Where will Lebron be ranked in history after this season if...
The Miami Heat are NBA champions, and he is selected as the Finals MVP.
He is the regular season MVP.
He is selected on 1st team all nba, 1st team all nba defensive team, Starting All star.
And his stat line is around 26ppg, 9rpg, 7apg, 1spg, 1bpg, 53%FG,
He will basically finish the season with a career total of +21,000ppg placing him past Walt Bellemy as the 32nd all time leading scorer after only 10 seasons.
His resume will be:
- 2x NBA champion (2012, 2013)
- 2x NBA Finals MVP (2012, 2013)
- 4× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009–2010, 2012-2013)
- 9× NBA All-Star (2005–2013)
- 2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2006, 2008)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (2004)
- NBA scoring champion (2008)
- 7× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2013)
- 2× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
- 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009–2013)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (2004)
Upon the completition of this year, where do you see Lebron Ranked all time?
Best player ever. without a dobubt..i know 99% of the world wants michael jordan to be the best forever but thats just simply not true. jordan was good and a good ro-model for kids but i mean come on, you cant honestly say that he was better than lebron. no1 thought that any1 would be better than jordan and now lebron is. and honestly i really dont think there will be any1 better than lebron anytime soon. hes just on a different level. Hers someone i honestly think will be the best player ever for a long long time. maybe in 50 years there will be someone as good but hes just on a different level. anyone who cant see that just dosnt know man
"a good [role model] for kids"?
top 50 All-Time its hard to guage where he'd be in that top 50 maybe 30, maybe 20 but LeBron has already lost 2 Finals, something Jordan never did and the whole decision thing will forever throw off his legacy, so I'd say top 20 and by the end of his career top 10
lebron brought a team in celeveland who had no other all stars or any business being in the finals to the finals and ran into a semi dynasty spurs team... the jordan comparisons are crazy... jordan lost in th eplayoffs six times before making it to the finals remember. Everyone talks about his 6 for 6 in the finals remember he sarted his career 6 for 6 in playoff losses... 20th is a joke, Lebron is not jordan now but anyone who you could put ahead of him played the majority of their careers with at least one hall of famer
I don't see what the joke is. There's a reason it took Jordan 7 years to get to the Finals. He had to go through the Celtics during Bird's prime... And then right after that, he had to go through the Pistons who'd peaked right before the Bulls did.
The Bulls were terrible from top to bottom when Jordan was drafted. He had to be patient and learn to trust the front office and the rosters they put around him.
and if you want to bring the ring argument into play and minimize the game aspect does that make robert horry one of the 20 above lebron? I am sick of the stat jordan never lost a finals... your right but he did lose 9 times tryi8ng to make it there.
lets see heres a fun stat... the chicago bulls jordans last year 57-25 one year after jordans first retirement 55-27. Cleveland Cavaliers last year with lebron 61-21 one year after lebron left 19-63, jordan had a team who competed for a title without him losing only two more games... while lebron had a team that lost 42 more games and was worst in the east tell me who was more valuable
It's already been established why that is the worst argument ever.
Cleveland tanked to get the #1 pick, teams didn't do that in 1993. Look at the Bulls after Jordan left in 1998, you'll see a similar drop off as Cleveland a couple years ago.
This explains it better, that arguement is ignoring what really happened.
And only Jordan left Chicago that year, plus they gained Kukoc. Cleveland lost LeBron, Mo Williams (played 36 games then got traded), Varejao (missed 51 games) and Jamison (missed 26 games) all for a good chunk of the season.
Exactly, Cleveland also got a new coach, Jamison only played 56 games, and they played Samuels and Harangody 19 mpg down the stretch, Christian Eyenga 21 mpg. All three are marginal NBA players, 2 are out of the league before age 25.
On the other hand the Bulls had 3 guys who made the All-Star game, one being a first ballot hall of famer, possibly the greatest coach of all time 2 guys who made an All-Defensive team, a All-Rookie 2nd teamer who dropped 11 a game out of the gate.
Jordan leaving a good team that still wanted to compete, and Lebron leaving a team trying to tank to get the #1 pick in the midst of a coaching change have very little to do with any sort of forced next season comparison.
Michael Jordan's resume
- 6× NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
- 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)
- 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)
- 14× NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)
- 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
- NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
- 10× NBA scoring champion (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
- 3× NBA steals champion (1988, 1990, 1993)
- 10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)
- All-NBA Second Team (1985)
- 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
- 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1987–1988)
lebron is my favourite player of all time...but the truth is....hes playing in an era where theres no hand checking and a little bump warrants a foul.
jordan got elbowed slapped punched kicked....you get the point. he destroyed offensively when they were allowed to push and bump him a ton....if he played these days he would score 50 every night like spreading butter on some toast.
also look at the competition jordan went up against...yes he had a very good team but who didnt in that era? you had stockton malone then barkley and his crew and etc.
lebron will be a top 5 player of all time by the time hes done and maybe even number 2 but i just cant see him ever taking jordan's spot. also i dont know how many more years he has in the league as the most dominant and best player...KD is really coming into his own and ppl say lebron will dominate for another 10 years but how? hes 28 how will he continue to dominate when hes 35-38...unless he develops a midrange jumpshot like kobe or jordan that wont happen. in four years do you think lebron will still be the best? as much as i love him i cant see that happening...i feel like he has peaked and will stay there for two three more years and thats when KD will take over or maybe even someone that we havent seen yet.
One thing you should know is that yes Lebron didnt play with handchecking so he could score easier, but could you imagine if he was allowed to handcheck people? Nobody would be able to get past him!
I think that Lebron is a top 10-15 player based on his career thus far and he will most likely keep climbing as his career goes on, but those of you saying that he is better than Jordan must all be like 15 years old and remember jordan from his wizard days or something. If only Jordan hadn't retired in the middle of his prime, he and the bulls could have very well reeled off 8 straight championships. Lebron still only has 1!
He would be top 10 but on the lower half.
It's highly unlikely that Lebron will ever pass MJ.
But I absolutely hate it when people act like it's completely impossible.
Is no where near MJ, we've established that many times. But I think must also be said, that probably before the end of his career, he will be higher on that list than Kobe. Thats right, I said it. Think about it for a second, for every MVP this guy wins, and everytime he revists the finals it will be because of him. Not anyone else on that team. I believe it was said he'll move into the top ten of best players ever. And I agree wholeheartedly.
In my opinion, in order to be in the Top 10, you have to be transcendent. You have to change the game. LeBron is THE only positionless player. He is the only guy who could be placed at all 5 positions and be top 5 at every single one. No one else could do that. Not even Jordan. I'm not sure if anyone can be better than Jordan purely because he brought basketball to its highest possible peak, and that peak can't go any higher. However, by the time the King retires, Lebron will be #2 all time, mark my words.
Lebron has lost his chance to surpass jordan. He needs to focus on surpassing kobe. I don't even count his first loss in the finals against him because it was only his 3rd season. He lost in the finals by not being productive against dallas...mike has never lost once he reached the finals period. Secondly mike was stopping greats from getting rings(malone, reggie, payton, etc). Mike was playing better competition because the players were more skilled. They actually stayed in college until they were ready to be productive in the NBA. Lebron has olympic failures and Mike does not. I understand the world has caught up some but tony kukoc petrovic and don't let me get sabonis were no slouches. I could go on and on but I would be typing all day. Lebron and kobe is a better argument.
theres always a chance.