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What's the difference between Kendall Marshall and Myck Kabongo? Who's better?

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What's the difference between Kendall Marshall and Myck Kabongo? Who's better?

Haven't been on here in a while, but I wanted to ask this quick question and see what responses I get. I recently was looking over the player profile's on two of favorite players for the 2012 draft. These are two the players that I want my favorite team to draft. (Utah Jazz, draft one of the 2) Kendall Marshall or Myck Kabongo. The reason why is because both of them are fast first PG's. One is younger (Kabongo), and one is taller (Marshall) Those two things matter very little in basketball today. Yes, size matters, but we've seen tons of small guys make up for their small size with hard work, and effort. What really matters is their skills.

I've noticed that both Kabongo and Marshall are pass-first point guards. And both are not very good shooters. If both are able to add a nice jumpshot or able to shoot well from 3, then look out. So what's the difference between the two, who's better? If you were the Jazz, and you were on the clock with these 2 PG's to decide between who would you draft? (Of course this is implying that the entire season is cancelled and the draft order is decided based on last year's records, and a snake format for the second round. (pick 31 is the best team in the league, pick 30, basically same order as first round except reverse)

This would be the lineup you have to look forward to:

Kanter, Jefferson(back up Favors), Hayward, Burks, Kabongo or Marshall


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Kabongo is much more athletic

Kabongo is much more athletic yet smaller than Marshall. Kabongo can be a one man fast break while Marshall isn't as fast. Marshall is a better pure passer at this point but is more of a liabilty defensivley.

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Kabongo and Marshall seem

Kabongo and Marshall seem very very different really. I mean sure both of them are good passers and bad shooters, but that's about it.

Kabongo seems to actually have an offnsive game and is very quick with crazy great handles. He can slash to the rim pretty well too and has the potential to be a good defender.

Marshall on the other hand will only shoot if he's forced too, is pretty slow for a guard, but has terrific basketball IQ and is probably the best passer in college basketball. Marshall isn't really a pass-first PG, he's more of a only-pass PG.

I mean, I haven't seen much of Kabongo, but from what I've seen, he's nothing like Marshall so asking "what's the difference" sounds quite weird.

Having said that I would probably pick Kabongo in front of Marshall, although I believe Marshall can be very good in the NBA. It's just that Marshall has to be paired with a good defensive guard or your team would struggle against teams with a fast PG (which seems like 60% of the NBA today). Kabongo on the other hand seems more multi-dimensional and will be able to adjust to your team's needs.

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UTAH JAZZ!!!!!!!!

Im also a Jazz fan and was thinking the same thing. Kinda brings you back to 2006 when we had to chose between D.Will and CP3. I would pick Kabango only due to his upside.

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difference

Anton hit it right on the nose, they are very different players due to their respective speeds. I haven't gotten to see Texas play yet but after seeing Marshal against Michigan St.....wow. He is not going to be a PG who is capable of giving you 30 points once a week but he is one that can rack up double digit assists in a hurry. His passing on the fast break is simply incredible and more than makes up for his lack of speed.

However, his defense is average at best at the college level and he will get eaten alive by all of the quick PG's. As far as his shooting abilities, Marshal really just needs to concentrate on becoming a deadly spot up shooter. It would improve UNC a lot and make an NBA team very, very happy.

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Kabongo is a much better pro

Kabongo is a much better pro prospect than Kendall Marshall. Kabongo's a true point guard with decent size, tremendous speed, and great handles. Marshall is also a true point, but he's much less athletic than Kabongo. Neither one of them are good shooters.

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The difference is size and

The difference is size and athleticism, and possibly decision making.

Both are pure PG's who pass the ball very well, but Marshall is a big PG and Kabongo is a skinny PG. Marshall isn't athletic, and Kabongo has very good quickness, speed, agility and nice leaping ability. Marshall manages the game better than any other college guard, and he will make a bunch of great passes in the creases and teeth of the D and still manage to keep TO's low, while Kabongo will force passes and although he has alot of the same ability to make passes in the teeth of the D he will be a little more TO prone. I like Kabongo more as a prospect though, Marshall doesn't have any real NBA-level skill besides his passing skills. He's not athletic, a good shooter, a scorer, or anything more than mediocre as a defender. It's still fun to watch him throw full-court assists though. He's got a knack for passing the ball that is amazing and rare.

