What is steph curry to you???
Listening to the Scott van pelt show today (great show if you didn't know) and ryen rusillo And Scott were talking about Stephs game and just how good the guy is. And they got into a debate that most def I agreed with. They said that steph is a top 5 something in this league but what is he. They said we wouldn't classify him as a top 5 PG in the league and depending on who you talk to he shouldn't be classified as a 2 guard. So they just settled on the fact that he is a top 5 BASKETBALL player in the league. I actually liked the comment because nowadays people want to classify you and put you in a category and compare you to someone instead of just saying you're good at this. But I actually think steph can be considered a 2 guard in the league. If Allen iverson can get the consideration why can't steph? Either way I think the guy is a top 5 shooting guard in the league and can't wait to watch him play
He's definitely a pg in my book. He brings it up, he is the best player on the team at creating for others and getting into the lane and breaking down defenses. He averaged 7 assists per game. He is just different then many peoples perceptions of pg's because he can score so well. But the days of a pg having to be unselfish and always look to set up teammates is gone. Not to say the traditional type of ph can't thrive (chris paul, rajon rondo) but it's just not a position that has to be labeled a certain way anymore. Irving, lillard, Parker, Westbrook, rose etc... That position is so nice right now. As a laker fan, over the last 15 years, I've seen my team go from an old Ron Harper to fisher to an old Payton to chucky Atkins to smush Parker back to an old ass fisher to Ramon sessions to an old ass Nash who missed half the season and played the other half gimpy. One day I'll get to see a elite pg, one day. But for now, get ur butt out there Nash and Steve Blake, Kobe needs another ring.
He's an elite shooting PG.
How is he not a PG?
Siggy where do you rank curry among point guards including guys who are injured?
Probably 6th, right behind Rondo. I'm leaning towards 6th since there are two sides to the floor and Curry is not good defensively. I'd put Deron back ahead of him too if Deron can put 2 halves of a season together next yr,
Also, PGs don't have to be on the ball all the time. When Jack is in the game he is far less effective when he's off the ball. Curry has the ability to be just as effective off of it as on it. He's got a very underrated handle and creativity with his passes. He reminds me of Nash with his effortless passes. His PnR game is top notch too. He plays at the right pace to be a very effective PnR handler.
What makes him better than wall or Irving?
Skillwise, he and Irving are tight. So to me it comes down to accomplishments. Curry's performance in the playoffs has put him over the top IMO. We haven't seen what Kyrie's capable of doing when the lights are brighter. Also, I think Irving's frustration was affecting his game last yr. It was probably something that he had to do, but he looked to be playing more selfishly this past yr. In order for that Cavs team to get better, Irving has to be equally effective as a scorer AND playmaker. Kyrie's my favorite to eventually become the best PG in the league in the near future, but his team has to start showing improvement with him at the helm, he has to get better as a playmaker, continue his improvement defensively and stay healthy.
Wall still can't shoot, still can't run a halfcourt offense and is useless without the ball. He's not in the discussion.
Skill wise it's close but Irving has the edge. Curry can't be a number 1 option and take over games the way guys like Irving and Chris Paul can which isn't a knock on him since after durant Irving is up there with anybody for most clutch. Also kevin love isn't as accomplished as griffin, love, Aldridge, Randolph, gasol and those guys so is love not a top 5 power forward? He's arguably the best when healthy. I don't think you can knock Irving for not being in the playoffs after his 2nd year and say curry is better cause he accomplished more
I guess you haven't been watching the playoffs.
Curry is dropping 27 points a game (9 asts too) in the postseason and has taken over games offensively. How does that spell #2 option?
Love is also more supremely skilled than a guy like Griffin. His skills and production would put him in the upper echelon. Curry has skills, the production AND the postseason performance as well.
So you think curry is a numer 1 option on a championship team? Alot of players can take over games for most of the game but can they do it in crunch time? curry hasn't shown he can do that with the game on the line with less than a minute to go. Do you watch the warriors play or just now cause there in the playoffs? Curry has never made a game winning shot In his career and there's a reason why over the years the warriors have had one of the worst records in the league in close games and always blow 4th quarter leads cause they don't have a closer. And this past season is was actually jarret jack taking and making the big shots for the warriors
I don't know if Curry can be a #1 option on a championship team. I don't know if CP3 and Irving can either. Do I think Curry can be a #1 option? Yes. He already is.
