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Where Are the International Players in the Draft?

OK guys, I haven't followed basketball, especially International ball as closely as I did in the past. I'm essentially out of touch so forgive me. I just checked the 2012 Mock Draft and unless I missed it, I didn't see any international players in either the first or second round.

Did I miss someone? If not, why isn't there a single International player listed? Every year it seems as if there are always at least 3-5 European players who attract a lot of draft talk, but none this year?

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maybe we could see evan

maybe we could see evan fournier (from poitier) cracking the first round.

Apparently the nets are very high on evan Fournier this year, the same way they were very high on bogdanovic last year. A man called Danko Cvjeticanin is becoming more and more important in the "decision process".

According to a source closed to assistant GM bobby marks, the nets would be willing to draft fournier between 15 and 25. The boss of european scouting Danko Cvjeticanin (who has worked with billy king for more than 10 years) is the man who pushed billy king to spend 1.5M to get the early 2nd round pick (which ended in bogdanovic). And he would be very high on fournier.

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/valanciunas-motiejunas-mirotic-singler-bogdanovic-diebler-2011-nba-draft-surviving-season-over

another player to keep an eye on and who could be a late firs round draft pick : furkan aldemir. He's very good and could attract a team willing to let him develop 1 or 2 years in europe (buyout issue) à la mirotic motiejunas.

Shengelia, chrysikopoulos (1 greek for EB), satoranski, rudy gobert, cesar lima, gentile, radosevic, kuzmic, nedovic, cantekin, nogeira (as every year...) could all take their chance this year and be second round picks.

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haha, I thought this was

haha, I thought this was going to be a European Baller rant.

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Is this European Baller's

Is this European Baller's other account?

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Nah, that is Bryan

Nah, that is Bryan Colangelo's account.

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Remanja Redovic is 1 player

Remanja Redovic is 1 player to keep an eye on,he's a point guard that plays alot like Goran Dragic..

Augustus Lima was in alot of mocks at the start of the season,but he got injured and had to sit out alot of games,some said he came back to early and it affected his game,that caused his stock to drop ...

Rudy Gobert is a guy with alot of promise,he has to gain more strength..I read somewhere that he doesnt feel that he's ready for the nba yet and will stay overseas another year...

Phillip Neumann is a skilled 7 footer from Germany ,that will get a look in the 2nd round..

But dont Worry NBA Teams Are KNOWN to WASTE their 2nd round picks on alot of Foreign players..That will NEVER Play in the NBA

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"But dont Worry NBA Teams Are

"But dont Worry NBA Teams Are KNOWN to WASTE their 2nd round picks on alot of Foreign players..That will NEVER Play in the NBA"

while this is true, i think with so much talent on the board, it will not be the case this year.

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Here's your internationals

Andrew Nicholson

Kris Joseph

Robert Sacre

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Int'l Players Update

Hey, thanks to everyone who contributed so far, I especially appreciated the update from Junkyard Dog. I must admit I never heard of any names on his lengthy list.

Why aren't some of those names JunkyardDog listed on the NBA.draft 2012 mock, which was the case in past years? Did something change?

And does anyone know if the new NBA contract changed the buyout clause. If I remember correctly, NBA teams were allowed to contribute a maximum of only $500 thousand to buy out a European contract. That was a ridiculously low amount in today's high priced contracts.

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Remanja Redovic is 1 player

Remanja Redovic is 1 player to keep an eye on,he's a point guard that plays alot like Goran Dragic..

Nemanja Nedovic. He plays nothing like Goran Dragic for now. He has potential to develope in future, but for now he is big disapoitment. He clearly lacks playmaking abilitys or scoring insticts. His coach Svetislav Pesic, one of best in europe (the one who lead famus junior team of Kukoc, Radja, Divac etc in Bormio and Yugoslavia to world champion back in 2002. where they beat USA in QF) uses him on SG in qite uncompetitive Zvezda rooster as he clearly isn't PG. He has potential to be perheps best euro slasher, but he looks like he just can't figure out how to use properly his abilitys.

Satoransky is interesting player. Tall, athletic PG. Reminds bit on Marko Jaric

Zubcic, Radosevic, Papanikolau, Kuzmic are some of 90. born players who could get drafted in 2nd round, but I'm not sure any of them will ever become NBA players

There are no much Euros because 93. born generation lacks some sure NBA prospects, while others older are already drafted. But there is some intresting players in 93. born generation like Miljenovic, Van Oostrum, Karanowski, Ponitka etc.

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In Greece being discriminated

In Greece being discriminated against...duh

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He has Furkan Aldemir going

He has Furkan Aldemir going 52nd. But Evan Fournier, Tomas Satoransky, Rudy Gobert and Augusto Lima IMO should be drafted if they enter

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The mock drafts are very odd

The mock drafts are very odd in how they are ommitting all the good European players. I have tried to bring this up here and I just get ruthlessly attacked and insulted for doing so.

