When they were young, players i saw in hs some who are on there last leg in the nba,some never made it(for the youngins)
JERRY STACKHOUSE-Whew this guy was a straight monster. had a nba body as a soph had bounce and the quickest first step of any hs and college player at the time. he was extremely aggressive with a ok mid range but his first step was so fats that he would use that alot to get to the rim and dunk on anyone who was there. was also stronger then most big men and could post up and score down low. took pride in defense and loved checking the best player on the other team.
JASON KIDD- didn't watch alot of his game just during the summer when following my bro around during his games(he was a top 75player). basically what you saw early in his career is what you saw in hs. would get alot of rebounds passes were out of this world and could score. could cross yyou up with a quick cross over and seemed to run at full speed all the time beating down other pg who were 4 inches or more shorter then he was
SCHEA COTTON-you know how younger people idolized lebron when he was in hs, well thats how i idolized this guy when he was in hs. he was strong as a ox and could jump out of the gym(think a bigger vince carter. wasnt the best ball handler and couldn't really shoot but at that age i didn't care much about all that stuff. his game didn't change much from his freshman year to his last year playing in hs
KORLEONE YOUNG- i had the misfortune of checking him in a aau tournament and ended up getting my eye busted by a forearm. this guy was a man among boys and looked like he should have been in a mma match. he had some weird scary eyes to go along with his big frame. had some pretty good post moves and a lil bit of handles but used force to do what ever he wanted. The most surprising thing is he also had corey maggette and jaron rush on his team but we blew them out(we were good) but other teams beat them that year as well. with all that talent they were pretty bad as a team)
RON ARTEST-i still have some disdain about this guy because he made the allstar team at five star over me even though i was the second leading scorer at the camp, he made it because of his name and ranking even though he played in one and a half games. Anyway one of the games he played in was against my team and once again i had to check him(wanted to check him to prove myself). he had the most awkward game i had ever seen at the time. when he handled the ball it looked like he was gonna lose it and his arms were flying in every direction but no one could take the ball from him. could also hit the three, midrange and go to the hole strong. just like now his defense was great(i only scored 10points that game) had very quick hands and knew how to reach around and steal the ball from you without fouling
TROY MURPHY-was also at five star camp and was the best big man i had ever seen in hs and college at the time. he was 6'9 with nice size and a hell of a mid range game but could also hit the three. He had great post moves(think demarcus cousins) and talked alot of sh&t. very good passer as well and dominated every big man that he went up against
SAM CASSELL- one of the toughest guards i had ever seen at the time. could handle the ball played good defense, great mid range and a nice deep range. he used to give player buckets with his hesitation then cross over and would talk while doing it. was a pretty good passer but was mostly just a scorer at that point
ALLEN IVERSON- just about anyone in the md/va area heard about him when he was in hs. basically he did everything is hs that you have seen int he nba. used to make people fall every other game and was always dunking on someone. he would hit jumpers but not enough to say he was a very good shooter. players had a hard time getting the ball up the court because he was so quick he would steal the ball. he had another Asian/black looking kid on hs team that was pretty good that ended up going to wake Forrest but i dont remember his name
TRACY MCGRADY-played his hs team and got killed. his game was so smooth and it was so easy for him. could hit the mid range deep ball hand very nice handles could get to the rim anytime he wanted and bounce. basically everything he used to do int he nba. never looked like he was playing hard but could still give you 30. there team was beyond stacked. they had two other players that i thought would make it to the nba..max owens and corey hightower. corey could do just about anything tracy could and max could do everything except jump as high but he broke his leg
RASHEED WALLACE-monster. didn't have alot of post moves and would basically just dunk on people but he did have a nice turnaround jumper. didn't have the range that he has now but would knock down the mid range consistently. very good shoot blocker (in all the games i watched he had at least 5)
KEITH BOGANS- from the first day he played as a freshman at Dematha hs he was one of the best int he city. he could shoot drive and dunk on just about anyone(dunked on Tim Thomas when they played Patterson). He could play in a system or open gym it didnt matter and already had nice size for a college shooting guard even as a freshman. good defender and had a nasty cross over pull up
JOE FORTE-very smooth game. before the nation knew much about him he was killing it during the summer out in Maryland. he had sleepy bounce so he would dunk on alot of people when they though he was gonna lay i up. had very deep range as well as a mid range. on the hs level he had no weaknesses
ROGER MASON JR-another hometown player who had alot of talent but no one really thought he would be a nba player. could always shoot and nice at getting to the basket and was at his best whenever he played in a system. He had many battles with keith bogans and joe forte
DERMARR JOHNSON-at the time he was a skinny lebron with better handles. his cross over was so sick even for a 5'11 pg (he was 6'8 at the time) he had a unstoppable jumper but could also get to the rim and dunk on you. wasnt that good on defense though and didn't seem to work too hard unless it was a one on one move. and this was all during his freshman year in hs. as time passed though he didn't get much better because he didn't really work hard.
