Robinson and Hinrich. I'm projecting Teague to at least be a solid backup at the worst even though I see some bust potential as well. It's way too early to say if he will make it in the NBA or not but I like Marquis Teague a lot and not only because I'm a UK fan.

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Look at the improvement or

Look at the improvement or (lack thereof) that Marquis has made in 2 yrs. I think if he went back, he would've been exposed even more as a PG who just doesn't think well on his feet and can't shoot.
I think he would've been a 2nd rounder this yr. Usually raw guards who aren't good decision makers can make a good impression with their aggressiveness, energy or ability to physically dominate his opponent. Marquis didn't and doesn't even play with the aggression to do that.

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Yes i'd take Teague over ANY

Yes i'd take Teague over ANY PG in this year's class, his potential is greater than any PG in this year's class, he is faster, quicker and more explosive than all of them, he's 6'2 195 and built like a pit bull yes I'd take Teague over any PG in this class easy.

gDizzle, I never ever believed those rumors of Teague leaving cause of Harrow lmao Teague was the #1 rated PG in the country he was one and done from day one, he was not afraid of Harrow. Teague is a big big time player he just never had to be the 5th option on a team and it was hard for him to adjust.

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You cannot be serious? It is

You cannot be serious? It is incredibly, incredibly unlike he would have went no1 this year, that is absurd. You seem to be way to high on Teague it is insane. He wouldn't even be the best PG in this class let alone go no1. I would have Burke any day of the week if I had to chose. It isn't even close.

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I would take Burke as well...

...I think that Teague would fall to around the late teen's/early 20's. But, if someone is looking for a PG there, I think that I would rather have Teague as an NBA GM over anyone else that is available there in the 2013 draft because he is already broken in with the NBA game and has had some great coaching and leadership, with great playoff experience. Not to beat a dead horse but I think that OKC will be looking for another PG in the offseason and (once again) just CANNOT see them taking 3 rookies from this pretty weak draft, adding them to a team that has DeAndre Liggins, Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Jackson, and Perry Jones III. Not to mention, they are Finals caliber NOW. They just don't need that many rookies from the bottom of the 1st round, top of the 2nd to fill out their roster.

Of course, Sam Presti is a damn genius so who am I to question it if he does?

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Not even including the combo

Not even including the combo guards in this draft, I'd rank Teague as the 7th or 8th PG in this draft.

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Siggy: You drunk today? 7th

Siggy:

You drunk today?

7th or 8th PG in THIS CLASS?

He'd easily be #1 he'd have no competition

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No I'm not. I'm a Bulls fan

No I'm not. I'm a Bulls fan and have seen just about every minute of his professional career. I also saw a ton of him last yr at Kentucky. What I see is a player who has made very little improvement, this coming off a season where he was NOT good in college.
He can defend a bit, but outside of that, he literally does nothing well.

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See this what happens when a

See this what happens when a player leaves too early now he gets labeled as a nothing PG, Teague just two years ago was said to have the most potential out of the entire 2011 HS class even over Anthony Davis if he just gets a jumpshot.Teague will get his chance soon in the NBA and will make you guys pay, he's far better than Burke, Burke wasn't even slated to get drafted until the mid 40's-50's last year and would have possibly went undrafted had he entered last year, Teague had an ok year last year and went first round, his upside is tremendous and Burke's upside is right there with DJ Augustin stop being so blind Burke is an backup PG at best in the L this draft is just incredibly weak and are making you guys look at players a little bit too high. Teague is 2x athletic as Burke, bigger, stronger, better ball handler as well, Burke is just a better shooter, but we will see in 3-4 years where this 2 end up, and O BTW Teague(1993) is also YOUNGER than Burke(1992) as well, Burke is technically supposed to be heading into his SR year in college, while Teague is already in the NBA.

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What a kid did in HS doesn't

What a kid did in HS doesn't mean jack once they reach college.
Teague didn't have an OK yr, he had a bad yr for an NBA prospect. Which is why he slipped from supposed lotto to the bottom of the first. If you compare his stats to any of the prospective PGs in last yrs' draft, he was at or near the bottom in just about every single statistical category.

Teague's athleticism doesn't mean anything if he doesn't play with the aggressiveness to use it or doesn't have the skill to turn it into production. For example, getting to the rim doesn't matter if the player sucks at finishing, and Teague has not finished well at the rim since HS.

Teague has the better handle? Too bad he doesn't use it since he spends most of his time crab dribbling, trying to make an aimless pass.

Marquis getting to the league earlier means nothing either. He just left when he was far from ready. Him getting there earlier could also mean him leaving the league earlier. Late first round picks often don't get their 3rd yr options picked up if they don't show something sooner than later.

