What stopping DeAndre Jordan becoming a Good Center in the league?
To me He's already hella of defensive player make ppl change their shooting and he's good rebounder too. Offensive wise we all know he will be dunk on you and give you highlight reel ask Brandon Knight but he very limited on offensive no post move and no face up added he's poor free throw shoot. Personally I think he can good can be on offensive he's just need few post moves and develop jump hook then Jordan legit center in the league take pressure off Blake (if stay the clippers). What's your opinion on this topic????
Yeah, dunking on a 6'2 gaurd. Some highlight.
Brandon Knight went up for it, deserves a lot of respect for that.
Just looking at DeAndre he looks like a basketball player..he may never have a all star year but he is still only 24 and to me has plenty more room to grow as a player.
His eyes are too close together.
That's always coming to my mind when I play 2K and see his profile foto...
He needs to work with Olajuwon now.
haha yeah and improve like Javale did
JaVale McGee shot 57% and averaged 18 10 and 4 blocks per 36 minutes. Many teams would love to have him as he is on the cusp of being a top 10 center in the league. He didn't develop any great post moves but he is still improving as a player/
If you talk about efficiency, send him to work with Yao, or Malone, or Ilgauskas. Hakeem the dream = post moves. I like Mcgee, he is funny, and I even use him in 2k. But top-10 center or not, he is not a guy you trust and rely on to win playoff games. He just isn't mentally there, not yet.
Mentally he isn't there but he sure is physically. He still has a boatload of untapped potential as well. He isn't a great player at this point but he isn't the joke he was a couple years ago either.
I'll prabably be the only one, but i'll agree with you. Dwight had the opporitunity be the focal point of his team. Orlando's offense ran through him. DeAndre Jordan plays his role as a defensive minded/rebounding center. If he could refine his offense and assume a more of a scoring role he could at least be comparable to Howard. People are short sited about Howard because he has fan appeal where as Jordan has little or none, so I wouldn't expect a lot of people to agree with this feed, but I feel you though...
fan appeal is one of the few things he does have, he dunks a lot and blocks a lot of shots while saying and doing funny things.
He is mechanical on offense, really doesn't have good hands and can't shoot outside of about three feet. He is athletic and will make the Knight kind of play, but he has always been what I called before he was drafted - a guy who struggles against other guys his size. That's why he is up one night and down the next. He will struggle against big centers, even if they aren't great ones.
I believe Jordan's offence is actually more polished then most people believe. He has good footwork and some decent go to moves which allow him to put an effective high percentage shot most of the time.
Jordans biggest problem however is his Free Throw Shooting. Its just awful. It is the number one reason he doesn't attack on offense. It is the reason he doesn't play late in games. Its the reason he's not comfortbale touching the ball near the rim. The butterfly effect his ft deficiency has on how he plays the game is tremendous.
Polished - Offense - and Deandre Jordan are words that should never be used together in the same sentence.
You're right that his footwork is decent. But having good footwork is more of a testament to his athletism and lateral quickness. He has improved over the years but what he can do 5+ feet from the basket remains a major problem.
His offense woes are beyond the FTs. Shaq was an awful free throw shooter but was able to manufacture offense with jump hook shots that he could execute even when fading away. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzJEe66_ACw ).
He also had a flip shot that he could put over ppl. ( http://nbadraft.net/comment/reply/73740/581488 ).
Am I saying that DJ could be Shaq? No I am not. But there are things he can do to increase his effectiveness on offense - even while being a horrible FT shooter.
Deandre is not a good defensive player, not at all, he is below average quite frankly. As for his offensive defencies,there is an element of training and repetition but there are neurophysiological mechanisms like eye-hand-coordination that are most genetical and early childhood development. Because of that you have players who have no interest to get the maximum out out of their talents but are so talented that it makes no difference at all, prime example Shaq. All the other 99,9 % guys could practice 12 hours every day but they will not get there. As for Deandre I believe he reached his prime.
I'll understand if someone says DeAndre Jordan will be never be good offensively or that he's hit his ceiling, but I would LOVE to hear what kind of skewed reasoning you'd have to say he's a "below average defender"!!
