What second year players will shine after a full year of the NBA and a offseason to work on their games.
who ever said eric gordon was the reason they didn't win? not me. was he or was he not a part of that losing team though?
KG's game never stagnated in MN... you are wrong in that respect and proved that you didn't watch Twolves games. KG was the SOLE reason the twolves made the 1st round of the playoffs a gagillion years in a row, but he never advanced because Wally's World was the 2nd best player. I'll repeat that Wally was the 2nd best player...
the one year they had decent talent they made the conference finals (sprewell, cassell)
i don't like the comparison of anthony Randolph to KG... that is my opinion, which you obviously don't care for. regardless, it is stil my opinion.
I know Randolph has a great workout ethic now but you dont learn how to work yourself into stardom your first year, Kobe does special training and also watches a lot of film. I just feel like the film aspect may be missing from Randolph. Trust me I tend to favor all LSU players and people from Louisiana because that is my hometown even though i am in texas now. I am all critical of what he must do. Also you can say a player is not a winner after he is put in a position of favor and he loses but not when he is put in a bad situation already. Gordon was not the reason for his team being terrible. Dude is working out with Kobe. Kobe will not let him be a loser and that is for sure. To get a winner mentality you work out with winners. Gordon is doing that and next year you will see.
KG was in a bad situation every year but 1 and he made the playoffs like 10 years in a row. THAT TO ME IS A WINNER.
yea the clippers are a 'bad' situation but they also had a relatively talented roster, and i believe they won only 19 games.... KG never had players like thorton, camby, kaman, davis on his team and he still managed to win every year.
I give up. If you don't understand that a young player playing ONLY TWO years on two disfunctional teams isn't enough time played to question whether or not he'll ever be a winner during his NBA career... Then I just don't know what else to say. To me this is common sense. I mean, unless Gordon was just known as being a selfish teammate, bad player, etc... I just don't know how you could question him this early in his career, especially considering the situations he's been in. That's what led me to call you stupid. Right now, he's neither a winner or a loser... He has MANY winning qualities. Why would you be anything besides neutral at this point in regards to him potentially having a winning NBA career? I just don't get it. Y'all make it like he'll spend his whole career w/ the Clippers. It's just too early too say anything at this point other than he's been on a disfunctional college team & the worst team in the NBA.
It actually did because i actually kept up with with the Wolves and I actually watched them play live against the sixers with AI before and I have pictures. He got to a point where he was not getting better you dont always get better carrying bad teammates because it gives you bad habits. Ask Kobe. I watch KG D improve and him add some range and then for a few years, he was like the same player. Minnesota lost a little bit of that fire but he regained after the trade. I am sure KG would tell you himself that he lost a little fire after that got far and Sprewell did not get signed and they sucked again. It is only so much you can take. Wally was not really a bad player but he never worked well with KG and they tried to make it work. McHale is known to put 2 players that don't work together and try to make them work. Kevin Love and Jeffererson will never work unless Love continues off the bench. That would be a waste though.
"Wally was not really a bad player but he never worked well with KG and they tried to make it work."
"I am sure KG would tell you himself that he lost a little fire"
Lol Wally is certainly not a legitimate 2nd best player on anyone's team... he never has been, never will be. he could never play a lick of defense and he was a one-dimensional player. the Twolves won because of KG.
KG never lost any fire, ANY GAME he played. he would never admit to playing with less fire than 200%.
tez you are right and the clippers was never about talent which they had. The players gave up on the coach and their were injuries. The was nothing that Gordon could do but play hard and make these game interesting and somewhat competitive. Roy did now win much until his second season with Portland. They won but they did not make the playoffs or neither were they in the chase. Gordon will be alright and I actually saw him as being their main bright spot.
"Why would you be anything besides neutral at this point in regards to him potentially having a winning NBA career?"
i said, i don't know if he will every be a winner in the NBA...... is that or is that not neutral? you said it was STUPID to question whether or not he'll be a winner, and now your neutral on the situation? hmmmm
in comparing him to BRoy, i think that's definitely a difference between the two... another difference is the situations they have been put in, you're right in that respect.
"I don't know if he'll ever be a winner" is a neutral statement to you? If it is neutral, it's an extremely pessamistic neutral statement.
My point is, that at this point in his career... It's too early to question his ability to win during his NBA career. You're using the last two years (two disfunctional teams) to say, "He's been a consistent LOSER & I don't know if he'll ever be a winner." That's just not very neutral to me, nor smart.
In this case, you have to say the same thing about OJ Mayo & so many other young players who've not won much since being in the NBA. Other than Derrick Rose, what rookie from the 2008 class won anything major in college or the NBA? I guess I don't know if Kevin Durant will ever be a winner in the NBA because his team has sucked the last two seasons! It's just a silly statement to make. At this point in Gordon's career, along w/ many others... I'm not willing to question whether or not they'll be winners. I'm optimistic & think that it's possible a lot of them can become winners.
which puts Roy in a different category than all those guys (besides rose) because he has won.... point proven
I would definitely say the same thing about Mayo... I don't know if he will ever be a winner.
i'll definitely admit consistent loser was the wrong term, though I think he has been a loser in his 2 post-HS seasons...
