What teams need to blow it all up
...and tank for the 2012 draft?
I'm thinking the Suns, the Hornets, Utah, and probably Orlando.
Sadly, my Hawks they've been eliminated for the past 3 years in the second round with the same group. Signed JJ to a hard contract to do anything with but hope he produces, have no legit C and have way to many forwards.
Oh yeah we also traded away Jordan Crawford who is one of the only potential stars from the 2010 draft and our first round pick for Kirk Hinrich when we had a perfectly good PG in Teague.
The whole Orginization sucks, sorry rant.
I think the Jazz have already blown it up. The Suns dont really have anything to blow up. They need to trade Nash for some young pieces because they do not have ANY young talent.
Bobcats. They're stuck in mediocrity until they make major changes to their roster. They have no cap flexibilty, are on the treadmill of mediocrity and can't even get an 8th seed in the Eastern Conference and are never bad enough to get really high picks, and they have mediocre young talent. And when they do have enough money to sign a big-time free agent, not many free agents are going to want to go to Charlotte because it isn't a big market and I don't see them being a winning team anytime soon. They have the bleakest future in the NBA IMO.
Suns need to trade Nash not blow it up. Jazz need to trade Jefferson or Milsap, Hawks don't need to blow it up they just need to find a way to get a Center, move Josh Smith back to SF, and move Horford to PF, the Hawks could trade Hinrich or Crawforf for Dalembert in a sign and trade, especially if the Kings get a PG, people already swear Hinrich helped Rose, Wall, and Teague get better. Orlando has nothing to blow up, but unless Deron or Chris tells Dwight they are coming to play with him they would be stupid not to trade him.
Orlando can't afford to blow it up.... you gotta give Dwight some reason to stick in town since he is the only legit person on their roster to build around. If they start dismantling the team around him he will bolt and they would REALLY have to start from scratch then.
Pistons, Raptors, and Rockets
Pistons: failing at it
Raptors: havent been good since the vince carter days
Rockets: they need a center, they need a small forward and the guy they need to trade is yao
Suns, do Nash a favor.
Pistons need to blow it up completely
Charlotte, Orlando, Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston, and New Orleans need to make extreme changes
I don't think the Jazz have been blown up but they could and just decide to build around Favors, Hayward and the 3 pick.
The Jazz have not blown it up yet, but they should.
Jefferson and Harris are going to hold back whoever the Jazz get in the draft this year as well as Gordy and Favors. Harris shoots too much and Jefferson is a ball stopper. Both of them will take away valuable touches for the young guys. I would trade Harris to the Blazers for Miller and a pick or two and try and trade Jefferson to the Cavs or another team that is in need of a low post scorer. If the Jazz are serious about trying to build a contender then it is time to be patient with the young guys an let them play like crazy.
They should go fro cap relief and picks.
That's just about exactly what I was thinking. The prevalent feeling in Utah is back to the Playoffs next year, but if they make it they won't be good enough to go anywhere.
What they really need to do in my estimation is trade Jefferson like you said...To Cleveland for the fourth pick is perfect. Draft Kanter and Knight or Vesely, but the hell with Portland, they've tried to sink the Jazz the last two years. I wouldn't give them the courtesy of a return call. Trade Harris to someone else for a pick.
We have the GS pick next year if it's over seventh, and building from scratch we would probably have a lottery pick for our own pick next year as well. Play the kids, let them learn the hard way, in three years we're in the same place as Oklahoma, only with a deeper squad and a very good chance to have a dynasty.
The Jazz would be one of the youngest and most talented teams in the NBA.
I hear what you are saying. I hate what Portland has been trying to do to the Jazz but getting Batum would really help the rebuilding process. Could you imagine a line up for the Jazz that looked like this:
Jimmer, Gordy, Batum, Favors and Kanter.
I am not the biggest Jimmer fan but he has been tearing it up lately. I would take that 5 man squad over anything that the OKC Thunder or any other up and coming team such as the Kings could put together. I say bring Milsap off the bench because he kills any other back up PF but does not seem as effecient as a starter against starting PFs.
Milsap is as imprtant to rebuilding as anyone that they Jazz are trying to build around.
My dream would be to trade Jefferson to the Cavs for a future first rounder and their TPE. That would give the Jazz the chance to draft either Kanter or DWill 2.0 then get Knight and still add one of the possibilities at 12(I like the idea of Jimmer or Singleton). Also, resign AK and bring him off the bench.
Start Knight, Hayward, Singleton, Favors and Kanter and off the bench you have Watson, CJ, AK Milsap and possibly Okur.
LIke I said, that is more like a dream scenario.
So you will take Gordan Heyward, 2 unproven rookies, Nicolas Batum, and another 2nd year player that wasn't much of an impact in Derrick Favors over Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kevin Durant, Serge Ibaka, and Kendrick Perkins???