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How is Burke better than

How is Burke better than Teague? Someone answer that for me.

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Well, he did win player of the year...

...and was on a team full of NBA players (future NBA players in Hardaway, Robinson, and McGary for sure) where he was the BEST player on the team. Teague wasn't the best player on his team. He was good, though. Burke was better. Burke can shoot and score. Teague doesn't do that as well. He might, one day. But, if we are looking at what they ACTUALLY have done I have to give it to Burke 100/100. I am with you that these other guys are undervaluing Teague quite a bit IMO, especially saying he would be the 7th or 8th PG in this draft. But, Burke didn't just rise through the draft boards based on luck. He won college player of the year and LED his team to the Championship game. Teague was PART of a team that went to the Championship game.

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For starters, Burke can

For starters, Burke can actually think on his feet. Teague can't. That's a huge difference. He can run an offense, can run PnR, is a better shooter from all levels of the floor, finished better at the basket, is better at creating his own shot, relishes big moments, plays assertively and competes every possession. I could go on.

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Teague won a championship

Teague won a championship averaged 10.0 points 4.8 assist, 2.5 boards, 2.7 to's as a freshman at UK

Burke didn't win no ship averaged 14.8 points, 4.6 assist, 3.5 boards, 2.8 to's as a freshman at UofM

Teague in the tourney put up numbers against some of the toughest teams:

Iowa State(8th seed) Big 12 team: 24pts, 7ast, 4boards

Indiana(4th Seed) Big 10 team: 14pts, 7ast 3boards

Kansas(2nd Seed) Big 12 team: 14pts, 3ast, 2boards

Trey Burke played against #13 seed Ohio from the Mac and had 16pts, 5ast, 3boards

Seriously you guys acting like Teague wouldn't have went back to UK and dominated, like every scout wasn't saying had Teague gone back there was no chance he'd not go lottery and with the way this draft turned out he would have been contending for the top spot, if Burke is sloted for #5 in this draft Teague could have for sure went #1 no question.

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Sorry, I prefer that my PGs

Sorry, I prefer that my PGs are able to think on their feet, orchestrate, lead and play with assertiveness. Coach Cal took Teague's heart and turned him into a nervous ninny who doesn't do much offensively other than look to get rid of the ball. He has the body, but he doesn't have the mind, skill, or intangibles.

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Also let's look at another

Also let's look at another fact:

Burke vs Indiana twice as a freshman did this:

10pts, 8ast, 7boards, 4to's, 4-15 from the field, 38mins

18pts, 4ast, 4boards, 2to's 5-9 from the field, 35mins

Teague vs Indiana twice as a freshman:

15pts, 5ast, 1board, 3to's, 6-11 from the field, 31mins

14pts, 7ast, 3boards, 2to's 4-14, 36mins

So Teague averaged more points, the same amount of assist, shot better from the field, and took better care of the ball in LESS minutes than Burke.

Burke vs Iowa State as a freshman:

13pts, 3ast, 2boards, 3to's, 5-14 from the field, 34mins

Teague vs Iowa State as a freshman(Tourney game, stakes way higher):

24pts, 7ast, 4boards, 2to's, 10-14 from the field, 36mins

Teague scored more, assisted more, rebounded better, took care of the ball better and shot better.

What's your reasons now? they played against the same exact teams

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OK you wanna talk stats ,

OK you wanna talk stats , lets talk stats. Freshman Burke (on a much less talented team) compared to Freshman Teague, had a better TS (shot better from every level of the floor), higher EFF rating, higher Points Per Possession rate, AST rate, PER, Win Shares, Lower TO%. In just about every category you can value PG being better than the other, Burke was better as a freshman, while winning B1G FOY and a share of the B1G title...while on a MUCH less talented team.
Burke was a better player then and he's the better player now.

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That's all fine and dandy,

That's all fine and dandy, but you cant argue what I just presented to you, Teague is better than Burke, Burke did all that stuff you named his freshman year and wasn't even guranteed a draft pick, Teague went first round, come on now.

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I just did. Burke didn't

I just did. Burke didn't even declare. When Teague declared, he wasn't a guaranteed a first round slot either. Players who were taken at the very bottom of the first round weren't guaranteed anything. Given how he looked as a freshman I'd say he to lucky to be drafted in the first. Meanwhile Burke went back, added to the accolades he won as a freshman, won NPOY and is guaranteed to go lotto.

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Hinrich is old and Nate

Hinrich is old and Nate Robinson is about to get too expensive for the Bulls to keep. I could even see Deng getting traded with the emergence of Butler. Chi town will want to stay away from the salary cap or not to much over it. Teague and some veteran will be Rose's bkups next year.

