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What Should The Toronto Raptors do?

I just wanna know your guys thoughts about this idea....
Since the Raptors have the 9th pick in the draft, I was thinking we should draft Earl Clark and we sign and traade Marion and trade him for a SG. So saying that Marion's new contract is around 8 - 10 mil per season we can possibly swap him for Corey Maggette or even Jamal Crawford ( if he does a sign and trade with Golden State ). Even a Jason Richardson from Phoenix. Or we could always let him go for cap space and sign Jamal Crawford or Hedo Turkoglu, Tayshaun Prince but in effect it would lead us to draft a SG like Tyreke Evans, DeMar DeRozan, James Harden ( even if these players drop to the 9th pick ).
Tell me what you guys think.

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I think they should...

Draft Tyreke Evans. It gives them a scoring option at SG and can backup PG and trade for a guy like Anthony Randolph. And make sure to get something for Chris Bosh before he leaves!

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Tor-Sac Chris bosh, Anthony

Tor-Sac

Chris bosh, Anthony Parker and 9th overall pick to the Kings for
Kevin Martin, Jason Thompson, 4th overall pick, 23rd overall pick

i would like that trade as a raptor fan. i dont know what you guys think.

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so sac is going to give away

so sac is going to give away a 20+ppg wing, a promising PF a top 5 pick and another 1st rounder for one season of chris bosh, a bench player and a lower pick.

trades need to be beneficial for both teams man, why don't we just trade jose for devin harris, bosh for dwight howard and quincy douby for wade. that would be sweet too.

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simple

accept that they play for canada and will never be any good....If every star your team EVER gets seems to hate playing for you (tmac, vince, zo, bosh, hell even camby and young mighty mouse) maybe you should just wrap it up and stick to hockey lol

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Earl Clark

If he's there. If he's not take who slips, whether it's Derozan ,Harden or Hill. How would Curry fit with the raptors. Clark's game seems mechanical at times but I think he'll be a top 5 or 6 player out of this class when it's all said and done.

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Earl Clark

I think Earl Clark would be a great fit with the Toronto Raptors. 6'10 220 pounds.... hes taller than most SF and would create automatic mismatches.... Imagine a lineup if we get Jamal Crawford....

Bargnani
Bosh
Clark
Crawford
Calderon

Pretty decent I must say

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If I was the raptors I would

If I was the raptors I would try and sign and trade Marion and trade him with the 9th overall pick to washington for butler and the 4th overall pick. And with the 4th overall selection I would try and draft harden if he is still on the board. I think this would benefit both teams as i think marion is an upgrade from butler and washington really needs a point guard and only rubio is a top 5 point guard in the draft. And the raptors would benefit from selecting a top 5 SG and still have the wing presence that they were desperatly needing last year b4 they traded for Marion.
I also dont think SAC or GSW would trade for bosh as neither of these teams r even close to being ready for the playoffs in the west coast. I think both these teams r a few years and players away from being the same caliber of the jazz or NO. As well as bosh would probably walk from SAC and GSW as well if he was going to walk from the raptors.

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TRADE BOSH....he is leaving

TRADE BOSH....he is leaving in 2010....why keep him??????

Unless you dont want anything for a guy who can give you 2 young players back in return??

check out Mock Draft 3.5

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Trade Bosh-

They should trade bosh to the Suns for Amare Stoudamire. That would be great for both players. Have Bosh go play with Shaq for a year and he will be begging to come back to the Raptors. Wouldn't the Raps be great with Amare scoring inside and Bargnani shooting 3's? Chris Bosh and Bargnani are better outside than in. Shaq and Amare are both better inside. It seems like to me, the most interesting trade rumor in the NBA. Two superstars that we all thought would stay with teams their entire carreers, who play the same position, getting traded to two completely different climates (one to the desert from the snow and the other from the snow to the desert).

