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What Raptors should do

Raptors are going nowhere no matter what they think
So here is scenario that could make them a contender..

So say realistically they stay in where they are in a draft...
They trade Bosh, Kapono, 1st rounder to the Utah Jazz for
Kirlenko, Millsap (say he re signs with them for 5 years at 6-8 mil a year), 1st round draft pick 2nd round draft pick 09 and Jazz's first round in future that is lottery protected (i'm sure the Jazz don't want to give up that New Yorks Pick for next year)

It seems like a steep price for Jazz to pay but they need to change their roster or they will always be a playoff team in the west but nothing more.

For the raptors this helps them get rid of contract of kapono and they will get more for bosh instead of losing him in 2010 which seems more likely then ever.
Also they let go of Marion and use that to sign a starting quality SG (ARTEST)and they draft some depth with the 1st round draft pick which is 20th pick and they can draft someone like terence williams and with the 2nd round draft pick which is at 50th pick overall they can draft someone like jerel mcneal who can play both guard positions
Team lineup would be Calderon-Free Agent SG-Kirlenko-Millsap-Bargnani
with terence williams joey graham jerel mcneal off the bench

For the Jazz this will give them another top post player for Deron Williams to play with other then Boozer.
They can draft starting quality SF in the draft with 9th pick overall someone like chase budinger, earl clark or even draft sg and move ronnie brewere to sf. and they would start boozer and bosh moving okur to the bench. this will give them enough firepower to compete with anyone in the league and would for sure make them a contender right away
Team linup Deron Williams-Ronnie Brewer-Draft Pick 09-Bosh-Boozer
with Okur, CJ miles, Kapono, Kyle Korver, Collins coming off the bench


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Those are not bad moves but

Those are not bad moves but I think the Jazz want to keep Milsap and give up Boozer and I don't see Boozer going to Raptors.

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i don't think jazz will be

i don't think jazz will be able to keep milsap and boozer cuz of salary situation so they need to address that

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Raptors side of things

I'm pretty sure Colangelo won't pull the trigger on this move. Bosh seems very loyal, which should mean a sign and trade at worst come 2010. That's why I don't think the Raps need to Panic right now about getting something for Bosh right away. Bosh is a top 3 Power Forward in the league. The players the Raps are getting back are solid on defense, but leave the raps with a huge void in their offense. Unless Bargs and Calderon have a few Stockton-Malone-esque seasons, the raps are headed to the lottery for the foreseeable future. This trade also has another setback: the Raps will be looking to go young, and AK47 and Milsap are at their peaks already (or very near, IMO). The draftpicks are too low for the raps to have a good shot at getting a solid rotation player or two in the next few years. Also, not too many teams are willing to trade away a star for two offensively challenged sixth-men type players.

All in all.... I don't know man, this trade doesn't seem all that likely

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not a bad trade

i think that trade is good for both sides but looking into the trades the jazz has done in recent years, they have never traded for a superstar. i think the "biggest" trade they did was to go up the draft and get deron. i don't think the jazz would pull the trigger if this was offered to them.

the raptors should get derozan or harden (if he falls to 9) in the draft. also, they need a combo-guard who can score of the bench, similar to what flip murray has done in atlanta. they should keep anthony parker, he would be good off the bench. the raptors need muscle in the post. players they could target: bass, powe, malik rose, shelden williams.

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i know that it's unlikely

i know that it's unlikely that both gms would make the deal because they overevaluate their own players talent but with bosh in the mix and with potential of him leaving in 2010 i think this might be the best offer they could get. it would work under salary cap and we all know with sign and trade it's the last option for raptors as they won't get much in return maybe a first round draft pick... and millsap is like untouched in potential when he was starting for utah he was double double machine and we all know raptors need some toughness inside and millsap fits the bill with toughness and rebounds (especially with bargnani career average rebound of like 5 or so haha) and kirlenko is versatile enough to guard all the premier wings and he needs a scene change. and with them not having draft pick next yr and not having 2nd round draft pick this year it could help them alot.