TIM THOMAS-when i watched him against Dematha i figured he would go down as one of the best ever. he was 6'10 with sf handles a nice jumper could jump and could block shots. he already looked like he should have been playing in the nba. He could also post up and hit you with a could of post moves to get open if you were his size
Keith Bogans used to be a beast
I liked Roger Mason when he used to play for Virginia. He played for Virginia when I 1st started watching basketball. He had some nice handles and a good shot, same as now, but he seemed like he used to be quicker than he is now.
yeah he was quicker. he has alot of years on his body now
and yeah bogans used to dominate@subzero
theres a couple other nba players ill add later
I remember watching Lamar Odom before he went to Rhode island, even at Rhode Island, he was a smooth operator, so much talent, never maxed out in the league, but he has made a solid career for himself.
Also, Eddie Griffin, he was a monster before getting to Seton Hall, and kind of fell off from there, never adjusted his game once he reached the NBA. But so much talent gone, RIP.
Earl Clark- Saw him play against Haddonfield when he played for Rahway his senior year he had a decent game but I could see why he was receiving all the hype, he was very skilled. He could pretty much do everything on the court well, nut had a bad time matching up with Brian Zoubek (who just finished his college career with Duke)
Brian Zoubek- Played him 2 times a year every year since my Freshmen year in high school. Early on he was big slow and uncoordinated. I could tell he'd grown and wasn't use to his height yet but you could see he had pretty soft hands, a nice touch around the rim, and he understood the game. By his junior year he was starting to look like a big time college player.
I remeber watching Eddie Griffen at Roman Catholic destroy Camden High (when thye had Dajuan Wagner) I think Eddie had about 10 dunks during that game and just looked like a man playing with boys that dude was a monster.
I don't care what nobody says, I'm a fan of Earl Clark. That guy has a bunch of talent, he just needs to get more intense and work hard on polishing his skills more. He has a world of talent, and he's physically gifted too, but he really has to work hard or he could be a guy that I look at and talk about how he didn't reach his potential.
I don't get the love people have for Zoubek lol...I'm still confused on that haha
lol you cant stand him huh...that's the same way my brother was about Sheldon Williams,Cherokee parks, Shane battier...actually i dont think he liked most of dukes big men.
look for zoubek to have a career similar to ostertag
Well I'm a fan from playing him all those years and getting friendly with him during our high school years so I might be alittle bias lol and I agree with you on Earl Clark I think as far as talent goes there's not many his size that can match his talent and everything you said is right about him also he just seems to lose his focus on the court at times. I think that game I saw was one of them were he lost his focus or just had a hard time with Zoubek's size.
I don't see anything when I watch Zoubek...it is confusing to see other people think he's good, but everyone has different views. Earl Clark is an excellent player, he just needs to adjust and work on some of his weaknesses to the NBA game...
zubeck is a pretty good rebounder and has good size. doesnt try to do anything that he knows he cant do(which is pretty much everything else) and is a big body. he's not as talented on offense as alot of other big men who come off the bench but he knows and plays his role. good offensive rebounder too which is always needed. if sheldon williams has stayed int he leauge this long zobeck can stay and play even longer
I personally don't think he'll be all that good a rebounder in the NBA. He should be a solid offensive rebounder no doubt, but I don't think he'll be able to defend or rebound on the defensive end well at all. Everything he does is based on his height, and that helps offensively, but when you're as stiff and robotic as he is I can't see him factoring much on the defensive end or on the glass on that end.
But I don't think he'll see much time either so it doesn't matter. He's more like Randolph Morris to me. That's the best comparison to me.
he should be a pretty good off the bench rebounder. i dont see him as ever being a starter unless some players get hurt but he should be a rotation player. morris cant rebound
Gainsey that Eddie Griffen Wagner game was monumental.
i remenber when Griffin first played the sixers and he had like 5 3's and 5 blocks. A player with his skill set who was as long as him and had his shot would of been unstoppable. Remenber Griffin as a freshmen at Seton Hall averaged 20-10-2blocks. And Wagner was the blueprint under Caliprari for one and done combo guards when he averaged 20 as a freshmen at Memphis
Good point about Wagner. A lot of people forget about his college career because Memphis didn't make the NCAA Tourney, but he still dropped 20 a night; and he was overweight (listed at 6'3, 240).
i dont know who put that weight but he clearly was 240...he was barley 200
Sebastian Telfair was 1 of the fastest players I eva saw with the baskeball..not only was he quick but his handle was crazy n his court vision was great as a young player..Dorrell Wright was said @ da time 2 b da next Tracy Mcgrady physical he. Had da. Size 2 b n he jumped like a po-go stick