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What is wrong with the kings

I was just watching this game with my son.WE were so excited that the kings were finally going to win a game then I dont know what happen. Are the kings just bad or is it the coaching. Plz tell me what is wrong with them


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They are very young and even

They are very young and even though they have some talent, it isn't good enough for them to win with any regularity.

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They need shooters

They have 0 outtside threats , getting Rudy Fernandez would be great for them

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After watching the game

After watching the game tonight I think the Kings biggest problem in the fourth quarter was turnovers, they had 9 in that quarter alone, compared to only 2 in the third quarter (which was by far their best quarter). The problem was that you were able to see guys like Beno, Tyreke and Cousins try to isolate and the drive into the post where they were promptly stripped of the ball. This however was not entirely their fault. There seemed to be almost no movement off the ball which made it easy for the Warriors to double team the guy driving and force a turnover, which lead to easy fast break buckets and let them right back in the game. I do not think it was the coaching, more that when things start to get rough some of the players seem to stop moving the ball or moving without the ball and just freeze up on both ends of the floor, I do not recall the last time I have seen a group of players show their age more than the Kings have been recently.

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They take really bad shots.

They take really bad shots. Cousins was 3-13 in this game. Dude's huge why is he taking 20 footers?

Udroh and Garcia when he is in can spread the floor. But they need to get that small forward spot straightened out and Reke healthy. Plus the Warriors had Monta Ellis tonight and the Kings didn't.

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Cousins was really off this game on the offensive end of the floor all Seven of his points this game came in the second half. He actually did not take outside shots this game except maybe one or two when I wasn’t looking. He forced himself into some bad shot attempts because he was being doubled at the last second of his move to the basket and the spacing on the floor was not good enough for him to be able to pass out of the double, which he normally does very well.

But I definatley agree on all the other points you made...

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Team of tweeners

Petrie is able to find unconventional talent and I think you can win with one or two tweeners on their team, but this team has way too many young players with undefined roles and as a result they lack proto type position players. Tyreke can handle the rock but is not a pg and lacks a jumper and is a little short for a elite sg, jason thompson and Casspi are they 3's or 4's the even the team doesn't seem to know? Landry is an plays as an undersized 5? With the lack of a point guard who can run the team (Jeter might be the best at that in SAC) and a foul prone / combustible Cousins it's going to be hard to win when your not sure your teammate is going to the wing or the post, going to handle the rock or spot up. Another team that has an unusual amount of tweener or hybrid positioned players are the Detroit Pistons and neither have had any success. This leads me to believe you can't win in the NBA when you have so many players who "play multiple positions" but are a master of none (example as good as tyreke is he's not cracking anyone's top 5 pg's or top sg list correct and I would argue that many would not have him out of the top 10 in both lists);

There is a role for hybrids in the NBA because they cause havoc on the defensive end for opponents but I think the are too much of a liablity with several on the floor at the same time. With 1 or 2 per team yes you can cause havoc (a good example of this was AI in PHilly or Big Baby in Boston,). And even then they had a veteran disciplined ball clubs.

Sac can't define roles because they don't know what they have and they keep adding talent but at some point they got to figure out how the talent fits together. Oh and Westphal is not the answer. He was a great player but as a coach he was lucky that he tookover a job when Cotton Fit retired and they had just recently added Barkely. He has lost in College LMU and in the NBA since he keeps getting jobs because players like him and he went to the finals once using another coaches system. Not sure why he keeps getting second and 3rd chances when he has never proven he is a good coach.

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They aren't a good defensive team. They also aren't a good offensive team.

That's why they aren't a good team.

/simply put

BasketbalAllan said "I do not recall the last time I have seen a group of players show their age more than the Kings have been recently."

Interesting thought. I like the coaching staff of the Kings, but they are soft. They need to start demanding more out of their young players. Better shot selection, better close outs etc...

The roster needs a makeover. I've never been high on DeMarcus Cousins, Samuel Dalembert is an idiot, Donte Greene's potential is freakishly overrated (IMO), Tyreke Evans' offensive production/efficiency has regressed (too reliant on his right hand) and I don't even know what happened to Jason Thompson.

It's not all bad though. Despite the defensive deficiencies, I like the Udrih/Evans combination in the backcourt. Cousins has potential, Head and Garcia are servicable off the bench, Landry and Casspi bring some things to the table.

They need some intelligence/experience on the roster. Until they get that, they're going to suck.

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@thatdude: Reke isn't too

@thatdude: Reke isn't too short for an elite SG, he's 6'6", the height of the best SG all time, and arguably the second best all-time in Kobe.

As far as what is wrong with the Kings, they need outside shooting desperately, just like the Bulls did last season after people adjusted to Derrick Rose. I like the Fernandez pick-up, but with the state Roy is in, I doubt the Blazers trade him. A stretch four would be a good fit with Reke, as the D is just collapsing on him every time he drives because there is no fear of the outside shot. Pick and roll with Cousins, spread the floor with the rest. Of course, they need to improve defensively, and I can't help but feel that a coaching change might be in order.

Honestly, I have no idea why they gave up on the Reke/Kevin Martin combo so quickly. Martin is tall enough to play the 3, so they could have found a proper PG and had one of the best set of scoring wings in the L. Plus, Martin would have drawn a lot of attention away from Tyreke.