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Real question Kabongo or Teague

After reading over everything you guys said. I am really quite embarrased that I even asked this question. I did watch the Tarheels and Spartans play and I knew that Marshall was a little slow and after reading over the player profile on Kabongo, you could certainly tell that even though Kabongo is smaller his speed and quickness is second to none, and obviously better than Marshall. I don't why I guess I just forgot about Marshall's slow speed when I wrote this. Kabongo is certainly better, but just needs to improve his shooting mechanics. Marshall on the other hand needs to improve defensively, shooting mechanics and speed. 2 you can teach, the other you have to live without (speed) Kabongo has the defense and the speed but lacks shooting. That's teachable and with his great attitude and wanting to learn and be better, I have no doubt that he can develop a good shot, maybe not a great shot. His speed, passing skills, and defensive skills more than make up for his poor shooting skills. They will in the future too, even if he is able to improve his shooting. So, of course you would choose Kabongo over Marshall. That's an easy choice, the real question though is Kabongo or Marquis Teague. Both are fast, and okay shooters, and great defenders. One is just a better passer than the other (Kabongo). For the Jazz's style of game, I'd have to go with Kabongo.

One thing I did learn from reading what you guys have said is that Marshall is not a good defender. I knew Kabongo was a great defender, and I thought that that might be the difference but I just figured that Marshall's size and long wingspan would translate over defensively. I guess not. He is 6'3 almost 6'4, most college PG's are 5'11 to 6'2. So he should over shadow most college PG's. He should use his size to his advantage and get more blocks and steals. I guess he just hasn't quite learned how to take advantage of his size yet.

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Both those guys seem to be

Both those guys seem to be only great college players.....And might be average nba players,in the Jacque Vaughn or Eric Snow mode.....Tony Wroten and Ray McCallum might be better pros than both of them...Wroten has the chance to be special if he stops looking to make the spectacular play every time down the court...

Plus i think alot of people have forgotten about Ray McCallum...If he had went to Michigan instead of Detroit,he'll be rated right behind Marquis Teague as the 2nd best pg prospect....

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Haha don't be embarrased for asking the question. While the exact question itself wasn't perfect, the resulting debate between the pros and cons of both PG's has been fun to read. Can't wait to watch Kabongo play.

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Kabongo has the tools to be a

Kabongo has the tools to be a good defender, but he has alot to learn. Especially about fighting through screens and not reaching. He has gotten burnt by Rhode Island's guards in 1-on-1 situations, and in pick and roll D. He's way too reliant on his quickness and length as of now. RIU's guards aren't good enough to keep getting in the lane as much as they are.

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The Powell kid doesn't look

The Powell kid doesn't look too bad, he's only a freshman as well.

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I'm a big jazz guy myself as

I'm a big jazz guy myself as well and just answered this in a previous post, I think Myck Kabongo is definately the pick they will take, he has the ability and speed to get out in the open court and create oppurtunities for his teamates, as well as the ability to run a half court offense just as effectively. Also he is a high energy kid with a dynamic personality which would be really beneficial to a team with no leadership and really no idenity at this point in their rebuilding process.
Also however in your post i noticed 1 flaw, and that was Kanter starting over favors. It won't happen period. They won't substitute favors defense next season for Kanters offense, when they already have jefferson as a liability on that end it just doesn't make sense. Also i had the oppurtunity to meet favors a week ago and he is a flat out monster, the kid has put on at least an additional 10-15 lbs of muscle during the off season and his body type is really starting to reflect that of dwight howard, even if his skillset never gets there.

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Kabongo

Myck Kabongo will have a tough time transitioning to the NBA. Though most of what I've seen of him was in the McDonald's Game, an all-star game, he seems like he would get to the pros and be a turnover machine with his flashy style. Marshall has more of an NBA body and is definitely more pro-ready.

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Ha!

Ah, so quick are Jazz fans to forget…

You know who else was reportedly slow, unathletic and a poor shooter entering the draft? John Stockton AND Deron Williams.

Now you think a faster point guard with higher defensive potential and sketchy decision-making is the better choice for a team that already has somebody exactly like that as their starting point guard? Devin Harris is a taller, more experienced Myck Kabango with better shooting ability.

Marshall isn't much of a scorer, but that's not what he's trying to be. He's also more than just a passer; he's a true point guard. His handle is always under control. It's not as flashy as Kabango's, Rivers' or Teague's, but it’s more effective. His court-vision is nothing short of outstanding, in some part due to his excellent size. It's no secret that Utah likes big point guards that can set strong screens. He isn't a lock-down defender, but he's smart enough to compete. He doesn't gamble as much as Kabango, who actually isn't as great of a defender as some people have stated.

