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Whats up with James Harden???

He seems to be slumping real bad.. In my mind, he started to start slumping around like late march and choked away the last reg season game against the lakers and he nearly choked away this game too. Now in this series hes been shooting 36% from the field and 19% from deep and today he shot 4/12 and 0/4 from deep so his percentages are gonna go down even more... Thank god he gets his fts but I don't think i've ever seen those types of numbers from a star level player in the playoffs. Just tired? Inexperienced in playoffs? but still 36% and 19% whats going on??


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He needs to take Parsons out

He needs to take Parsons out to dinner for picking up the slack tonight. Those last two mins were painful to watch them run the offense through Harden, and by that I mean Harden dribbling at the top of the key for 18 seconds and throwing up a prayer, and they did it three possessions in a row.

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I am going with his first

I am going with his first playoff series as "the man" so it will take a bit of an adjustment for him. In OKC he was playing off of Durant and Westbrook in the playoffs, where as he is the target and we know the playoffs are more intense, so give him another 1-2 years.

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Well, keep in mind it's a

Well, keep in mind it's a series so he's facing the same team every game and they've made adjustments. I'd factor that in with the extended minutes, being the man, playing in OKC's deep playoff run, the Olympics, and now this season. It's a growing/learning curve for him.

What I don't understand is why he doesn't attack the basket when he has a big on him i.e. Serge Ibaka or Perkins and when he has Fisher on him... That should be an automatic two points everytime. He's definitely struggling though and it's hurt Houston all series long. IMO Houston should be up 3-1 in this series. The hold on Perkins for the Thabo dagger three in Game 2 (Debatable) and the awful game 3 finish with Harden's late TO's and missed FT's (As a whole they missed too many late and turned the ball over too much in the final minutes of the 4th quarter.

As a fan, I'm excited for what the future holds for our young Rockets. I see Harden, Parsons, Asik, Jones, Lin, and Beverley as a good core to build around. I hope we can bring back Delfino and Garcia. Hopefully we can bring in another star such as Dwight Howard or LaMarcus Aldridge.

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apparently hes been shooting

apparently hes been shooting 39% through march and april. this slump is actually longer than i thought
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardeja01/splits/2013/

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He's just not good in the

He's just not good in the playoffs, people so quickly forget how terrible he played in the finals last year for OKC. It was one of the major reasons they picked Ibaka over him for the long run.

Doesn't matter how good you are in the regular season, if come playoff time you can't bring it then you're just not that good of a player.

Yeah he can have some 40 point games now and then, but so can Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford, J.R. Smith and other great 6th men if given starter minutes and being the #1 option on offense.

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"Yeah he can have some 40

"Yeah he can have some 40 point games now and then, but so can Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford, J.R. Smith and other great 6th men if given starter minutes and being the #1 option on offense."

Yeah, none of those guys can be a #1 option on offense. James Harden doesn't just put up some 40 point games now and then, he averaged 26-6-5 for the season. Not exactly chopped liver.

He lead the league in FT/PG this season and is doing the same in the post season. He's the primary ball-handler for this Rocket team and dragged a lottery team into the playoffs.

He's also one of the better defenders in the L at the SG position. In terms of defensive win shares, he's on the same level as Thabo Sefolosha, Evan Turner, and Andre Iguodala at 3.0. Compared to Crawford (1.7) and Robinson under Thibs (2.4)

He's 5th in TS% amongst all guards in the L compared to Crawford (22nd), Robinson (42nd), and Smith (58th).

So not only is he one of the most efficient guards but he is 1st in TS% amongst guards that shot over 1,000 shots. (Curry, DWill, Wade, Kobe) Meaning that he is doing it efficiently and doing it consistently.

His AST% (% of teammate FGs assisted by Harden when on the floor) is 25.7% compared to Smith (14.5%) and Crawford (14.4%). Robinson's was higher but lets face it, at the end of the day, he's a PG and James is a SG.

Yes, he's struggling but it is his first season as the face of a franchise after being the 3rd best player on a team. It's a tough transition period that he's having a hard time getting through.

Yes, he hasn't proved that he can lead the charge in the playoffs so far.

