I never watched Fresno State play this year so i have no assessment on Greg myself. Im curious to know what Adi Joseph, Aran Smith, and TLI and his basement clan think of Greg Smith. Also I wonder what the consensus belief amongst posters on this site in regards to this prospect.
By the end of last year Greg was thought of as a possibly 2011 lottery pick. His size, and fluidity had people comparing him to Al Jefferson. He was expected to fill the void left by Paul george in Fresno St. and apparently he did not. Although I hear he has improved his game and his body looks even better. I think there is no way he slips out of the 1st round despite seeing so many people mock him in the 2nd. Potential doesnt go away.
I think he'll be another Etan Thomas..Just like Thomas he lacks an outside game and his offensive game is limited,but he's also aggressive and gets to the foul line becuz of his brusing style of play..He uses his body to score around the basket,on put backs & tip ins...I see him as a late or early 2nd rounder..
i dunno bout that, etan has been in the league a LONG time, i don't see greg smith having that type of career
Etan Thomas was a hell of a shot blocker for 6'9 and was good defensively. I can't say the same for Greg Smith.
Isnt Smith like 6'11 260.
"Potential does not go away"
Well, it kind of comes into perspective when a player does not show a great deal of improvement from year to year. He did improve his rebounding, which is encouraging, but the fact that he showed little improvement in the scoring category has to temper your expectations. I mean, even you admit that he went from a lotto pick in your eyes, to, well, not a lotto pick.
Year by year, potential fades. Greg Smith is not quite in that category yet, but I am guessing his staying an extra year did more to expose him than show he will be a legit post presence. I will give an example, in Darius Miles, who is nothing like Greg Smith, but this is an example of tempering ones expectations as far as a players "potential". Darius, in my mind, had a great rookie year for a player out of HS, he was a monster athlete and even though the Clippers sucked, at the time, he had the best rookie year of any after 1995 HS player besides KG. However, the next year, he put up almost the EXACT same numbers. Not incredibly encouraging. Wait though, than he gets traded to Cleveland for Andre Miller, this is his time to really be more of a focus right?
Well, what was seen as a major steal for Cleveland, turned out to be Darius putting up the same numbers once again! You know what that meant to me? Well, I thought to myself, "maybe Darius is not going to be the player I thought he was. Maybe he is not going to live up to the potential his fantastic length and athleticism looked like they might have in store for him." Even as he had slightly better seasons, you could see an attitude, a lack of any mid range (and NO long range) game and horrendous ball handling mixed with equally terrible decision making. Yes, Darius had potential, but each season became a gauge of seeing how his potential might be tempered. That instead of having the potential most thought he had, which in most peoples minds was of All-Star capacity, he was probably more of a role guy. Injuries hurt him later on, but those first few years were enough to know that Darius Miles was not going to be joining a number of players he had been compared too. I remember coming to near blows with a guy who got pissed off when I laughed at the notion of him becoming a "Tracy McGrady type player". Well, I guess he did become one, just not the Tracy McGrady that was associated with being an explosive scorer and All-Star level player.
Well, my point is, Greg Smith looking like Al Jefferson and playing like Al Jefferson are two different things. Al Jefferson was a player that showed strides and was able to be a role player in the NBA immediately. He improved in most of his first few years, and while he has probably peaked at what he is now, he is indeed not a bad player and has at times even played near an All-Star level. Greg Smith had a wonderful opportunity to do that this year, and him not ceasing it to me flashes warning signs.
Also, Rudeboy_, curious how he will be another Etan Thomas? If you mean a decent body who you might want for depth near the bottom of your rotation, he could be that. But, Etan had a gift as a shot blocker that Greg clearly does not seem to have. Not to mention Etan showed improvement every year he was in college. I could not have the whole story on the Greg Smith thing, and his size is obviously intriguing, but I think you have to be worried about his potential to improve after his mediocre sophomore year in a mid-level conference he more than likely should have dominated. Maybe their were issues with the guards getting him the ball, but while his potential might not have "gone away", it will be difficult to justify him being ahead of a bevy of players who have shown major improvement through their young careers.
Alot of 6'10 250 guys lack the outside game that doesn't mean he is Etan Thomas, he lacks the defense as of now but does have the offensive potential down low to be a much better scorer then Etan was. He kinda reminds me of Jeff Pendergraph only slighly bigger and Pendergraph was a little more polished coming in.
mike I dont care what planet you live on, if Livingston could have potental after numerous surgeries, Thabeet still has a great deal of potential to this day, and even a guy like Scotty Hopson still hs potential despit never fixing his inconsistancy issues or improving on his vast amount of weakness`s then after one year I think its afe to say Smith never lost his "potential". Miles was reinvited nto the league for his "potential" years after his drastic knee injury.
There is nextto nothingc in the C position available in this draft. I expect Smith to be this years Dexter Pittman. He will likely go higher then he should, to a team with vets, that lacks interior presence.
the next Waymon Tisdale!!! Thats like comparing O'Bryant to Brad Daughtery lol
i really liked the Jeff Pendergraph comparison for him!
I did not say he has no potential. He will get better. But, I am saying that he does not have the potential he once was thought to have for good reason. The Dexter Pittman comparison is well and good, though I think Dexter is a slightly different case as a once overweight player working his way to NBA conditioning. It is just slightly discouraging that a player who averaged 30 mpg and is built like a brick $hit house did not do slightly better this past year. He could be worth a late first round pick or early second, but I have very low expectations as far as his success. The players you mentioned, even if it is due to unfortunate circumstances, all were potentially much better players than Greg Smith.
He could put it all together, always possible and stranger things have happened (though he is not a 6'7 PG, a 7'3 player with a monumental wingspan or a 6'9 fantastic athlete. Get what I am coming to here, who do you think he turns out like? If you say Al Jefferson, well, they may have the same body, but their basketball ability at similar stages, not so much), but I am not bowled over by his potential. The late first round is a crap shoot, as I have said many a time, but if you have a chance at a player who can help your team a little more immediately, why draft a project Center? Did Daniel Orton help the Magic a lot this year? Second round is probably cool, after all the contract situation is much better, but I think his first round prospects are iffy, even with the lack of Centers in this years draft. If he impresses in workouts, I may be way off, but tell me, after you have seen him play, do you think he has that much more potential than many players gunning for a late first round spot? I think I might be reading what you are saying wrong, but, potential does go away and becomes less and less overtime as we see how a player adjusts. He still has potential, he is young and he has height and a body teams could work with, but did his potential not at least possibly change in your eyes? You sure made it seem that way. I guess potential does not go away, but it certainly can change upon further seeing a players capabilities, and I think Greg Smith falls into that category right now.