Where would Jonas Valanciunas go this year?
In last years draft, i think he was the second best player after Irving..if the draft was after the FIBA tournament, he would have went second (IMO hes better then Williams + better fit for wolves and definetly better then Thompson)
He was originally suposed to be in this years draft, how high do you think he would have been placed in this years mock?
Valanciunas nearly dominates everywhere plays (alot on his resume at a young age/ born = 1992)
Starting at 2008 Europian basketball under 18 allstar game - he was the (MVP) with 18 points/ 19 rebounds
2008 FIBA under 16 championship - Avraged - 14.3 ppg/ 11rpg/ 2.3bpg (in 23mpg) again won (MVP)
2010 FIBA under 18 championship - Avraged - 19.4 ppg/ 13.4 rpg/ 2.7 bpg again won (MVP)+ his team won the chapionship.
2011 FIBA under 19 Championship - Avraged - 23ppg/ 14rpg/ 3.2 bpg again won (MVP) + his team won a championship against a talented USA team that included players inlcuding Jeremy Lamb...Alot of people said this Lithuinan team could have contended for a NCAA title (maybe not the most talented team but their chemestry was great)
2011 senior team played against the likes - of Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka, Noah, Dirk ect at the young age 19 and avraged 8.4ppg/ 4.1rpg (in only 15mpg)
2011 year with Rytes - He is playing extremly well, May be considered the best player on his team (hes the 2nd leader scorer but overall he is the best player on the team) whats more impresive is that his team is one of the best Euro League teams this season and could probobly beat Kantucky as the team consists former nba players/ former collage standouts (euro leage in general is better then NCAA compition)
What are your thoughts on this player? how do you think he will fit in with the Raptors? and lastly how high do you think he would go in this years draft
Top 3 pick
what i reallly like about him is that his level of competitiveness + work ethic is really good
Apprently takes 200+ free throws after practice (shoots 80%+ from the free through line for a center)
This summer when he faced the USA team lead by Jeremy Lamb, his team lost by 2 or so points and at the end of the game he was in the locker room punching the will constently in frustration, this is after scoring 30+ points and 10+ boards (cant remember the exact numbers) next time they played USA (a week or so later) he performed well and beat team USA and eventually won the gold...this shows hill will to win at a really young age
I agree with McDunkin a top 3 pick and if we look back at the 2011 draft I could even say that he could´ve been the top pick, despite the excellent play of Irving. Mainly because big man are always a premium in the game of basketball, but the Cavs weren´t in the situation to wait a year and take a gamble, so the pick of Irving is more than justified.
The cavs made a terrible mistake when they chose tristan thompson as high as 4 (even in a weak draft) before valanciunas....
The cavs wanted someone to come in and play for them right away I guess. Tristan Thompson's one of my favourite players in the league since he's from my hometown and i would still take Valanciunas before him no questions asked. Definitely a bad pick given what they passed up on. But Tristan is still a solid player and I hope he proves me wrong.
I think Valanciunas would be ranked at the same level as Drummond and Davis, maybe even higher than Barnes as well. He would go top 3 imo.
I've never seen any highlights on the kid, but that is a lot of rebounds to be averaging. Am I to assume he isn't a typical European big man?
Valanciunas should be very good, he still desperately needs to add weight. With more stregth he will not be making such stupid fouls. Also his post game would shine extremely bright although without being able to maintain post position he cant utilize his length and touch around the basket. He really should be in the gym.
Defensively he reminds me of Dalembert, the way he is extremely long and deceptive, he challenges everything, has a great motor, and is scared of nothing. I really believe it is too early to compare him to a player offensively as he is still developing that part of his game. Id say if his game fails to continue developing offensively he would be like Kristic, with good development his game could be similar to Zydrunas Ilgauskas although Valanciunas is obviously not as tall, more athletic, much more effiecient, and umm...level headed. His best case scenerio is Pau Gasol offensively. Now that would take tons of work but he does have the skill, the touch, the mind, work ethic, and everything necassary to accomplish this. Now its about man hours and how bad he really wants to be great.
Either way in my opinion a Dalembert Kristic combo is well worth a Top 5 pick in the 2012 draft had he not gone in 2011.