But, please, do not compare Crawford, Smith, and Robinson to James Harden. While they're having their best seasons, James Harden did better than them in the same role as a 21 and 22 year old.

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Playoffs

That's a pretty cool story, except we were talking about the playoffs. I never said he was bad in the regular season, I said he doesn't bring it come playoff time.

Current Playoff stats:

FG%: .364 (Way lower than reg. season)
3P%: .160 (Just awful)
FT%: .820(Lower than reg. season)
REB: 6.5 (Higher than reg. season, most likely due to all the bricks)
AST: 4.3 (Lower than reg. season)
STL: 2.3 (Higher than reg. season)
TOV: 5.0 (Way higher than reg. season)
PF: 3.4 (Higher than reg. season)
PTS: 25.3 (About par for reg. season)

So from the basic view of stats; he can't shoot, he's significantly more turnover prone, and he's fouling at a higher rate.

But since you wanted to get all fancy-pants and go into advanced stats:

His defensive win shares is 0.1 (compared to 3.0 in reg. season)
True Shooting is .510 (compared to .600 in reg. season)
Effective FG: .390 (compared to .504 reg. season)
Even his PER is much lower sitting at 17.3 (compared to 22.9)
His offensive win shares is at a surprising 0.0 (compared to 3.0)

So again, as I was saying, he doesn't show up in the playoffs, he's actually borderline terrible.

I know you're a Rocket a homer, but you really can't argue with these atrocious stats.

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You are basing this off of

You are basing this off of four games and saying the stats are atrocious? The guy is gassed. I know he hasn't been a defensive minded player but he hasn't even tried at times. He seems to save all his energy for fast breaks and drives to the basket.

He averaged more minutes and a lot more shots and free throws this year and your trying to say he is just bad in the playoffs based on this years four game series and the finals last year. He is averaging roughly 25, 6.5, and 4.5 with over 2 steals a game while looking exhausted and shooting poorly. If he had the same kind of bounce and energy as he did early in the year he would get 30, 7, and 5 easy.

Give him a break its his first year as the man and he has been run into the ground this year he is tired and needs more experience

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It's 4 games. Yes he was bad

It's 4 games. Yes he was bad in the finals last year, but he KILLRD the spurs in the WCF.

Everything TOL23 said was right except he can't guard anybody, that's pretty obvious. But he is super efficient and taking small sample size stats and determining from those that he can't perform in the playoffs is just dumb. He's worn down from the ridiculous burden the rockets gave him this season.

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Yes, his playoff statistics

Yes, his playoff statistics are horrible but he's adjusting to a new role and has defenders flying to him whenever he touches the ball. OKC is in an "Anybody But Harden Offense" and that's the reason everybody else has been blowing up in this series. You would know that if you watched any game this series instead of boxscore watching.

In these playoffs:

J.R. Smith: 16 points off 15 shots
Robinson: 17 points off 13 shots
Crawford: 12 points off 11 shots

Harden: 25pts off 19 shots. Tell me again how efficient the other guys are.

In these playoffs:

Smith: 2.7 FT/PG
Robinson: 2.0 FT/PG
Crawford: 2.3 FT/PG

Harden: 12.5 FT/PG. Tell me again how versatile they are scoring the ball.

In these playoffs:

Smith: 3.7 RPG
Robinson: 1.2 RPG
Crawford: 2.0 RPG

Harden: 6.5 RPG. Tell me again how much better they are than Harden on the glass.

In these playoffs:

Smith: 1.3 APG
Robinson: 3.4 APG
Crawford: 1.5 APG

Harden: 4.3 APG. Tell me again how they can be a better #1 option while creating for others as well as themselves.

In these playoffs:

Smith: 0.2 BPG, 1.0 SPG
Robinson: 0.1 BPG, 0.9 SPG
Crawford: 0.2 BPG, 1.0 SPG

Harden: 0.8 BPG, 2.3 SPG. Tell me again how they affect more areas than Harden does.