Yeah Love & Jefferson will never work unless Love comes off the bench....that is a true statment Sheltwon. I have a feeling one of them is going to get traded within a year or two.
I also agree xbadger about Mayo. He hasn't shown me that he even really cares about winning yet. I personally always thought he may just be after the money & fame. I hope I'm wrong cuz he is talented but is he motivated?
Yeah I won't call Gordon a loser yet but he definitely isn't a winner. It sucks he has to play for the Clippers....lets hope for his sake he doesn't stay there his hole career.
I know this is pretty far away from my original post but i havent been on. Someone is trying to say that because Mbah a Moute started last year, means that he will start this year. That is a STUPID statement. They guy started when there were scorers around him. Mainly Jefferson and Charlie V. Now that those guys are gone, Redd is recovering and has always been more catch and shoot ( since in the NBA ), they are going to need a scorer to be in the starting lineup. Mbah a Moute is a hard working, undersized, PF. He cant score. He will see alot of time, and maybe start at the PF but Alexander is going to be the starting SF and have a great year. Mbah a Moute will always be the same player untill he learns to shoot a little bit. Guy will never be a starting SF. In the NBA now, that is expected to be the most explosive position and thats not what Mbah a Moute is, however, this is Joe Alexander's middle name.
Mario Chalmers was a steal in the second round and averaged close to two steals per game as a rookie, he is only going to get better and eventually be an elite defender at point guard. He can manage a game as well, averaging close to 5 apg and is a decent shooter with a great IQ, i bet he is in the 13ppg 6 apg 4 rpg and 2 spg next year and is only going to get better.
What makes a guy a winner, you cant be considered a loser of even have doubt about you being a winner he you have not had enough time to show that. If a guy plays hard on a bad team, is he a winner. I remember people doubting KG until he got traded to Boston and won it all. These arguments are stupid because basketball is a team sport. Was Kobe a loser when the Lakers sucked. I like Eric Gordon as a potential winner though because he already has lot of great shooting guard skills. Shooting slashing and getting to the line. Clutch shooting. He just needs to learn how to make his teammates better and that comes with time.
I think you are right that ole boy will not start in Milwaukee mainly because they dont have the offense to give him time starting right now but maybe with a few changes they will be. It depends on who starts if he can start with them because if they can balance out their bench it could work bout it is not a definite. Also i never said that Wally was a good second option for Minnesota. There are lot of teams that he could have been a second option on, back in the day Wally was shooting 50 percent as a perimeter player. There are tons of guys who cant defend their position that have done well in the NBA. Wally just did not fit their team. Cleveland was not a good fit either because Mike Brown is all about D which Wally does not play so he does not get much time to get his scoring out there.
Look xbadge...:
ur arguement is terrible, sorry.
he does not pout all the time, thats just how he is. he always looks like that. whether he hits a game winner or is down by 40. its like when baron always smiles, thats just how he is. its not pouting, its just not being too happy or too low at one point in time. he has a neutral attitude towards all basketball actions in terms of the emotion he shows. also, i watch every clipper game and i can tell u that he rarely ever complains about a call to the refs. Actually the few times that he did complain the announcers would point out because it was such a strange sight.
next thing u missed on gordon: the mark of a winner is not shone by how they act in times of fortune, but rather how they act in times of hardship. The fact that he performed so well in the two post high school situations he played in shows just how much of a winner he is. The only guys who could have won in those situations are probably lebron and kobe. O and those two players have been in the league for much longer than gordon has. Too fault a rookie for not leading his team to the playoffs in a horriffic situation is just plain stupid. Now i know what ur going to say: u were questioning him, not calling him a loser. However, u can't question a rookie's winning mentality w\\\\\\\
clippers... you're exactly on point. The way Gordon is now, w/ his attitude, etc... He's been that way since he was in 5th grade. He never gets too high or too low. He's always been a leader/winner in my book. I remember when he was in 5th grade & he moved up to play in this huge tournament w/ my lil' brothers 7th grade AAU team. Not only was he starting at point guard by the end of the tournament, he played HUGE & wasn't even phased by players 2-3 years older than him. I've never seen a player who's been as dedicated to basketball as him... Seriously & I've seen a lot of good players. I promise... That dude lives, eats, sh*ts & sleeps basketball & he stands for the right things... Plays the game the right way. I just can't imagine him not having a successful NBA career.
butidonthavemoney... They'll trade Thornton WAY before Gordon. Thornton is a black hole. Once he gets the ball, he's going to isolate & shoot. He's never seen a shot he didn't like lol. He needs to work on moving the ball & being effective w/o the ball in his hands.
Eric Gordon was the reason that LAC did not win lol, you are amazing lol. Also I made this comparison based on what I saw about both players. I am originally from Louisiana. Also quite frankly, I think Randolph can be better but right now his D and IQ are slightly down. KG was never in the right system until early in his carreer and with Boston. He games started to stagnate for a few years when Minnesota stunk. Randolph is in a better system for his game. I do realize that is going off the blue but that is the same comparison we make with Lebron being better than Kobe eventually if he can keep his normal pace. Randolph is actually more physically gifted than KG was by a little. I think his improved work ethic and if he starts working out with Kobe like Eric Gordon is and it is a wrap.