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about earlier comments on Raps situation

- addressin "torontoraptors4", with the 9th pick, you aint gonna get a guy that will give the Raps the immediate impact they need......the player who they draft, whether it be Derozen or Clark or Henderson or Evans, will take a couple of years to mature into a solid NBA player.....Marion is worth about $7.5-$8 mil.....trust me, with his age, and him not being able to average more than 15ppg jus means he's past his prime............Corey Maggette for him, keep dreamin....GS isn't that crazy....as for Crawford, i don't know if he's the right player for the Raps.....Crawford for Marion is one option but i can't say its the best option.....Crawford isn't a pure SG, and i dun think thats what the Raps want.....Jason Richardson is a no.....Phoenix mgt askin for Marion bac makes no sense.......Turkoglu and Prince are key players in their respective teams....and they wont easily depart with them.....

-addressin "bflaa2", Anthony Randolph is a fan fav with GS......they wont easily give him up......

-addressin "R-Dot-13", i like that trade.....jus have to see if there is any sort of trade exemptions........if they don't have that, then that trade is not possible.......personally, i like the way the Kings are headin....if they draft Rubio, and sign someone like Jason Collins to back up Hawes in the summa, then their lineup looks something like:

*Spencer Hawes > Jason Collins > (S) Cedric Simmons
*Jason Thompson > Ike Diogu > (S) Kenny Thomas
*Andres Nocioni> DaJuan Summers/ Terrence Williams > Donte Green
*Kevin Martin > Rashad McCants > Francisco Garcia
*Ricky Rubio > Beno Udrih > (S) Darren Collison
*= Starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

its a pretty solid lineup with some decent depth.........another question u must ask is lets say your Bosh for martin deal goes through, what makes you think Bosh will resign with the Kings in 2010? highly unlikely....and the Kings wont make that trade because of that.......also Bosh is a huge financial commitment which they are not prepared to face......they have enough financial problems....jus look at last season when they had a garage sale for most of their top players....

but personally, i would like if the Raps to keep Bosh, get players this summa that could help him out.......if they get some decent players this summa, and the Raptors finish off with a good result nex season, he'll resign.....he's way too loyal to ditch....even if they get decent players and Raps are still strugglin, then Colangelo will make a trade during the nex season.......

- addressin "bballtalks", i like where you were going with that....tryin to get Butler......but i think the way u approached it was wrong.....there is no way the Wizards would give up Butler jus for marion......MARION IS NOT AN UPGRADE.......Butler jus had the best season of his career......averagin almost 21ppg.....is a fan fav in Washington.....Marion is averagin 13ppg.....he can't average more than 15 ppg anymore.......and most of all, he is a couple of years older than Butler......to top that off, you made it worse by addin the draft picks......which made no sense to me....if anything, do a sign and trade with Marion, and send him and the 9th pick to the Wizards for Butler.....that makes more sense.....gettin rid of a key player like Butler means the wizards have to get something equally good in value.....i think thats a solid trade for both teams.....

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The Raptors

my proposal for the 09/10 roster of the Raps:

*Andrea Bargnani > Marcin Gortat > Jamaal Magloire > (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Chris Bosh > Pops Mensah-Bonsu > (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Trevor Ariza > Grant Hill > DerMar Derozen
*Raja Bell > Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon > Chris Duhon > (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

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another option

- let's imagine Lamar Odom gets signed by the Lakers for much less than anyone expected and hence, they are able to resign Trevor Ariza, then the first proposal wouldn't work

- if for whatever reason Ariza can't be resigned, there is a second proposal I have:

a) Looking at the unrestricted free agents from Toronto (Anthony Parker, Shawn Marion, Joey Graham), each one of them owes something either to the raptors organization or Bryan Colangelo.........it was the Raptors that gave Anthony Parker a second chance in the NBA.......it was the Raptors that gave Joey Graham a chance to prove himself in the NBA.....and Marion at least owes Colangelo for drafting him in the first place.....also Colangelo can work out a situation that can get Marion to a good team, something i don't think Marion can do himself.....my point is each one of them can be involved in some sort of a sign and trade situation.....

b) Follow all steps above except for c), d), and j)

c) Now instead of getting Trevor Ariza, sign and trade Shawn Marion to get a good veteran