GET YOU OUTTA HERE!!!
These guys can't get it right build around horrors and league and maybe jj everyone else gtfo
Why? - Demar Derozan, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Andrea Bargnani, and Jerryd Bayless will each never be nothing more than a #4 scorer on a conference contender let alone a champion (Bargnani maybe a #3 at very best). This is one of the worst collections of single-dimensioned, un-facilitating, non-opportunity creating, non intangible having players i've seen in the last 10 years. The one specialist they have in Jose Calderon has been unhappy for years, and in todays NBA is quickly becoming one of the slowest PG's in the league. They actually remind me of the Cavs a few years back - the 2002 team that is (shout out to Ricky Davis). If they don't make sweeping changes they'll share their same fate contending for a #1 pick instead of a playoff berth.
Can it be fixed anytime soon? - No. Simple as that. They have vitrtually no tradable assets as they have over-paid on mediocre talent (Johnson), and they lack proven veterans and elite young talent which is a recipe for disaster in any sport.
What needs to be done? - Fire sale anyone?. Playing in a small market is strike one. Playing out of country is strikes 2 and 3. Building through the draft ala OKC, POR and MEM is their only real option. Obtaining as many high draft picks as possible is key. Stockpiling high IQ athletic big men and effecient shooters is always better than drafting off of raw potential (John Bender anyone?). Next, they need a proven veteran winner to establish a winning culture. Having so many one-dimensional players may actually be a good thing as they might draw interest from contenders looking to plug up a few holes. You might just catch a winner who is looking to ship a proven winning player in return for those fillers who are all so important to turning pretenders into contenders. With seven foot floor spacers seeming to be at a premium, Bargnani is their best trade chip. He needs to play next to a defensive minded, back to the basket scorer which brings to mind the Magic, Spurs, and Bucks. Exploring a deal moving Bargnani, Calderon, Johnson and/or Davis for Tony Parker, Tiago Splitter, and/or Dejuan Blair is just an idea. Also, something needs to be done about Colangelo's infatuation with international players. Is it that he does all his scouting exclusively at the FIBA's? Or has it really gotten so bleak in Toronto market wise?. It's like their only hope for retaining talent has been reduced to acquiring foreign born players off the notion that they'll more easily adapt to life in Canada than a USA born player. If that's the case then maybe instead of moving players they should be looking to move cities. And now your.... Las Vegas Raptors?. No?. New Jersey Raptors?. Still no?. How about the Seattle Super Raptor Sonics? Hmm...
@NYFLAVA2K9, glad to see you found the "unlock caps" button.
Teams like Orlando and the Hornets will both have to base their decisions on what Dwight and CP3 do with their respective FA's next summer. If David West does move on from the Hornets this summer then I wonder if CP3 might start making some trade noises, if the Hornets could create an auction for CP3 then it could be beneficial to them. Funnily enough I wonder if a team like Utah might have a look at CP3, they lost D-Will so why not replace him with one of his 2005 draft class and Utah have assets they could send to NOH who might risk losing CP3 for nothing in 2012.
NOH have a few contracts coming off this summer and if CP3 did walk in 2012 then they would only have 4 players on the books so could tear it up real quick if needed.
Olando are weighed down by much heavier contracts so if Dwight does move on then they could be in real trouble.
Charlotte shift some contracts this summer and have a few draft picks but have never got that one star player via the draft and even with MJ there they cannot attract major names via FA, so it may well be carry on as they are and look to sneak a few play off births or get lucky one year with a draft lottery.
They are goin nowhere.
And the Suns
The suns deifnitely do. No doubt
@ aamir..lol. The reason I posted that thread in caps is that everyone had Kyrie Irving as the Cavs surefire #1 pick not considering how the 4th pick will play into their decision making. It's crazy because just a few days later the updated mock dropped Irving from #1 citing the same reasoning, terminology, and even examples I brought up. Seriously, look my comments on the site posted article "The case for Derrick Williams at number one" and my now infamous all caps post "IF YOU WERE CAVS GM..." and then look at the updated mock explanation post. Its almost word for word... coincidence? Even nba.com's consensus mock draft notes nbadraft.net's change at #1. I like to take some credit for that change.lol. Ultimately though, I now think the Cavs will take Irving #1 due to the fact that Ricky Rubio coming now kinda forces the T-Wolves hand on Enes Kanter and neither them or the Jazz have a pressing need for Williams.. They actually have a slim chance to land Williams at #4 now. Also, I see Kawhi Leanord having great team work outs which should shake things up a bit. Lesson learned though... Writing in caps is like wearing a Magic's Jersey in an all bloods neighborhood.. don't do it.lol.
In what way?
The Jazz could have matched the Wesley Matthews deal. He was a Restricted free agent.
Thats the only player they have taken so how have they tried to sink the Jazz?