also to sweeten the deal utah could throw in someone like morris almond who i think could still be a starting two for a team.

i also agree with raptors should keep parker as he is solid player who is asked to do too much right now but he is a solid player and that raptors should target bass and powe but not so much rose or shelden williams haha

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This What The Raptors Should Do

Trade Chris Bosh to the Golden State Warriors, for Monta Ellis, Anthony Randolph, and Marco Belinelli...Monta Ellis & Jose Calderon would make one of the best backcourts in the league...Anthony Randolph has superstar potential, I think he can be the next Chris Bosh...As for Belinelli, he has skills, it's just that Don Nelson didn't really play him much...In the draft, if they pick around 8th through 11th, I say they select Chase Budinger...Budinger gives them athleticism at the small forward position and a pure shooter...Resign Shawn Marion in the off- season because he's a good defender...They need an enforcer in the middle because Bargnani is too soft...They need someone who will put someone on their ass..And then add some role players, that can play some defense, to fill the bench

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agree

i like your trade to golden state, but yes they are lacking that big man... some one like gortat or the bird man could fill that role with out paying to much money

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raptors can do so much

raptors can do so much better then that i believe
if they were to trade bosh i think they would want to get rid of the crappy contracts of jason kapono or marcus banks.
and if they were to trade with GS i would rather want Biedrins who is low post defender and a very good rebounder to play along side with bargnani and then i would also want either maggette or kelenna azuibuke(who i think is very underrated and is what raptors need a slash wing who can score) and then throw in belineli, wright, or randolph to make the salary cap match and raptors should want a first round draft pick as well i know it's a lot for gs to give up but this would give them a legitimate post threat

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Trade Bosh to start over.

Trade Bosh to start over. Get some high draft picks and get some good rookies to help Calderon and Andreis.

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get rid of bosh

they should get rid of Bosh because hes leaving anyway after 2010,Calderon will be their point guard, sign or draft a good shooter and a great wing defendr someone like terrence williams or maybe resign shawn marion and draft or try to add a big strong player downlow to complement Bargani

Then we may see the Raptors in the playoffs

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Trade Down

I'd trade down in the draft and pick up Chase Budinger. Perfect small forward with crazy athletism. In trading down you'd also get some bench help, perferable a combo gaurd. Don't resign Marion, he's passing his prime. Trade Humphries for second round pick. Then they should take Tyrese Rice with their secound round pick. He'll become a scorer.

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Why try to give up Bosh?

Okay, so there's a good chance Bosh lands with a big market team next summer, but the Raptors aren't as bad a people have made them out to be. They won the majority of their games down the stretch against some good competition. Therefore, I would do my research, and draft the best player to fit my system (Earl Clark and James Johnson look good on paper). Find a reliable scorer to come off the bench (Flip Murray has been sensational in the ATL). And then, if things aren't looking good come Christmas, then see what you can get for Bosh. Don't forget, they play in the East, and the Pistons are going to give up one of the playoff spots next year, as could the Hawks, so hang on, Raptor fans, things could be good for 2010 and beyond.

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Raps will be a strong contender if they play their cards right

ok...so first off, they signed Jay Triano today...for a three year contract...wasn't a smart move, but end of the day, he really isn't that bad.....the raps did have a good stretch at the end of the season....so who knows, it jus might work out....

first off, get rid of Joey Graham and Roko Ukic...trade both of them to Portland and get Jerryd Bayless and one of their many 2nd round picks they got this season.....this'll take care of the back-up PG the raps needed....Bayless is extremely talented and his services should be used more than the way he's being used by the blazers.... he will get more mins and play a key role with the raps....

one of the players i was impressed with during this playoff season was Luis Scola from the Rockets..... work on a three-way deal with the Rockets, Raps, and OKC....rockets get Nenad Krstic, Anothony Parker.....OKC gets Nathan jawai, rights to Giorgos Printezis, and 2nd round Portland pick from the Bayless trade.....Toronto gets Luis Scola...works well for Scola cuz of raps having all those international players....he'll like it there.....plus Carlos Delfino, fellow Argentine is signin with the raps.....also he's a good back up to Bargnani in the center position.....