If you wanna talk about clutch, the stats are out there. 4th quarter or OT, 5 minutes or less, neither team ahead by 5 pts or more:
offensive rating- 107.5
net rating- +16
offensive rating- 106.3
net rating- +9
offensive rating- 96.5
net rating- -12
Offensive rating being the key stats. Irving might be the most prolific scorer in those situations, but he also leads the entire league in turning the ball over in the clutch (10 TOs per 48 in the clutch).
Curry also shot in higher volume than Jack in those clutch situations as well.
So you think curry can be a number 1 option but you don't know about Irving and Paul? Why does know one EVER mention curry when discussing the best closers in the game? Also Joe Johnson has the best numbers for clutch situations with less than a minute left yet he is not a number 1 option. Joe Johnson is one of the most clutch players in the league and always hits big shots. So you would rather have curry take the last shot than Johnson? Johnson isn't a number 1 option and neither is curry
Why do you keep adding descriptors as if you're trying to trip me up? You asked if I thought Curry was a #1 option? I said yes. His performance during the season and especially the playoffs proves that. There are #1 options even on bad teams. Then you asked me if I thought that any of those guys could be a #1 option on a CHAMPIONSHIP team? I said I don't know. There is a difference. When was the last time a 6' PG, or any PG for that matter was the #1 option and led his team to a title? TP wasn't and neither was Billups since they were system, score by committee teams who executed plays in clutch situations. IMO, to be that in this day and age requires a certain level of physical dominance. The ability to get his shot off any time he wants to and the ability to impose himself on the defense, draw fouls and consistently finish among the trees. CP3, as great as he is can only do so much because of his size.
As for your other questions, I would rather have Curry have the last POSSESSION because he can just as easily create his own shot vs his matchup, he's a better shooter than Joe Johnson with better shot selection AND he's the better passer. I would trust Curry more to make the right PLAY in a clutch moment.
Oh, and for steph, I'm loving that guy right now. He is becoming one of my favorite players. He's passed up the open man a few too many times, but his skills/confidence/humble attitude has me rooting for him big time.
I am falling in love with watching this warriors team, to the point where I have to watch them, they are just so fun to watch, seeing as my team (the timberwolves) are out, I am rooting for them even if they arent the best, they are just unique and a great watch.
Just because he shoots so well he can play off the ball doesn't mean he is best suited to do that. He much like AI is unique in the sense that he is a smaller player that can always get his shot off when defended one on one. He can be utilized in a variety of ways because he can score so well but he is still best suited to play point guard and have the ball in his hands.
He is the leader of my favorite team, and i aint no bandwagoner. Been on since the Montgomery Coaching Days when i was actually old enough to understand some of the game. He is "the Allen Iverson with two parents"
He's Steve Nash with a scorers mentality
Damn I HATE LABELS!! HE is a baller that is all!!
He's the good version of a combo guard.
It would be a waste of his ridiculous shooting ability to always have him initiating the offense. Playing off the ball on the occasion not only allows him to run off screens but also frees up his teammates just as well as when he is driving and kicking. And it probably saves his legs so that he still has the energy to knock down the crazy tough shots he is able to make.
LLPerez...must be tough being a Laker fan watching those old ass PGs and always winning championships still. You'll find very little sympathy with us Tpup fans :D
Speaking of which, I feel obligated to hold a grudge against Curry for basically cold shouldering the Wolves during the draft season. I get the team sucks, but I don't like the idea of players who havent done $&*^ in the league trying to dictate where they go.
I would have thought that him starting in the backcourt with a shooting guard would be enough to make him a point guard. Iverson was the shooting guard when he played next to Snow etc
Thought so in college too. Should have been the 2nd pick easily back then to IMO.
He's easily a PG. Awesome handle, good passing/vision, and handles the ball for his team most of the time. But he's so lethal with his shooting he can play off the ball too because the Warriors have other ball handlers.