Washington gets: Shawn Marion, #9 Pick in the 2009 draft
Toronto gets: Caron Butler

Marion is worth about 7.5 mil.....is it worth tradin the 9th pick as well? well whoever you pick at the 9th isn't gonna become a mature b-ball player until a couple of years from now....so they won't have an immediate impact......why would the Wizards replace Butler with Marion? i understand its a downgrade....Marion averages 13ppg, where as Butler averages close to 21ppg.....an all-star.....he's older than Butler, but he can still be a solid player in the wing position....his capability to defend almost all positions is a huge plus....not to mention is post-season experience.....also they can draft a wing player like Derozen at the 9th pick, who i think will become a solid NBA player a couple of years from now....they also have their 5th pick, where they can draft Harden......as for Toronto, they are gettin Caron Butler.....when it comes to wing players, thats as good as it gets for the Raptors.....Caron Butler is comin off his best season in the NBA......and i still say the Raps should sign Grant Hill to a 2 year contract (because of Printezis comin to the NBA around that time)......

d) Rumor has it that the Hornets and OKC don't want their late first round picks.......sign and trade Joey Graham

OKC gets: Joey Graham, Nathan Jawai
New Orleans gets: 25 pick
Toronto gets 21 pick

with the 21st pick they draft Terrence Williams.....who could be a solid backup to Caron Butler 2 years from now when Grant Hill leaves......another option if they can't do that three-way deal is to make the same trade with jus Portland for one of their second round draft picks.....and then draft Danny Green....i would rather go with going after Terrence....the Raps have already worked out Terrence and Danny.....and i think Bryan Colangelo was really impressed with Terrence Williams.....

so my second proposal is:

*Andrea Bargnani > Marcin Gortat > Jamaal Magloire > (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Chris Bosh > Pops Mensah-Bonsu > (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Caron Butler > Grant Hill > Terrence Williams
*Raja Bell > Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon > Chris Duhon > (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

- one of the things that I love about this proposal is that it gives the Raps more cap space in the summa of 2010....to resign Bosh to a contract like a 7 year $145 mil......almost 21mil a season......with the earlier proposal, they could only resign him at around 17-18.5 mil a season......but i still go with the first proposal because Trevor Ariza has more of an upside....is 6 years younger than Butler, and can only get better....as for Butler, he is already at his peak......but either proposal is better than what the Raps got goin right now....

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- i see Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Toronto, Atlanta, Washington, Chicago, and Charlotte in the playoffs nex season....with this squad, they are in the elite four or perhaps 2 in the East.....depending on how well the Raps play to their potential... but honestly, i see these 2 proposals as the best options for Toronto.....

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Wow you have alot of spare time on your hands

I would not ever have enough time to write that much. It isn't going to have any impact on what actually happens.

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About who is going to make the playoffs in the east next year-

The only teams I can be sure will make the playoffs in the east next year are Orlando, Boston, and Cleveland. The rest of the playoff spots are up in the air. Toronto, Washington, and Charlotte are going to have alot to do this summer to be as good if not better next year. Washington has the best chance of those three teams that did not make the playoffs to make the playoffs next year. Chicago also seems likely to make the playoffs next year but they will have to resign Gordon. Don't count out Miami with D-Wade.

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i agree

yea, that wouldnt work

and PS: ignore what i said about follow the steps above.......

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not gonna happen

that wont happen especially since Bryan Colangelo is the GM.....if he tries to get Amare, people are gonna criticize him for tryin to make the Raps into the old Phoenix Suns.......

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The old phoenix suns?

How would they be anything like the old Phoenix Suns? Besides, weren't the old Phoenix Suns really good?

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Proposals for the Raptors

Here are three proposals which I think could work out:

1.