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Shengelia, chrysikopoulos (1

Shengelia, chrysikopoulos (1 greek for EB), satoranski, rudy gobert, cesar lima, gentile, radosevic, kuzmic, nedovic, cantekin, nogeira (as every year...) could all take their chance this year and be second round picks.

As I have already pointed out numerous times. He has had a bunch of injuries and surgeries and has hardly played in 2 years.

There are much better current Greek players that should be on the mock drafts and are not.

Nikos Pappas

Vangelis Mantzaris

Kostas Papanikoloau

Kostas Sloukas

Vlantimir Giankovits

All of them are in their automatic draft year. All of them are healthy. All of them can easily play in the NBA. All of them are better than Chrysikopoulos. None of them appear on a mock, but a guy that has barely played in 2 years, often is.

That is how stupid these mocks are, and how stupid the NBA teams are in how they chosoe players. This is just the Greek players. Never mind all the other European players that they are totally overlooking.

This current mock on all the sites is very odd. They are just totally ignoring numerous European players that are WAY BETTER than numerous Americans that they have listed on all the mocks.

And I don't give a damn what anyone says in terms of bull&$#%#&@!, lies, and excuses to claim otherwise. It's true.

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European Baller

I think you do some attacking as well. Just wondering where you feel these players should be drafted? If you made a set group of rankings, maybe we would have a better idea of the upside you see in these players at the NBA level. Honestly, why not educate rather than just continue to be infuriated? I am genuinely interested in where you feel these guys should be drafted.

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And I don't give a damn what

And I don't give a damn what anyone says in terms of bull&$#%#&@!, lies, and excuses to claim otherwise. It's true

Insted of of just claming you are right, you could back up what you were saying with some evidance, and crush my post with facts. Insted you find your self insulted. Well I gave you some facts that Stefan Peno from Serbia was alredy singed by last summer by Barcelona at younger age then "Vas", I showed you fact that 99. born Slovenian Luka Doncic got invited many times by Real Madrid to play for them as he is on their wannted list, just like he is on wannted list by almost evrey bigger club i Europe and you didn't came here with evidence may words are lies, not yours. I named bunch of players who were singed or wannted by big clubs at young age and you didn't came vith evidence. and so on. It's for your own good.

You can be insulted, but I tell you honestly don't use fake and imagination informations just to convince people some kid is talented. Here I will help you with your kid, but with some REAL FACTS

http://www.eurohopes.com/news/1637/the-stars-of-bellegarde/

Tournament played for 96. born kid. I can only remeber few players like Saric and Rubio that had better stats against older competition at that that point in such competition. Mabe Lovro Mazalin will have even bigger impact. At the moment he is even more dominate then Saric and Hezonja was at that age in Croatia. He averaged 23pts. per game in agaist some 3 years older players. Tough tem missed Arapovic, best team player and ranked best 96. born player in Europe by eurohoops and some other important player so his prodution will fall

http://kosarka.org/main.asp?dir=news&newsid=44011

All this stats are not only thingg that matters, and "Vas" might real be most taleted European player ever I wish him all good luck, but this are some backed up facts, not created in my mind.

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Yeah Im with Mikey

Yeah European, I'm interested in where you would rate them as well. It seems like you have came a long way and have finally been able to post without completely getting pissed off and into a pointless argument immediately, so where do you think they belong? 1st round? 2nd round? Lottery?

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$500,000 Buyout Limit?

Can someone advise if they have the answer to the question I posted earlier in this thread. Does the NBA still have a maximum $500,000 buyout for European players or was that meager amount increased as a result of the new NBA contract?

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I think saw sowere they

I think saw somewhere they raised limit to 5,5 to 6, 5k, but can't remember where I saw it. I will look to find it

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Looking forward to seeing

Looking forward to seeing Jonas Valanciunas come over. I think he canmake a big impact next year for the Raptors

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I don't think the limit has

I don't think the limit has changed (500000) right now, but there was some talk during the lockout and I think it was planned to increase year after year (I heard something around 750000).

(I don't have the courage to search for more details right now : hangover...)

There is so much more international prospects (all those greek players EB named, andrew albicy in france....) but there is clearly a lack of talent after fournier, aldemir, Papanikoloau (he's actually an interesting prospect).

Just one thing for EB : I say it another time but you have to understand the spot you are drafted doesn't show your level (your quality as a player)... it's about upside, potential, luck, lobbying, players managers, size, teams needs (...)

Mock drafts are only forecasts and It's often a lottery (that's why it's interesting :) )

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International players • In

International players

• In the previous CBA, NBA teams could spend up to $500,000 to buy players out of contracts with overseas teams, with the buyout amount not counted toward the salary cap. The buyout amount in the proposed new deal will increase by $25,000 each season.

