[theprophetParticipant]

Where do you think these players will or should go and for how much?

Michael Carter-Williams
Jeff Teague
Derrick Rose
Kyle Lowry
Brandon Jennings
Trey Burke
Jrue Holiday
Chris Paul
George Hill
Tim Hardaway, Jr.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Dion Waiters
JJ Redick
Shabazz Muhammad
Tyreke Evans
Kyle Korver
Otto Porter, Jr.
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Danilo Gallinari
Rudy Gay
Gordon Hayward
Paul Millsap
Kelly Olynyk
Nikola Mirotic
Jeff Green
Serge Ibaka
Tiago Splitter
Nene
Adrian Payne
Alex Len
Pau Gasol
Blake Griffin

and if I didn’t mention someone, feel free to add anymore if I forgot anyone worth while.

[ChewyParticipant]

 D-Rose- I’ve proven I can stay moderately healthy, and I finally wasn’t the one starting drama for my organization. However, I also keep trying to be a jumpshooter when that is still my worst ability. So deserve around 7-9 mil a year and need to accept a back up role. Hopefully as a scorer off the bench behind Rubio in Minnesota.

JJ Redick- I’m a shooter. Everybody needs me. I still have a few good years left. This is probably my last 3-4 year deal. 13 mil a year.

Hayward- Whether it is Utah or Boston, I’m getting the max. Utah has nice young talent that I’ve been playing with for a few years now. Boston has a lot of talent and isn’t in the same conference as GS.

Splitter and Nene- We are big and willing to rebound. Even the small ball NBA still pays rebounders and screen setters. 15 mil for us.

 

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Are floor spacers or rebounders more valuable in today’s NBA? I’d say a 3pt shooter is more valuable. A big who can rebound a bit can be had for much less than 15mil. I’d pay Redick more than either Nene or Splitter. 

[ChewyParticipant]

 But with all these teams moving towards jacking up 3’s… The team with the most offensive rebounds has a significant advantage in the shooting battle. Cavs have shooters, they need TT to get more shots up. 

If I were a GM, I’d secure 2 quality rebounders/screeners and then take whatever shooters are left, even if that means missing out on a Korver or Reddick.

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Detroit has a top 2 rebounder in Drummond surrounded by average rebounders (Morris, Harris, Leuer etc). What they don’t have is floor spacing, especially with Jackson injured. That led them to 37 wins this past season. With a healthy Jackson creating a bit more space the previous season, we had 44 wins. I just think you can’t win without 3pt shooters. You can still put up good win numbers with a lack of rebounding (see Boston) but not with rebounding as your focus. That’s why I think 3pt shooting is more important. 

[publius2481Participant]

 Kyle Lowry- Worth the max, should stay in Toronto. His career has shot dramatically upward there.

Gordon Hayward- Worth the max although if he leaves Utah he should also get a player option for the 4th year (allowing him to sign a new five year deal at the 10+ veteran level). As a Celtics fan I am biased, but I think Boston is the best place. The team should be a contender for a long time and getting to work with Brad Stevens is a big bonus.

Chris Paul- Worth the max, but may have trouble geting it is San Antonio which is where I think he should go. Any player should want to play for Pop if the opportunity arises.

Kelly Olynyk- Stretch 4 and those have value. I will say 13 per year for 4 years. Minnesota could use a young stretch 4 and KAT would help hide Olynyk’s defensive flaws.

JJ Redick- Everyone needs shooters and this will be my big payday. 15 million per for 4 years. Would thrive in Houston if they had interest.

 

 

 

 

[lakesidebenParticipant]

 There seems to be misconception that KAT is a defensive stopper (and that Rubio is weak defensively). He struggled on defense last year and had a horrible 4th quarter defensive rating. He certainly can’t make up for others’ defensive faults. The best fit next to him would be a rim protecter.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I can see Splitter or Nene chasing a ring in Golden State if Pachulia and McGee cost too much.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I could see Pau retracing his foot steps, either in Memphis or LA.

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 MCW: To a contender who needs their p.g that can hold the fort for a few mins a game:4-6 mill per.