I am NOT AT ALL denying that Harden is having an atrocious series shooting the ball. I'm agreeing with you, so your numbers are really obsolete because of the fact that that's not what I'm arguing. I'm telling you that there is NO WAY IN HELL that Crawford, Robinson, and Smith are as good as Harden or could be as good as Harden if they were the #1 option on a team. If they were the #1 option of the team, they wouldn't even be in the playoffs.

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Lmao James harden one of the

Lmao James harden one of the best defenders in the the league at his position? You clearly don't know what your talking about. James harden is not a good defender at all and honestly rarely tries and puts in the effort on that end. He wasn't a good defender when he played for the thunder which Scott brooks has said several that he needed to work in it. I don't care what the numbers say all you got to do is watch him play and get beat back door 9/10.

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How could Kevin Mchale stand

How could Kevin Mchale stand him today he just threw what he gets. It was painful, he should go to the rim and find open shooters that has been key to their success this season. Hope he can get his head together and help my man Chandler Parsons and win a couple of games more.

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http://vorped.com/bball/index

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1112

Here's a look at his shot chart from the last 30 days... It's very unbalanced, seemingly he's only been respectable percentage wise in the paint, with 53%, but from midrange to long 2's he's shooting only 14.7% and 28% from 3..

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I love James Harden, but he

I love James Harden, but he has really looked bad lately. If he didn't draw so much contact by completely running into people he wouldn't be averaging many points at all.

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I feel like he's settling for

I feel like he's settling for too many threes, especially late in games (at least from the games I've seen this postseason). Someone made a good point on here a little while back about how his mid range game needs to get better and the opposition said that it doesn't make sense to take mid range jumpers when he can get to the rim or take a three. The fact is though that in the playoffs you just aren't gonna get good looks from deep going one-on-one. Just my opinion.

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The Rockets may not even be

The Rockets may not even be here in the play-offs if it wasn't for Harden's incredible play this season. He's still finding himself as a star, this experience is more good than otherwise not to mention the incredible job that Scott Brooks and Thabo Sefolosha have done on him.

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I suppose, shoot I aint going

I suppose, shoot I aint going to lie if they can force harden into a jumpshooting game and not letting him get to the rim at will, that game would had been over last night. Seems like the same Harden for the Finals, could have won it too

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1. He's not a superstar 2. He

1. He's not a superstar
2. He was garbage in the finals when it mattered last year too

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LeBron was garbage when it

LeBron was garbage when it mattered most 2 years ago, right? Does this have any bearing at all on what people now think of him?

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It sure as hell did at the

It sure as hell did at the time.

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The point is...because James

The point is...because James Harden has struggled this playoffs doesn't mean he is a choker and can never do it.

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Never said he couldn't. But

Never said he couldn't. But as of now he needs to do something differently if he wants to take Houston anywhere meaningful.

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Strategically he definitely

Strategically he definitely has chocked at the end of the last two games.

Forget FG% with Harden. It is meaningless because it doesn't count any of the times he gets fouled and hits two FTs. You have to look at TS% or some other stat that takes into account the huge amount of times he goes to the line and the fact that he generally hits his FTs when he gets there.

Note OKC can put Sefolosha on him and Sefolosha is generally considered a top ten wing defender in the league. That is tough and going to make Harden look bad. Also he should not expect to get too many foul calls against the Thunder and their stars.

But basically I think the guy is gassed. He has been playing huge minutes with the fastest paced team in the league and handling the ball and attacking 30+ times a night. He isn't scoring as well. But he is dropping down from one of the best four or five scorers in the league to being simply very good (and while I don't have the numbers available, I suspect his TS% even in this slump would beat the career averages of many of the scorers mentioned above).

Playoffs are hard though and a lot is being asked of him. No one has forgotten the finals. But we who are fans of Harden are also just chalking that up to a learning experience and part of the growth process. If he has this same problem when he is 26, then we can start talking about this being a real issue.

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I'm a believer in James

I'm a believer in James Harden going forward, but he's been bad. As usual, I love the way he gets to the free-throw line, but he's just been terrible... And at both ends to be honest. I've never seen a guy turn his head so much on the ball on defense.

And offensively, even though he's shooting a lot of free-throws, I feel like he settles for the long step back jumper too much.

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