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Young basketball teams have a

Young basketball teams have a hard time winning. That plus the fact I feel this team has no leaders? It's gonna be a long year in Sacramento.

I see everyone saying "well, they have to draft a point guard" I dunno. Does a rookie PG help this? I don't think so. I would like to see the Kings get a Devin Harris or someone like that to hold down the fort and maybe draft one in 2012 or 2013.

I wanna say this: It won't happen but, I would love to see Tobias Harris in Sacramento.

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I think a guy like Brandon

I think a guy like Brandon Knight would be perfect for this team. He's not much of a creator, but Tyreke is. And Knight LOVES to shoot the 3 ball, that's perfect for Tyreke. Now all they need is to find a good swingman who can shoot the 3 ball. If Harrison Barnes is available, they should take him instead of Knight but if he's not.. Knight would be perfect. Spread the floor and play Cousins and Thompson down low for size and length.

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Yea, Brandon Knight is

Yea, Brandon Knight is perfect for Sacramento is they wanna win 25 games in 2011-2012 season.

They need a leader of some sorts. They lack that. I would fire Westpaul and bring in like a real coach. That then add Devin Harris ( I think they could get him) and they would be a 30-35 win team. To me, you want the ball in Evans' hands but you need someone else who can slash as well. I also see Evans still can only go to one side of the basket.

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The Kings do lack 3 point

The Kings do lack 3 point range and clearly don't spread the floor enough, they seem to be locked into this high draft pick losing season scenario which a lot of teams went through or are going through. Petrie cleared all the big salaries and when Dalambert expires they will have loads of cap space but to entice a top FA would be hard so rebuilding may have to be via the draft for another year or two.

They have a potentially top SG/PG in Evans in place and Cousins who could be an elite big man so adding either a pure PG who would upgrade Udrih or a SF/stretch PF who has 3 point range should be their main draft targets.

They do have cap space so could be used to take on deals and thus Geoff Petrie could gain some nice assets, picks that way and make use of Dalambert's expiring deal

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The Kings do lack 3 point

The Kings do lack 3 point range and clearly don't spread the floor enough, they seem to be locked into this high draft pick losing season scenario which a lot of teams went through or are going through. Petrie cleared all the big salaries and when Dalambert expires they will have loads of cap space but to entice a top FA would be hard so rebuilding may have to be via the draft for another year or two.

They have a potentially top SG/PG in Evans in place and Cousins who could be an elite big man so adding either a pure PG who would upgrade Udrih or a SF/stretch PF who has 3 point range should be their main draft targets.

They do have cap space so could be used to take on deals and thus Geoff Petrie could gain some nice assets, picks that way and make use of Dalambert's expiring deal

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kyrie irving would be so sweet

irving would be perfect for this team a back court of ki and reke imo would be amazing they also need a more in your face coach to blend the young talent together

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they were good last year then

they were good last year then cousins came into the league

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Hey PNUT, you better tell

Hey PNUT, you better tell your son to become a fan of another team.

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I think Donatas Motiejunas be

I think Donatas Motiejunas be a good pick-up, he has a good outside game but also isn't afraid to bang inside. Cousins, Reke and Donatas would be a solid core to build around. They'll still need to solve their PG situation, but Joe Jackson from Memphis might be available late in the 1st round if he declares for the draft and he would be a good fit with Reke in my opinion.

Lineup for the next 6 years or so would look like;

PG: Joe Jackson

SG: Tyreke Evans

SF: Omri Casspi

PF: Donatas Motiejunas

C: Demarcus Cousins

Eventually they'd need an upgrade at SF, but that would probably come in the lottery year after next.

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Just got reminded of Daniel

Just got reminded of Daniel Gibson, he can shoot well from outside, is relatively young and could be acquired in free agency I believe.

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"Are the kings just bad or is

"Are the kings just bad or is it the coaching. Plz tell me what is wrong with them "

They don't move the ball well, they can't shoot from the perimeter, the defense being played is deplorable, and Tyreke Evans has been hurt. It really is all the makings of a disaster.

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evans is hurt... and being

evans is hurt... and being there best player and best scorer, and creator, the kings are gnna stink.. they dont have a consistent 2nd scorer who can get them 15-16-17 points every night... and there painfully young

and there d stinks

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Udrih imo is just a reallllly

Udrih imo is just a reallllly good back up PG.... and the kings do have some outside shooters

greene-hes just a streak shooter, udrih, garcia, casspi, and luther head who isnt very consistent either...

they have to find a true PG maybe for example like a calderon, doesnt need to score to be effective

a guy like tyreke evans needs the ball to be effective at this pt. in this young career

and idk bout there PF sitution... do u keep landry or trade thompson...personally, i would trade landry, he can fit on a contending team and get a back up PF for thompson... idk y hes not playing a hole lot this yr, but i like his potential

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It's the players fault mostly,

they fail to execute simple and smart plays. However, Westphal should make these players accountable for their mistakes. Players like Evans and Cousins need to removed from the starting lineup until they start getting with the program and stop playing selfish basketball.

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And I think it's reasonable to say that as long as Tyreke

can't make a simple uncontested jumpshot then he will remain to be an average or slightly above average player his whole career. They lack a go-to player as well as a leader.

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gibson wont be traded hes to

gibson wont be traded hes to good

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btown

They need John Bryant right?

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