He's average to below average, but he's not a good C defender. He still tries to swat everything, Not block, swat. He still bites on pump fakes, over-rotates or rotates when he doesn't have to. He's kinda like Javale defensively. They both can make the spectacular play, but they still lack the smarts and awareness. As far as overall points per possession, he ranks in the 170s as a defender and his defensive adjusted plus minus is exactly zero. The Clips this last yr were 6 points better defensively with DeAndre OFF the floor.
What's stopping DeAndre from being a good C in this league is his brain and inability to shoot further than 3 feet away from the basket.
I'll respect your argument, but disagree with it. DeAndre Jordan isn't just a physical deterrent, he a psychological deterrent. He's moblie, actively patrol's the paint and makes players think twice about driving inside. No average defender can do that.
While I agree that many neurophysiological mechanisms are quickly learned and kept during childhood development, it is not impossible that he can't improve hand eye coordination, shooting, etc in adulthood. Sure there are examples like Shaq, but you can always improve hand eye coordination as an adult, albeit it takes more time and effort. Look at Yao Ming, he had terrible hands coming into the league and realized he bobbled a ton of passes. Most of his workouts contained a lot of hand eye coordination drills and he eventually worked his way into a much better catcher.
Deandre Jordan not a good defensive player? What planet are you on?
Jordan needs to improve so much,,,maybe too much to ever be any good? Sure he can block some shots, get some rebounds. But...if its not a dunk, then Jordan isn't scoring! Not only does he have no post moves or jump shot, but most of the time he's lost on the court and gets in the way of other players. Check this out...Jordan hasn't improve his game since coming into the league. And he only averaged 8 pts and 6 rebounds in college. I hope he can improve? but again his game is the same from his rookie season.
He gets better every year, but it's only by small margains. Just when you think he's going to break through he kind of settles in and still plays down in playoff games. This year, for instance, he was noticably better about picking up dumb fouls, but he had an awful year from the stripe.
At 24, I don't think he's done improving, but I think he improves from in game experience, I don't think he has the drive to make major leaps during the off season. I suspect next year, he'll be a little better in some areas. I wouldn't be shocked if Jordan put up a couple 12/10 or 10/10 seasons in his late 20's, but I wouldn't hold my breath for any breakout seasons or All-Star births.
I would like to see the Spurs try to get him. Pop would maximize his skills set and he could work with Duncan for a few years to hone his post moves!
DeAndre Jordan is another NBA player who gets very little out of his ability. He could average 15/10/2.5, but something isn't there. Basketball i.q.? Work ethic?
This is pretty much my exact opinion on the guy. His sheer athleticism and strength are the only things he has going for him. The guy has the tools to be great...but it's getting obvious that he's never going to figure it all out.
Just because he sends shots away with authority doesn't mean he's a good defender!
You cant live on athletisism forever.
might wanna pass this memo along to Blake Griffin.
limited skill set, poor defansive awarnes and low bb iq
i remember the first game of the season this year the announcers were saying how he was ready to break out and be an all star and all of that. Then the game started and he had 2 shaq-like MONSTER dunks and i was like HOLY SH*T the beast was unleashed...then as the game went on del negro kept taking him out and not really letting him get into a rythym, I mean half the time this season i saw him clapping on the bench for guys that he was way better than. I dont know im not trying to say it was del negro that held him back but it will be interesting to see him play under a new coach...def capable of being an all star tho IMO
I don't remember a play where he touched the ball outside of 5 feet and didn't look for anybody to pass the ball to because he had to idea what to do with it. He has no moves, no offensive footwork, no shot, no ball-handling ability, and no offensive IQ overall.
i don't agree he is not a good one on one defender he is always being dominate by other team's bigs, he doesn't block he swats, he kinda loses on rotates and over rotates to much, just because he can block shots doesn't mean he is a superb Defender lol
He was drafted with the 35 pick. He has come a long way, but I don't expect him to become an All Star. He never possess that kind of skill. His athleticism is elite for sure, but basketball isn't all about athleticism...Tim Duncan embodies that. It takes great footwork and awareness to be a great big man. DeAndre just has to keep practicing harder, especially defensively that should be his speciality.
whats holding him back?
he has no offensive game outside of 4 feet from the rim.
is a poor rebounder for his size and despite of his shot blocking isnt actually that good of a defender either.
His PER during the season and then the playoffs is staggering.
I do agree what y'all saying cause DeAndre has potential but I got to think about it he reach his peak on offensive we know freakish athletic and all he's going to be rebound and shot blocker thanks for yall opinion