[valentine]

Since there’s basically nothing interesting happening in basketball I might as well generate some discussion with a less-serious topic. 

So where would you project Dennis Rodman in the 2014 draft? 

Let’s assume you had the advantage of hindsight, and knew what his was going to be. 

Would you take him in the top 3?

[benny15Participant]

 with the advantage of hindsight? definitely. when you have the chance to take a sure fire hall of famer on your team, you go for it.

[benny15Participant]

 with the advantage of hindsight? definitely. when you have the chance to take a sure fire hall of famer on your team, you go for it.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

Theres so much that would have to happen in regards to the team he was at. The guys on those Detroit teams forged him into the man and player he became, as well as Mike. I don’t think he would become the player he was without that environment

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

Theres so much that would have to happen in regards to the team he was at. The guys on those Detroit teams forged him into the man and player he became, as well as Mike. I don’t think he would become the player he was without that environment

[barbabodomParticipant]

 With the advantage of hindsight he´s a top3 player. Whitout this advantage, I believe he would go undrafted. Put monster numbers, but in division II and had poor measurements for a PF

[barbabodomParticipant]

 With the advantage of hindsight he´s a top3 player. Whitout this advantage, I believe he would go undrafted. Put monster numbers, but in division II and had poor measurements for a PF

[sweaterflexParticipant]

Coming out of college he likely would be compared to Kenneth Faried or a less flashy Aaron Gordon.  It’s also possible he would have been encouraged to develop his game differently, possibly with a focus on finishing pick and rolls with his athleticism.  Big men  with elite man to man defense and rebounding tools who don’t block a lot of shots have a difficult niche to find in the NBA.  With the advantage of hindsight I think the Magic take Exum #4 and grab Rodman with their second first rounder.  The Celtics and Kings would have given him long looks.

[sweaterflexParticipant]

Coming out of college he likely would be compared to Kenneth Faried or a less flashy Aaron Gordon.  It’s also possible he would have been encouraged to develop his game differently, possibly with a focus on finishing pick and rolls with his athleticism.  Big men  with elite man to man defense and rebounding tools who don’t block a lot of shots have a difficult niche to find in the NBA.  With the advantage of hindsight I think the Magic take Exum #4 and grab Rodman with their second first rounder.  The Celtics and Kings would have given him long looks.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 You clearly don’t have a clue what kind of player Rodman was.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 You clearly don’t have a clue what kind of player Rodman was.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would also need FORESIGHT to tell my how good Wiggins, Parker, Randle, and Smart will be.

Rodman looks like a top 5 pick, but he COULD NOT score, and not a shooter.  Can you be out there without being a scoring option?  He was a pretty good passer but not a ballhandler.

I think he came into the league at EXACTLY the right time with those Bad Boys teams, played with David Robinson in a great role, and then played on the Bulls in another perfect role.

Best part about him would be he would be the PERFECT guy to play LeBron James.   I mean, TEXTBOOK.  Then you can put him on Durant or basically ANY big from Blake Griffin to Z Bo to even centers like Dwight Howard.  

Downside: He played a physical defense that may get him into foul trouble today.  So he gives you ELITE rebounding and individual/team defense but with some negatives as far as offense goes.

Ironically, he would be a GREAT fit on today’s Bulls teams.  He and Noah would DOMINATE on D and on the glass.  Then you also have Pau as a scoring big and Taj Gibson as a longer, leaner, athletic power forward.  That would basically be the reincarnation of the Bad Boys team with some scoring on the wing to go with D Rose as the new Isiah Thomas.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would also need FORESIGHT to tell my how good Wiggins, Parker, Randle, and Smart will be.

Rodman looks like a top 5 pick, but he COULD NOT score, and not a shooter.  Can you be out there without being a scoring option?  He was a pretty good passer but not a ballhandler.

I think he came into the league at EXACTLY the right time with those Bad Boys teams, played with David Robinson in a great role, and then played on the Bulls in another perfect role.

Best part about him would be he would be the PERFECT guy to play LeBron James.   I mean, TEXTBOOK.  Then you can put him on Durant or basically ANY big from Blake Griffin to Z Bo to even centers like Dwight Howard.  

Downside: He played a physical defense that may get him into foul trouble today.  So he gives you ELITE rebounding and individual/team defense but with some negatives as far as offense goes.