I wanted the Cavs to pick this guy 4th. He's a center and could have had his work ethic re-enforced by being around Anderson Varajao. The city came off a really good relationship with Ilguakas (he did a lot of great things in the sizable Slavic population here also) , he was respected and well liked here. Most importantly he wasn't going to play this year which would have gave a presumably real bad team what its wants most...hope in some slightly distant future and a early lotto pick. Rubio's sucess this year has really helped up Valencuinas stock and even made David Kahn (top 5 all time nba bad gm's) look good. Kahn's no longer on that list, purely because of the Rubio pick. I thought that not having him here would help us get Barnes in 2013. With all that said the front office and the fans here like Tristan Thompson a lot. He plays hard, blocks shots and has a goal to be a poor mans LaMarcus Aldridge. Less range but more defense and a ethic to get better. He's a good kid too and other players dont like to play against because he tries hard even when he cant get a board he'll bang into a guy. If you look at some teams with lots of lotto picks and a young hopefully bright future, they have bad fit, attitude and hard to motivate guys. Ala Sacramento(bad fit and attitude), D.C.(would think run and gun high flyers Wall, McGee, ?Vessly?). Irving, Thompson, Gee and Casspi are team first guys that hustle. From a talent standpoint they fall shorter as a group but let you build a group that you can nurture.
Nice write-up, but I personally believe that this kid has even the tools too trump Pau Gasol at almost every aspect of his game (maybe not defensive positioning). Maybe it´ll take him a few years more than Pau needed to acclimate to the NBA style, but eventually I think Jonas could be the best big man ever to come from Europe, I´m that high on this guy.
coachworthy I love that statement and love the approach Cleveland is using.
Better then Pau...I definitely hope so ha.
Better than Pau, he will never have the fluidity and feel Pau has. There is not 10 guys in the world that do. If the Lakers went back to giving Pau the ball at the elbow and have guys run around his they would be a much better teams. He's getting older and playing in a unmotivated place right now but he is still Pau Gasol.
I love the pick, and I hope Valanciunas is successful here.
But I'm trying not to get too hyped about him until I see him adjust to the NBA. I think he's one player where "speed" of the game might be an issue. The difference in quickness from euro to nba might hurt him defensively. I think he'll be solid whatever happens, but it could put a ceiling on him.
In any case, I'm sure he's working his butt off over there to prepare for this. So I hope it works out.
As a raptors fan, we're really not doing a good enough job at tanking. I'm still hoping for a Calderon and Bargnani trade at the deadline this year.
^^^why would you trade your best player in Andrea Bargnani when you could pair him up with Jonas(plus hes injured) offense/defense combo(and bargs is showing more effort on defensive side). If they can gel togather that would be a good front court all you would need is a pg(jennings?), Demar to actually care and develop(he seemed zoned out during play sometimes), and a sf(MKG, or Barnes in Draft) and you are headed in the right direction.
I would trade Bargnani for a few reasons
1) He's not a bad player, but he's not a franchise player. The raptors are rebuilding and Bargnani is not even an all-star caliber player. I think he's past the age where he'll become the next Dirk. I'd rather trade him now and get good picks / young players.
2) In the NBA is better to really bottom out and build through the draft. I'd rather tank the next 2 years and try to get 1 or 2 superstar quality guys.
3) Cap space flexibility itself is an asset. It allows you to make lopsided trades when other teams blow their budgets.
4) Demar is not on track to be a superstar either. I'm not convinced that he's more than a Jamal Crawford type. Valanciunas could be very good, but there's no indication that he's a superstar in the making.
Overall, my philosophy is to completely gut a team, tank, and acquire young players until you find a franchise guy. The fact is you need the next Durant, Rose, Irving, etc if you want to win a championship. Best way for the raptors to do that is through the draft. Next best is acquire a bunch of talent and see who pans out.. venture capitalism basically.
I'd say that Valanciunas would have to have been a top 4 pick this year along with Barnes, Davis and Drummond as after those 3 I personally feel there is a bit of a gap.
If Toronto get another high pick this year and Valanciunas comes over this year then the young core there with DeRozan and Davis will be excellent. Also if their best player Bargnani returns to fitness they have him or at worse what he would bring in via a trade. I've always been a big Bargnani fan but I could see how perhaps aq change of scenery might do him good and as a skilled 7 footer in his mid 20's then his trade value would be high with other top bigs either near retirement or not likely to be on the market.
If Toronto could get Harrison Barnes via the draft then they could easily keep all their bigs and develop the team from there.
Valanciunas' team did not qualify for the Euroleague this year. They are in the Eurocup.
As far as where he would go, it is hard to see a great deal of difference between him and Meyers Leonard as players and NBA prospects.
Potential wise why couldn't he be the first pick? I personally think people are too stuck on the names Drummond and Davis. Sure they have great potential but why do they HAVE to be picked first or second? Do they really have that much more potential than everybody else? Nobody else has a chance? He plays against better competition than most college players and puts up just as good if not better numbers and even did it against team USA. He also is considered to have Pau Gasol potential? I'd say he would honestly have a shot at going number one overall why not?
I love the Raptors future. If Jonas is what he seems, and with his reported work ethic, barring injury, he should be, and another top pick... say Barnes or MKG, this team is right on the OKC path.