Teague depends on if he wants to start or play for contender: If start Orlando or Indianna make sense if Contender Spurs/Jazz 8-12 mill per makes sense

D-rose Should try get on a contender that will prolong his career OKC(if he will take discount) or Spurs if about Money Knicks or Kings maybe…6-10 mill per or 15 -20 mill over a short period..

Lowry Toronto if he wants to get paid and be focul point if he wants to go contender Spurs or Cavs make sense..Depends on what he wants money(max) or Ring Discount 5-15 mill per..

Jennings;Wizards or Detroit: 2-6 million per.

Trey burke-Is hard one to pick as I don’t see him lasting much longer but my guess is a rebuilding team make take a chance or a contender may give him one last shot my guess is minimum..

Holiday:NOLA(he may want to repay them for loyalty) or Mavs make sense-12-18 mill per

CP3: depends is it money or Ring if its Money LAC if its ring: Spurs,Cavs,T-wolves(if they go all in and get a mello+ a few others at least on paper) maybe houston but does he fit there/can Harden be effective being a sg again..Price Max or what ever it takes to get his ring..

George hill depends on where he goes Jazz he will try get reasonable deal or Spurs a reasonable deal I could see 12-18 mill per

THjr depends on who goes after him a team that may need shooters may give him  look or he could stay put in Atlanta.. I could see anywhere from 5 million-10 mill per being his ceiling

KCP all depends on who is dumb enough to pay him apparently Nets are high on him and Detroit owner has told Stan to no let him go so…Unfortunately this guy could go from anywhere 16 mill-max deal for him..

Dion W: I see him trying to get it done in Miami 12-18 mill per sounds like it would get it done..As he may offer hometown discount but if someone comes in with more you never know..Especially after the misout on the Gordan  Haywards and CP3s of F.A…Would love him back in OKC as our back up PG/SG but don’t see happening 🙁

J.J some team will be dumb enough to pay him due to his shooting ability I could see Lakers,Detroit or Houston taking a look at him…But the price he wants-Apparently 15 mill + vs what he will get is dependable.

Shabazz- Some rebuilding team may take a look at him my guess is 5-8 mill per max. I am not a huge fan of his due to his blackhole offense at times..

TY evans : If he wants ring to go to contender Cavs make sense and he could help spell Kyrie/Lebron or Spurs but if he wants money then I see a team like: Dallas,NYK or Sacramento being in the convo. Wild card would be OKC…But it would be for much there..

Kyle Korver: Cavs vet min..

Otto P: Wizards or Nets apparently the NETs are really high on him…All depends on if Wiz will match a Max.near max deal that is most likely coming for him..

Bogdan: Wizards make sense for him 4-8 mill per makes sense..

Danilo: depends if it is money or winning: If money he will probably go somewhere like Nets or Philly if rings/Contender: OKC,Rockets,Spurs,Boston or team that may surprise us like NOLA,T-wolves or Lakers if the get P.G and one other piece..

Rudy G: depends if its money or Ring/Contender if Money hard to say who would take a flier on him Miami if any cap room left after Waiters and J,J could work..If Contender(Well outside of GSW,Spurs,Cavs): OKC,Washington,Cavs all make sense I could see 5 mill per to 12 mill happening..

G.hayward: Boston or Utah most obvious(Max from either) Wild card Houston…A run and gun system could maybe help get him even more stats..

Millsap: T-wolvs,Rockets,Suns,Clippers,Heat,Boston,Indiana,L.A,Dallas,Denver,Philly,Detroit,Cavs,Spurs. All make sense. If its money then MAX is what it will take if rings I still see at least 15 mill is what it will take for him to come..

Kelly O : boston: 5-10 mill per.

Jeff green 5-10 mill per that is it(no one will be dumb enough to give him more this time) and I see a contender maybe taking a flier on him..Wild card GSW for vet Min,

Nene: Rockets again what ever the can give him

Alex len: Nets may take a chance on him for cheap 5-10 mill per as they want to get as much youth as possible.

Pau spurs what ever helps them get some more pieces..