I would think Deng for Eric Gordon may be interesting for them or possibly Deng for a cheaper shooting guard

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Teague should have stayed

Teague should have stayed another year because UK did alright with poor point guard play. Can you imagine if Teague stay and helped get Noel easy buckets plus possibly Noel does not get hurt. You are talking sweet 16 at least. Teague and Noel would both be top 8 players.

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Burke didn't declare because

Burke didn't declare because he wasn't guaranteed first round, he got feedback and he didn't like what he heard, Burke even said he was one foot in one foot out and we all know that means he didn't like what he heard(That he'd be secound round- Undrafted).

Teague was guaranteed first round anywhere from 17-26, he fell a little further but still went first round, Teague could have went back and did the same thing as Burke only he would have been the top PG in this years class not Burke.

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Teague wasn't guaranteed

Teague wasn't guaranteed anything and still declared anyway because...who knows why? Maybe because Ryan Harrow (yes, that Ryan Harrow) was getting the better of him in practice and was gonna become eligible.

Teague would not have done what Burke did because he's not that type of player. He's not a leader. He's not smart. He's not assertive. He's not fearless and he's not skilled. He was a scoring PG in HS. He didn't score effectively in college in large part because he couldn't shoot a lick and didn't finish well at the rim. Cal tried to convert him to be more of a distributor, but he has terrible instincts as a distributor. The end result is what you saw and what you see from Marquis right now, a player who doesn't even look comfortable playing basketball.

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And another FACT EVERY PG

And another FACT EVERY PG since 2002 that was rated #1 PG in their class besides 04(Lvingston) and 05(Paulus) has gone on to do very well in the NBA.

02-Felton
03-Paul
06-Lawson
07-Rose
08-Jennings
09-Wall
10-Irving
11-Teague

SO I guess Teague is just going to break that streak huh? Yall are delusional, and this weak draft is really making yall lose yall minds, Burke is not better than Teague, TEAGUE IS IN THE NBA RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW, Burke is not, Burke did good this year, but had Teague returned he'd be the top PG easily and competing for that top spot, especially after the Combine he really would have been in contention for #1!

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HS rankings don't mean sht

HS rankings don't mean sht once the players reach a higher level of competition. A player isn't as good as his reputation. He's as good as how he performs.

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Man who you foolin? If Teague

Man who you foolin? If Teague wasn't guaranteed anything you really think he would have still declared, he didn't need the money his brother's in the NBA, so please stop, this Teague scared of Harrow thing really needs to stop, we saw what happened to Harrow this year, Harrow is no where near Teague period, Harrow is transffering AGAIN stop that nonsense.

Teague is a scoring PG! He couldn't distribute like that because he's never been asked to, his physical gifts are superior to many PG's and that's what he was going to be in the NBA a scoring PG like Russ and DRose who aren't as creative as a Rondo or Paul but will get assist in the flow of the game just from their ability to penetrate at will. Man wake up you sound crazy.

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Yes I do. For one because

Yes I do. For one because highly recruited Kentucky players under Cal are supposed to be one and done. And I legitimately think he was worried about the presence of Ryan Harrow. Remember the hype Harrow before the season started? That was largely based off of him outplaying Teague in practice and scrimmages. Teh same Harrow who sucked this yr was outplaying Teague in practice. That says a lot about Teague.

If Teague is a scoring PG then he's a crappy one since he sucks at scoring. Can't shoot and can't finish. 49TS% is garbage for any type of guard and it's expectedly worse as a pro. His numbers in transition (.972 PPP) in college weren't even good and that was supposed to be his strength.

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Man, so you really gonna sit

Man, so you really gonna sit here and tell me you really thought Harrow would have started over Teague this year? LMAO...Teague was never worried of Harrow you have to be crazy to believe that, CAL always overrated alot of stuff everybody knows that, and man like you said rankings mean nothing! PRACTICE REALLY MEANS NOTHING, I've seen numerous guys be real nice in practice and SUCK in actual games, you are so one sided in this argument it isn't even funny.

All these numbers you throwing up....for what?! The scouts seem to didn't care as Burke wasn't even a guaranteed draft pick for the 1st or 2nd round! Teague went first those numbers mean nothing!!!!

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Harrow might not have

Harrow might not have started, but instead of not having a legitimate PG behind him like he did his freshman yr, Teague would've had someone pushing him. Who knows? Maybe if Teague has a stretch of suck like he did his freshman yr, maybe the guy who outplays him in practice takes his starting job. No, I would not have ruled that out since both Teague and Harrow's amount of suck is about equal. It could've come down to who sucked less.