Ironically, he would be a GREAT fit on today’s Bulls teams.  He and Noah would DOMINATE on D and on the glass.  Then you also have Pau as a scoring big and Taj Gibson as a longer, leaner, athletic power forward.  That would basically be the reincarnation of the Bad Boys team with some scoring on the wing to go with D Rose as the new Isiah Thomas.  

 

 

 

 

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

"can you be out there without being a scoring option?" Well considering the number of championships Rodman has, don’t we know the answer to this? Yes you can have a non-scorer on the floor.

There is also no evidence that Rodman hurt his team’s offense. He played major minutes on many good offensive teams and they played better offense when he was on the floor than when he wasn’t. He was very intelligent, a good passer, and when his team missed, there was a decent shot he was going to go get the ball and another opportunity for the team.  

If you "know" he will be the greatest rebounder of all time (with a huge gap between himself and number two) and you know he will be an elite rebounder, then you take him number one. It is that simple. 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

"can you be out there without being a scoring option?" Well considering the number of championships Rodman has, don’t we know the answer to this? Yes you can have a non-scorer on the floor.

There is also no evidence that Rodman hurt his team’s offense. He played major minutes on many good offensive teams and they played better offense when he was on the floor than when he wasn’t. He was very intelligent, a good passer, and when his team missed, there was a decent shot he was going to go get the ball and another opportunity for the team.  

If you "know" he will be the greatest rebounder of all time (with a huge gap between himself and number two) and you know he will be an elite rebounder, then you take him number one. It is that simple. 

[druneave3Participant]

If I have hindsight with the entire 1986 NBA Draft Class I would draft him top 3. 3rd if Arvydas Sabonis and Drazen Petrovic in this scenario have long NBA careers. #1 overall as is. No other player affected the game more than Rodman from this draft. HOFer. As much as I liked Johnny Newman as a player….. and Kenny "Sky" Walker’s hair, and that one dunk….

 

 

[druneave3Participant]

If I have hindsight with the entire 1986 NBA Draft Class I would draft him top 3. 3rd if Arvydas Sabonis and Drazen Petrovic in this scenario have long NBA careers. #1 overall as is. No other player affected the game more than Rodman from this draft. HOFer. As much as I liked Johnny Newman as a player….. and Kenny "Sky" Walker’s hair, and that one dunk….

 

 

[XYRYXParticipant]

Which dunk do you mean? Got a link (please don’t embed, I’m using mobile devices)? Thanks 

[XYRYXParticipant]

Which dunk do you mean? Got a link (please don’t embed, I’m using mobile devices)? Thanks 

[gbmantisParticipant]

I’d take ‘The Worm’ at #4 in the 2014 draft. He is one of the greatest role players of all time, but even with the hindsight to know he would have a hall of fame career, I think as a GM I would be rolling the dice to try to get a franchise talent. You’re not going to win a title with Rodman as your #1 option, and maybe not even as the #2 option, unless he is paired up with Lebron or Durant.

If I could choose one current team to put him on, I would put him on New Orleans. Have him guard the better scorer of the other team’s pf or C, and let Davis roam the paint and play free safety.

I also think he would be a great fit for the NY Knicks. The only way Melo can win a title is if you surround him with defensive minded, rebounding role players, similar to the team that Iverson went to the finals with.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Well of course you aren’t winning a championship or even NBA games if you make Rodman your number 1 option. Of course if you start your strategy with Rodman is going to shoot twenty times per game, then you will lose. But that isn’t the point. The draft is not the only way to get a scorer. You can pick up a scorer like Nate Robinson off free agency. Even elite scorers like Melo is available for trade. Heck Love is a high volume high efficiency scorer and he just got traded.

If you can have the undisputed greatest of all time at a major major skill like rebounding, then you have to take that number one.  

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Well of course you aren’t winning a championship or even NBA games if you make Rodman your number 1 option. Of course if you start your strategy with Rodman is going to shoot twenty times per game, then you will lose. But that isn’t the point. The draft is not the only way to get a scorer. You can pick up a scorer like Nate Robinson off free agency. Even elite scorers like Melo is available for trade. Heck Love is a high volume high efficiency scorer and he just got traded.

If you can have the undisputed greatest of all time at a major major skill like rebounding, then you have to take that number one.  