- sign Marcin Gortat to a 3 year, $10 million contract
- sign Jamal Magloire to a contract which gives him around $750,000 a season
- sign Trevor Ariza to a 6 year, $50 million contract
- sign Grant Hill to a 2 year, $4.5 million contract
- sign Carlos Delfino to a contract which gives him $3 million a season
- sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a contract which gives him just over $1 million a season
- Waive Marcus Banks and Nathan Jawai
- Do a trade where:
New York gets: Jason Kapono, Roko Ukic
Toronto gets: Chris Duhon and 2010 second round draft pick
- Do a trade where:
Charlotte gets: Anthony Parker
Toronto gets: Raja Bell
- Do a trade where:
Minnesota gets: Kris Humphries
Toronto gets: 28th pick of the 2009 draft (where they pick DaJuan Summers)
- at the 9th pick in this year’s draft, they should pick Earl Clark (since I doubt Derozen will be there at 9……also no point of draftin Tyreke in this situation, considering Raja Bell and Carlos Delfino already play the SG……Tyreke is a starter and needs mins…..in the 2 years that Grant Hill is signed with the Raps, he can make Earl Clark a more polished player)

Proposal #1:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Jamaal Magloire / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Chris Bosh / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Trevor Ariza / Grant Hill / Earl Clark
*Raja Bell / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Chris Duhon / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

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2.

- sign Marcin Gortat to a 3 year, $10 million contract
- sign Jamal Magloire to a contract which gives him around $750,000 a season
- sign Grant Hill to a 2 year, $4.5 million contract
- sign Carlos Delfino to a contract which gives him $3 million a season
- sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a contract which gives him just over $1 million a season
- Waive Marcus Banks and Nathan Jawai
- Do a trade where:
New York gets: Jason Kapono, Roko Ukic
Toronto gets: Chris Duhon and 2010 second round draft pick
- Do a trade where:
Charlotte gets: Anthony Parker
Toronto gets: Raja Bell
- Do a trade where:
Washington gets: Shawn Marion, #9 Pick in the 2009 draft
Toronto gets: Caron Butler, #32 in the 2009 draft (where they pick Josh Heytvelt)
- Do a trade where:
Minnesota gets: Kris Humphries
Toronto gets: 28th pick of the 2009 draft (where they pick DaJuan Summers)

Proposal #2:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Jamaal Magloire / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Chris Bosh / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Caron Butler / Grant Hill / DaJuan Summers
*Raja Bell / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Chris Duhon / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

side notes:

- let's imagine Lamar Odom gets signed by the Lakers for much less than anyone expected and hence, they are able to resign Trevor Ariza…. then the first proposal wouldn't work….also, most likely Ariza can't be signed by another team (Lakers have been known to go over-cap)

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3.

- sign Marcin Gortat to a 3 year, $10 million contract
- sign Jamal Magloire to a contract which gives him around $750,000 a season
- sign Shawn Marion to a 4 year, $32 million contract
- sign Carlos Delfino to a contract which gives him $3 million a season
- sign Pops Mensah-Bonsu to a contract which gives him just over $1 million a season
- Waive Marcus Banks and Nathan Jawai
- Do a trade where:
New York gets: Anthony Parker, Roko Ukic
Toronto gets: Chris Duhon and 2010 second round draft pick
- Do a trade where:
Toronto gets: David West, Luol Deng and the 21st Pick (from Hornets, where they pick Terrence Williams)
Chicago gets: Chris Bosh, Jason Kapono and Julian Wright
New Orleans gets: Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas
- Do a trade where:
Minnesota gets: Kris Humphries
Toronto gets: 28th pick of the 2009 draft (where they pick Josh Heytvelt)
- at the 9th pick in this year’s draft, they should pick Tyreke Evans (should be the best possible player available at #9……is the best SG after Harden….i don’t consider Derozen an SG and Stephon Curry wants to play point…..in this situation, the Raps need a starter at the SG and Tyreke Evans would fit that role….very similar to Jamal Crawford’s style of play…..a better version of Randy Foye……Evans is a great scorer…..can rack up a ton of points (like he did in the NCAA)…..he needs to work on his jump shot and 3pt % figures this summa….and I think he’ll improve….i find it interesting that Foye was dealing with the same issues when he was getting drafted…..but now his 3pt figures are 37%)