Blake;If money LAC if rings then different story He could go anywhere from Boston,Spurs,Rockets,OKC,Wizards,Jazz to Detroit,Denver,T-wolves to Cavs…Range MAX to whatever teams have left..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Splitter or Nene would never get $15 million a year. I agree that GSW may look at them. Nene has always been considered a high character guy with a good basketball IQ so I could see any number of contenders being after him if he goes all in for a ring.

I think Lowry remains at Toronto and I also think Hayward remains at Utah given that Boston his main suitors have two top prospects at SF via the last two drafts.

CP3 I think will talk to a lot of teams and what him and Griffin do will depend on whether each other remain with Clippers.

 

 

 

 

[ZouldiersParticipant]

 Trey Burke has a better shot at Europe or China than in the NBA at this point.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

MCW: Tough one. Don’t know and don’t really care. Don’t really like him that much but he could be a good backup on a contender, or the starting PG on a rebuilding team. 

Teague: Indy or Utah (If he’s okay with rebuilding than its Indy, if he wants to win but still start its Utah. Indy will likely rebuild next year as I expect Paul George to be dealt to either the Cavs or Lakers this offseason)

D-Rose: He won’t stay in New York, MCW will likely leave the Bulls, Rondo might end up getting bought out as will Dwade, but won’t happen until mid-season. So I’d love to say the Bulls, but I think I’ll go with OKC or Denver.

Lowry: Toronto or Spurs

Jennings: Wizards

Burke: Don’t know or care. Used to like him but after the bad taste he left in my mouth with the Jazz, I’d much rather see him overseas. (He couldn’t even make it on the Wizards as Wall’s backup, wow that’s not good)

Holiday: Mavs. I don’t think Smith gets the ROY next year. I expect the Mavs to find a veteran starter for now, but will use Smith as his protege. 

CP3: Rockets or Spurs

Hill: Pistons, Bucks, or Spurs

Hardaway Jr.: Hawks

KCP: Pistons, Nets will make a strong offer to him but I believe he’s a restricted FA, therefore Pistons will match the offer and get him overpriced

Waiters: Miami

JJ Redick: Cavs

Shabazz: Wolves, good backup SG/SF for Wiggins or Butler

Evans: New York or Cavs

Korver: Cavs

Porter: Wizards

Bogdan: Wizards

Danilo: Wolves

Gay: Miami

Hayward: Utah, If Utah tells him he will have control of the offense next year, which they should, then he will stay. He is their best passer and he doesn’t even play the PG position therefore he should still be given the keys to their offense just as Houston did with Harden the previous year yet he played SG. Utah loves him, and Boston already has plenty of SF’s and just drafted one who is a good shooter, so I think they’ve given up on getting him. Miami is the next best spot for him, but they will look hard at Rudy Gay and I think they will get him. Pretty hard to turn down a team that offers you the keys to the offense in my opinion.

Millsap: Houston is looking at signing Paul, Blake or Millsap. I believe if they are able to trade Anderson, Beverley, and Lou Williams they will have enough to sign 2 of those 3. Since I already said OKC for Blake, that leaves Millsap to go to Houston in search of a ring. I hope he gets it, he’s earned it, but I still the Warriors have a better team in the West.

Olynyk: Boston

Jeff Green: I like him, but I don’t really care where he ends up as long as its a contender

Nene: Rockets

Len: Suns, Still think that they have a chance to make the playoffs next year. Suns need to keep him, as he’s their best shot at Center still on the team, and if Chriss doesn’t hit the rookie wall next year, then they are a lock for the playoffs as the 8th seed in my opinion.

Pau Gasol: Memphis Would love to see the Gasol brothers on the same team at some point. Good end for Pau’s career.

Blake Griffin: OKC 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I hope Hayward stays with the Jazz. If Hill leaves, Jazz should run the offence through the wings with Hayward/Ingles (assuming Ingles stays too) taking the bulk of the responsibility. Hopefully Exum gets a bit longer leash from Snyder and wins the starting PG spot (or backup if Hill stays). 