Yes and these numbers matter because they go against everything you're saying. What good is a score first PG who sucks at scoring? And obviously the scouts did take note, which is why, again, Marquis slipped as far as he did. He wasn't guaranteed anything. He wasn't taken in the middle of the first, or mid-late first. He was taken at the bottom, which means he was on the very brink of being a 2nd rounder.

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LMAO so you really think

LMAO so you really think Teague and Harrow are in the same class far as basketball players go? Man please stop this madness, Harrow whole career at UK was a big cover up, Cal knew he wasn't good from day one! He was losing minutes to Jarrod Polson are you serious right now???!!!!!! Who Teague DESTROYED in the Blue and White game!

First round is first round my man, 3 years guranteed, he was guranteed first round! Burke HAD to go back to school, or he would have been in the D League this year not the NBA, unlike Teague who is in the NBA!

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Marquis is better physically

Marquis is better physically and defensively, but I think they are about equal as a far running a team, shooting and scoring. They were both awful in those areas.

Where Teague was picked was two slots away from being in the 2nd round. That is the definition of being a fringe first rounder, which means he was guaranteed nothing. And no, it's not 3 yrs guaranteed, it's only two yrs guaranteed. Teague better show something next yr or he risks his 3rd and 4th yr options not being picked up. Bottom of the first round picks aren't highly invested in so they can be let go easily. Lotto picks have a lot more money invested in them so they are given more opportunities to succeed.

Burke didn't have to go back to school. He did and he improved to the tune of being the best player in college basketball. Teague went pro and still looks like crap.

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Hell no, Marquis is better

Hell no, Marquis is better physically, defensively and a better athlete as well, far as running a team they are equal but Marquis if a better scorer than Harrow, why is Teague in the league and Harrow going to his 3rd school?

Teague will be fine, dont worry about that, he shows he has alot of potential as he played very good against the Nets in the playoffs.

Burke would not have went first round PERIOD last year not a chance at all, Burke would have went between 60-undrafted seriously/

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Like I said, Marquis is

Like I said, Marquis is better physically. But if they both suck at running a team and scoring, it could come down to who was having a better stretch of play or who was performing better in practice.

Actually I am worried about Teague since I am Bulls fan. If he's their primary back up next yr, then that will suck. Luckily Hinrich is still under contract for another yr so he can handle back up duties when healthy.

Played well vs Brooklyn? He had 1 good stretch in 1 game. Otherwise he's contributing like 1 point and 1 ast on 40% shooting. Color me unimpressed.

You don't know where Burke would've gone because he didn't declare. Fact is that he will be a lotto pick and a team will be heavily invested in him, while Teague is well...Teague. Maybe he becomes a legit back up point and plays 10 minutes a game behind D-Rose. Lol.

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Marquis is better at

Marquis is better at EVERYTHING than Harrow, Harrow isn't even an NBA player he doesn't compare to Teague, all your points are invalid on that topic.

Burke was on no mock drafts, no gm's were high on him, Burke would have went undrafted last year.

Burke did the smart thing by returning I give that to him, that's what Teague should have done, Teague would have been the top prospect in this year's draft class hands down man, he still would have been the most athletic PG by far, only with better numbers statistically you do know that right?

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No, Marquis is better at

No, Marquis is better at doing athletic things and defending. That's about it. Marquis is like a bigger, more athletic version of Harrow. As floor generals they're crap. They're both billed as scorers, but don't score well. If Harrow outplayed Marquis in practice, the job could've easily been his o he could've pushed Teague to a more even minutes split. Coach Cal might've had to chose the lesser of two evils.

Burke didn't declare but he was on radars after leading that Michigan team to completely overachieving, being named FOY in the B1G and being the only Freshman Cousy award finalist, showing the poise and generalship that surpassed his class.. He performed as THE best freshman PG in the country. The thing about players who aren't as highly touted is that they have to prove themselves over and over (Jeremy Lamb's another example, Derrick Williams, Oladipo, Larkin, Olynyk etc). They can't just rely on their HS reputation like Teague. They have to earn their rep and that's exactly what he did, while Teague did nothing but diminish his reputation with his play....watching his stock slide and slide.

Burke did the smart thing. Teague did the dumb thing. Burke is better off for not declaring. Teague will be fighting for his job and options next yr. Athleticism matters when it accentuates how good a player is. Teague is a crap player, but an athletic one. Too bad his athleticism doesn't translate to much offensively.

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i think if M Teague had

i think if M Teague had stayed then I would draft him no sooner that 3 and no later than 8...IMO he wouldve been the best PG (even ahead of burke) He is just so explosive and I really think hes underated

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I just watched this guy get

I just watched this guy get cooked by Norris Cole & some were arguing he'd be the number 1 pick in this draft. Come on guys.

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