Proposal #3:

*Andrea Bargnani / Marcin Gortat / Jamaal Magloire / (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*David West / Pops Mensah-Bonsu / (S) Josh Heytvelt
*Shawn Marion / Luol Deng / Terrence Williams
*Tyreke Evans / Carlos Delfino
*Jose Calderon / Chris Duhon / (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

Side Notes:

- Chris Bosh jus said that he wont sign an extension with the Raptors…..it really doesn’t mean that Bosh will leave the Raps in 2010….it jus means he is going to test out the free agency market and look at the best possible offer…..and financially, the Raps can give the best offer…..however very recently, according to inside sources, it seems the Raptors management are getting worried….they believe there is a good chance Bosh will leave…..therefore, the Raps are trying to work out a deal with Utah where they can get Boozer in exchange for Bosh…..however, Boozer has recently said that he’ll opt out of his contract with Utah and that he wants to play for Detroit or New Jersey (and it is really looking like Detroit is going to get him)…..another offer the Raptors have going for them is with Chicago, where they’ll offer Luol Deng to get Bosh……however, the Raps will ask for more than Deng and so thats why I think this three-way deal will work……New Orleans are really deep into their salary cap…..this trade relieves some cap space…with this trade, they have an amazing backcourt and a young, upcoming PF in Thomas….Chicago gets Bosh and therefore an all-star to play alongside Rose……Toronto gets a solid wing-player in Luol Deng (could even play a 6th man role)….and David West can replace Bosh…..also both players are signed to long-term contracts….

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- out of these 3 proposals, I think the third one is the best and the most realistic….the first one is the least likely to happen since I doubt the Raps can grab Ariza away from the Lakers……but any of these three proposals are better than what the Raps have going right now…..

- i see Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Toronto, Atlanta, Washington, Detroit, and Chicago in the playoffs nex season....with any of these proposals, they are in the elite four or perhaps 2 in the East.....depending on how well the Raps play to their potential... but honestly, i see these 3 proposals as the best options for Toronto.....

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Trade Bosh to the Bulls

Proposal #3

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trades for evans and derozan

i think the raptors should trade shawn marion i think if tyreke evans is not pick by none of the teams the raptors should pick him for the 9th pick and then where every DeMar DeRozan goes they trade for him ...shawn marion Raptors 2010 1st round pick goes .. DeMar DeRozan comes in..
The Staring five Would Be Crazy
Jose Calderon PG
Tyreke Evans SG
Demar DeRozan SF
Chris Bosh PF
Andrea Bargnani C think about it ...

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wow

Would it be possible for us to get a number 3-4 pick without losing the 9? I think so. I think allot of teams out there would like to take a safe Bosh then a risky pick.

If we had the 3 pick and could take Rubio and grb Derozan at 9. We could deal Calderone with either a 2010 pick or with another player for a post up big.

It sounds a bit like throwing in the towel and starting over but the Bosh Era proved a dissapointment if its true that hes leaving in 2010.

I would love to see the European feel of the Raps get some rugged energy from Derozan and a young spark plug like rubio. But I also really like Calderon. However, 27 turning 28 Im not comfortable with his injuries.

Rubio
DeRozan
Kapono
Bargnani
Zach Randolph (i dont know who we would deal calderon for) but this is the core group in 5 yrs....

DeRozan 25
Rubio 23
Bargnani 28 I really think looking at age is important when deciding on your core group

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How about this BLOCKBUSTER?

To Raptors: Josh Smith, Luol Deng and a 1st Round Pick
To Bulls: Chris Bosh, Patrick O'Bryant, Acie Law and Speedy Claxton
To Hawks: Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller and Nathan Jawai

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ly4uhy

It seems to solve each teams needs, assuming the Raptors can't keep Bosh.

The Bulls want Bosh bad. The Hawks want to save money bad. The Raptors would get two nice young players under long-term contracts and a 1st Round Pick to build with and help replace Bosh and Marion.

I LOVE IT.

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