If Utah could choose between any of the three point guards (four if you include Rivers), it certainly wouldn't be an easy decision. I like all the players and don't see any significant distinction in overall talent. Still, if any team in the late-lottery would draft a player like Marshall, my money's on Utah.

P.S. To reach the full potential of players like Kanter, Hayward and especially Favors, you absolutely need a point guard that can create easy opportunities for them.

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Oh

And if the Jazz have an ounce of sense, they'll dump Jefferson using the amnesty clause.

They need both the minutes in the frontcourt and cap space flexibility.

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i call dibs

On Jefferson for the Sixdogs.

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I might be a bit removed from NBA team theory, but isn't Philly also a team that relies on ball-movement and defense?

If so, maybe Jefferson isn't the best option.

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"You know who else was

"You know who else was reportedly slow, unathletic and a poor shooter entering the draft? John Stockton AND Deron Williams.

Now you think a faster point guard with higher defensive potential and sketchy decision-making is the better choice for a team that already has somebody exactly like that as their starting point guard? Devin Harris is a taller, more experienced Myck Kabango with better shooting ability.

Marshall isn't much of a scorer, but that's not what he's trying to be. He's also more than just a passer; he's a true point guard. His handle is always under control. It's not as flashy as Kabango's, Rivers' or Teague's, but it’s more effective. His court-vision is nothing short of outstanding, in some part due to his excellent size. It's no secret that Utah likes big point guards that can set strong screens. He isn't a lock-down defender, but he's smart enough to compete. He doesn't gamble as much as Kabango, who actually isn't as great of a defender as some people have stated."

While I do agree that Marshall is a great passing PG and a floor leader and Kabongo is a gambling machine right now defensively, I do not think that Myck Kabongo is very comparable to Devin Harris. Kabongo is a true floor general at PG as well, and Devin Harris has always been a scoring PG. Harris uses his quickness to score the ball, Kabongo definitely looks to kick out and look for teammates. Kabongo will have no problems getting in the paint at the next level and he also will be a top assist guy and a charismatic leader. I think Kendall Marshall is a very good PG and a more than decent prospect, but I do not see him as the better long term prospect for the NBA. He has better floor vison than Kabongo and he MIGHT be a better shooter, but nothing else about him seems to project better. And even in those areas Kabongo will be neck and neck with him in terms of production

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Fair

Fair, fair and fair.

I wouldn't compare Kabango to Harris if the original poster wasn't asking about the Utah Jazz. Like you mentioned, one is a scoring point guard and the other is a passing point guard. However, similarities between the two certainly exist, and Kabango shares many weaknesses with Utah's current PG.

As with most prospects, I wouldn't dare project the future production of either player without considering what team they could land with. Utah has always sided with players of Marshall's profile over the players that have resembled Kabango (see Williams vs. Paul, 2005), and not without good reason. The team culture demands control, toughness and size from the position.

Kabango will probably be the better complete player five years from now, and he certainly has more all-star potential than Marshall. Does that mean Kabango is the better choice for Utah? I'm not so sure.

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It really depends on how

It really depends on how Coach Corbin goes about running the team as to who's the better fit. In the old Jerry Sloan system, Marshall would be the better fit though probably.

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Absolutely. It also depends on the development of the rest of the team. The team will obviously be significantly different if Alec Burks proves he can play well off the ball, or if Derrick Favors completely busts.

There's so many factors that must be considered when any team is drafting any player. Chemistry, fit, tempo, coach/player relationships, competition for mintues, environment, trade value, etc...

Drafting would be so much easier if every team was simply the sum of its parts. But of course, that's never the case.

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Has Texas even played any

Has Texas even played any team thats a top 100 team yet?

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As big of a fan as I am of

As big of a fan as I am of Myck due to his similarities with Rondo and Collison, but for the Jazz, I'd have to take Marshall. Just his ability to get the ball where it needs to go and where players need it to score, would be invaluable whether he's a bit of a slouch defensively or from distance or not(he's the kind of guy who 5 years from now will be a spot up 40% shooter from deep IMO. Getting a player like Marshall would actually be able to open up a guy like Burks to play more efficiently off-ball and would work wonders for the young bigs i.e. Kanter and moreso Favors.

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