[gbmantisParticipant]

I’d take ‘The Worm’ at #4 in the 2014 draft. He is one of the greatest role players of all time, but even with the hindsight to know he would have a hall of fame career, I think as a GM I would be rolling the dice to try to get a franchise talent. You’re not going to win a title with Rodman as your #1 option, and maybe not even as the #2 option, unless he is paired up with Lebron or Durant.

If I could choose one current team to put him on, I would put him on New Orleans. Have him guard the better scorer of the other team’s pf or C, and let Davis roam the paint and play free safety.

I also think he would be a great fit for the NY Knicks. The only way Melo can win a title is if you surround him with defensive minded, rebounding role players, similar to the team that Iverson went to the finals with.

[Robb_CParticipant]

You would have to have a Chuck Daly or Phil Jackson type of coach, to get the most out of rodman… and typically those guys arent drafting in the lottery..

 

you guys have to understand rodman was a different breed of human being, any coach or GM would think twice about drafting a guy like that top 5.. 

[Robb_CParticipant]

You would have to have a Chuck Daly or Phil Jackson type of coach, to get the most out of rodman… and typically those guys arent drafting in the lottery..

 

you guys have to understand rodman was a different breed of human being, any coach or GM would think twice about drafting a guy like that top 5.. 

[barbabodomParticipant]

 When was the last time a player from a NCAA Division II team or lower was drafted?

[barbabodomParticipant]

answering my question, it was Flip Murray in 2002.

Here´s a good read: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/07/23/what-happened-to-all-the-great-division-ii-and-iii-players/

 

[barbabodomParticipant]

answering my question, it was Flip Murray in 2002.

Here´s a good read: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/07/23/what-happened-to-all-the-great-division-ii-and-iii-players/

 

[barbabodomParticipant]

 When was the last time a player from a NCAA Division II team or lower was drafted?

[tjedwardzParticipant]

He wouldn’t be tall enough, big enough, athletic enough, or possess enough scoring ability to make it in today’s NBA. Kenneth Faried is the new Rodman and even he had to learn some post moves and be athletic enough to dunk  over the biggest guys.

[tjedwardzParticipant]

He wouldn’t be tall enough, big enough, athletic enough, or possess enough scoring ability to make it in today’s NBA. Kenneth Faried is the new Rodman and even he had to learn some post moves and be athletic enough to dunk  over the biggest guys.

[barbabodomParticipant]

Exactly! He would fly really under the scouts’ radar. Probably his best shot to enter NBA would be via Summer League

[barbabodomParticipant]

Exactly! He would fly really under the scouts’ radar. Probably his best shot to enter NBA would be via Summer League

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

You guys are missing the point. Rodman’s size is meaningless. Rodman rebounded in a way that no one has even come close to consistenently doing. If you KNOW that he will rebound in that fashion, then he gets drafted. Spend some time looking at Rodman’s stats. The disparity between what he did as a rebounder and everyone else who has ever played the game is mind boggling. Reggie Evens has some stats that are compareable.  Reggie is actual for one season second in rebound % for a year in between Rodmans 1 through 8. But Reggie never played half the defense or had the passing ability of Rodman. 

Rodman was crazy different. And I believe it was in many ways the right way to play the game. One guy, dedicated, to going and getting the ball. I think that is powerful. Remember, he was the fifth option on offense. How often does the play really end up at the fifth option? Lets get him focused on what really maters, getting the ball when option 1 through 4 misses a shot. 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

You guys are missing the point. Rodman’s size is meaningless. Rodman rebounded in a way that no one has even come close to consistenently doing. If you KNOW that he will rebound in that fashion, then he gets drafted. Spend some time looking at Rodman’s stats. The disparity between what he did as a rebounder and everyone else who has ever played the game is mind boggling. Reggie Evens has some stats that are compareable.  Reggie is actual for one season second in rebound % for a year in between Rodmans 1 through 8. But Reggie never played half the defense or had the passing ability of Rodman. 

Rodman was crazy different. And I believe it was in many ways the right way to play the game. One guy, dedicated, to going and getting the ball. I think that is powerful. Remember, he was the fifth option on offense. How often does the play really end up at the fifth option? Lets get him focused on what really maters, getting the ball when option 1 through 4 misses a shot. 

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