Boston could be trying to position themselves for a sign-and-trade for Hayward by acquiring all these wing players. Crowder/Brown/Tatum could all be used to try and sweeten things for Utah in a S&T. Having said that, I think Utah is building something special and I hope he stays with them. 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 Choppy, you don’t want Dante as your starting PG if you are Utah. Utah fans and coach have seen enough of that and he was not good. Turned the ball over too much and it just didn’t work. Why do you think they got Hill last off-season? He started to show real promise towards the end of the season as a SG. That’s where he should stay. This is what I expect the starting lineup to be next year:

PG: Teague, Hill, Dwill, or Teodosic (right now I’m putting it in that order, but Dwill and Teodosic are interchangeable. Teodosic is last only because I haven’t seen too much of him)

SG: Exum

SF: Hayward

PF: Favors

C: Gobert

Mitchell will backup the starter, whomever they get after Hill signs elsewhere which I totally expect. Ingles will backup Exum, then Hood backing up Hayward, Johnson or Diaw backs up Favors and then Withey(if he re-signs) will backup Gobert otherwise Bradley will be his backup.

Trust me, I am a jazz fan and I am convinced Exum is better off as a 2 guard. I have been since the day he was drafted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Admittedly I haven’t seen heaps of Utah games this year, but what I saw was Exum had a much shorter leash than some young players. From the limited amount I saw it looked like he’d be yanked for making a mistake whereas others were allowed to play through theirs. Also, he’d go many games without playing and then end up starting. That’s difficult for any young player and it looked as if he was playing scared, afraid of making a mistake and getting pulled. Which invariably leads to more mistakes. Did you see this or am I way off base? 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 I saw this too but to be fair, the reason why Snyder was pulling him if he made too much mistakes was because Snyder was trying to make the playoffs. He knew that if the Jazz didn’t make the playoffs with all the veterans they got, it would have been considered a loss and Hayward would for sure leave. Since they did and made it to the 2nd round, now Hayward will have a tough choice but ultimately I think he will stay, because the Jazz would be wise to have him run their offense, and its hard to turn that down. Exum was used mostly as a point guard to start off his career and made a ton of mistakes and turned the ball over too much. He also forced up too many shots playing the point, and couldn’t get the Jazz set up in their offense. Then towards the end of the previous season, Snyder finally found gold in him by playing him as a SG. He was able to come off screens, use his atheltic body better, was a better spot up shooter. In the end he looked better as a SG then he did as a point. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Yeah I get that Snyder had to aim for the playoffs – I don’t fault him for that. When you’re in "win now" mode, you have less focus on development. My point is, would Exum have developed better as a PG if he had been given the coaches confidence to play through his mistakes? That torn ACL really stuffed him because it took away one valuable year of development. Now Utah is a playoff team and he has to be better (and he isn’t). He really missed that year. 

If Exum is, as you say, more of a 2 guard and still only being 21/22, what do you think his ceiling is? 

[r377Participant]

George Hill – Coach Popp wants me back in San Antonio. If Hayward stays in Utah, I will stay in Utah (loyalty and younger). If not, I will go to Spurs for about $10-14mill per season

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

I would love to have Hill back in Utah but I consider retaining Hayward more important. Once the jazz retain him they will focus on Hill. Unfortunately it will take the max to retain Hayward, and will therefore have a tough time offering Hill 10-15 mil per year if they want to stay under the luxery tax. After those two re-sign they would have to retain Ingles, Withey and Neto. I don’t think the Jazz have that much money in free agency. (especially after they offer Hayward the max) Therefore if they are only able to offer Hill 8-10 mil in order to retain Ingles and Neto too, (If you want Hayward to stay then you have to keep Ingles too because they are best friends. If Ingles goes then Hayward will leave too) then Hill would be better served to sign with the Pistons, Bucks or Spurs for 10-15 mil like you suggest. This is why I think the Jazz might have to look elsewhere for their starting point guard next year. I suggest Teague, Dwill or Teodosic. Right now, now its in that order but that might change if I’m able to see more of Teodosic.

[r377Participant]

I am KCP, I have not signed an extension with the Pistons so they drafted a SG to replace me. I am sick of playing for an 8th seed and sick of watching Reggie Jackson play hero ball and Drummond shoot bricks at the ft line.

I head to Brooklyn for 5 years at $15-20mill. I have D’Snitch and Jarrett Allen there as young pieces. I don’t go out partying with D’Snitch and just keep our relationship on court.

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