• The international player buyout rules, per Hunter's memo, also apply to U.S. players playing overseas. For example, an NBA team will be able to pay a Chinese team up to $500,000 to release an NBA player who signed in China during the lockout, such as Wilson Chandler or J.R. Smith. Without a buyout, these players will be unable to return to the NBA until the end of the Chinese Basketball Association season (the last game of the finals is set for March 30).

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329408/new-items-added-nba-collective-bargaining-agreement

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Buyout Clause

Thanks Pohani. $25,000 per year? Are they on drugs? What kind of increase is that?

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I think it's really interesting trying to assess European players versus American college kids whom they scout all season.

I remember when Coach G Popovich turned down Louis Scola which he now claims was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.

I also remember when Gorin Dragic first came over and foolish guys in this forum were immediately calling him a bust. I tried to point out he was a young kid at the time, he had to learn English, a new culture in America, and he had to adapt to the NBA all at the same time. A couple of years later Dragic turned into a gem.

Of course there were many European guys who were busts and I attribute that to very poor scouting across the ocean. I think the level of research and scouting on these guys has improved over the years.

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Nemanja Nedovic is my

Nemanja Nedovic is my favorite Euro prospect personally. I personally think his game will be better suited for the NBA than Europe. Not nearly as high on Satoransky as everyone else seems to be. Just has too much Planinic,Vujacic, etc in his game. Anyone know anything about Paul LAcombe? He's a big guard with NBA athleticism that I haven't heard anything about in a while but he was definitely a potentil second round steal.

Steal have no idea how Roko LEni Ukic didn't pan out. I remember thinking he should have gone first round in 05 with his all-around game,size, and defense. Perhaps Toronto simply wasn't the best place for him.

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Ukic didn't pan out because

Ukic didn't pan out because he lacks feal for game. Al situatiaon when to pass, where to pass, reading ofense, defense, when to penetrate etc. come very unnatrual to him. Many ties he is bit late on reaction or complicate simple thing way to much. For sample like when penetrating many times you can see him that insted of just blow by his man after he created edge he would step back, do few extra dribles and then just get lost. He ipruved lot last 3 seasons, he is hard worker an smart guy but just lacks tat feal for game

Satoransky is not like Planinic at all besides size. Much smarter and more athletic then Zoran. Very stable type of guard.

I didn't get chance to watch Lacombe to much but I liked him. Looked skiled and decentley athletic and creative on first look.

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Paul lacombe is far from

Paul lacombe is far from being an nba prospect... doesn't have the body (strength, quickness...) or the skills (average handle and passing skills) to play in nba. He is less talented than antoine diot (Le mans) who had back injuries which should kill his career and doesn't possess the feel for the game that nando de colo (maybe with the spurs next year...) or leo westermann have. Lacombe can score but not very regularly. He's a good teamate and worker but seems just too limited for the nba.

Westermann has a great feel for the game (and passing and shooting skills with early leadership) and should become a very solid european player. I'm very high on him... he has even more confidence than de colo who showed mental weeknesses in the past (but less scoring instincts). He also shows great bball IQ and knows how to be effective without scoring.

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Steal have no idea how Roko

Steal have no idea how Roko LEni Ukic didn't pan out. I remember thinking he should have gone first round in 05 with his all-around game,size, and defense. Perhaps Toronto simply wasn't the best place for him.

I think Ukic could play in the NBA easily. It's just he needs to be in the right team. I am wathing him the last couple years playing with Fener in Euroleague and it's clear that unless he has the exact conditions how he wants things - he won't do well.

The NBA teams just lost patience with him and I am sure Fener almost has as well. The guy is a really skilled offensive player. He has everything you want a scorer to have. I think of him as more skilled version of Jamal Crawford.

But the problem is that something just is not right with how approaches the game. I agree that he does not have the instincts for the game. So because of this, he can't play point guard the way it needs to be played.

On the other hand, he can't play shooting guard because he demands to have the ball the whole time.

Ukic would be one hell of a player in a one on one, or two on two league, maybe even in a three on three league. But in five against five, he just lacks some kind of awareness for the game. But he could definitely play in the NBA easily. It's just that his ego is big.

He is not going to accept being a two guard, and I think even in Euroleague this is going to be his demise also. Because if Fener loses patience with him, which I think they are, then I do not see him getting the lead role in another big European club.

He's going to end up like Planinic and playing in a club like Khimky during Eurocup years, if he isn't careful.

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Satoransky is not like

Satoransky is not like Planinic at all besides size. Much smarter and more athletic then Zoran. Very stable type of guard.

I didn't get chance to watch Lacombe to much but I liked him. Looked skiled and decentley athletic and creative on first look.

Planinic is a really talented player though. He is not as athletic at all, but he has really good skill level. Planinic just is a big disapointment. His career has turned out way below what it should be. He is now in the level of top 3 or so Eurocup player, when he should have been one of the best European players in the world.

I don't know if it is low basketball IQ like everyone says. I think it is really that he just is lazy. He can run a team very well when he wants to.

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