as we get to the 09 draft, the raps should try to get rid of Bosh.....he's a great player, but i hate his lack of physical presence....plus i hate all the talk about "oh, Bosh is leavin in 2010"....if Raps get rid of him, they don't have to deal with all that anymore....if the Kings do get the first pick the raps should give them Bosh and Marcus banks in exchange for the first pick, and then they draft Griffin......amazing physical presence in the 4 position.....with the 7/8 pick, the raps should be able to get Derozen.....athletically gifted.....can play the wing position.... as a huge Tar Heels fan, i would also try to get Wayne Ellington.....i would trade Jason Kapono to New Jersey, in exchange for their 1st round pick in which ill most likely be able to get Ellington....his 3-pt shootin is lethal and matches Toronto's style of play.....

as for free agent signing over the summa, they should re-sign Marion....he has excellent defensive fundamentals....no wonder when the Suns got rid of them, they went down the drain....same with Miami.....also another key free agent is Richard hamilton...let's be honest...after Pistons got rid of Billups, they are basically lost, with no knowledge of whats goin to happen to their future....their quick first round exit this year jus echoes that point....Rip should sign with the Raps....with Rip and matrix, it gives the raps the right veteran and playoff experience they need in order to be strong contender in the East....

the Raps should look like:
* Andrea Bargnani > Luis Scola > (S)Patrick O'Bryant
* Blake Griffin > Kris Humphries > Pops N Bensu > (S)Jake Voshkuhl
* Shawn Marion > Dermar Derozen
* Richard Hamilton > Carlos Delfino > Wayne Ellington
* Jose Calderon > Jerryd Bayless > (S)Quincy Douby

(S) = not in 12-man squad
* = starter

with the right group of youngsters and veteran players with successful playoff experience, the raps are on their way to becoming a strong NBA title contender.....but its all about how they play their cards this summa...what they do this summa will be a crucial point to the club's future and the path they take

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Why would OKC trade their

Why would OKC trade their starting center for absolutely noting??

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why would OKC trade their starting center

Jaredpaul89, Krstic barely averages 10 ppg.... a decent center, but i mean look at these year's draft....they have already two 1st round draft picks... plus let's say if my proposal goes through, they have a 2nd round pick as well.....they'll be able to get Hasheem Thabeet and late in the first round, they can get BJ Mullens or Tyler Hansbrough.....those two additions are more than enough to cover up for Krstic's loss....and if you pay attention to the international euroleague, raps givin away rights to Printezis to OKC is gonna be a shock....the kid's gettin better at his game and brings an amazing physical presence on the 3/4 position

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Krstic is thier only height.

Krstic is thier only height. Collison is their next biggest player and he is 6'9. If they trade him they have to try to get some size in the free agent. And i don't see any free agents that they could get that could do what Krstic is doing.

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OKC have options in the draft

Krstic ain't doing that much.....he's 7 foot, 240 pounds....to be honest, if OKC draft Hasheem, he'll be a better than Krstic....without doubt....you want height, well Hasheem is a 7'3 and as for size, almost 270 pounds.....forget the free agent list to replace Krstic.....i know Hasheem is a rookie and doesn't have any experience yet, but there are only a handful of NBA players with his height and size.....and like i said before, if they can get late first rounder BJ Mullens (another 7 footer and 260 pounds) thats all the height and size OKC needs in the front

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Ok. Neither one of those

Ok. Neither one of those guys will have to be guarded away from the rim like Kristic. He has a jumper that has to be respected unlike Thabette or Mullens.

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Players that have a solid jumpshot like Krstic's

Thabeet's jumper aint that bad....and he's gettin better....typically international players in the 4/5 position, like Krstic, tend to have a good, solid jumper....if they go with my proposal and get Portland's 2nd draft pick, they have several options when comes to player that has a good height and a solid jumper for the 5 position.....players like Josh Heytvelt from Gonzaga comes to mind....also several international players such as Victor Claver from Spain and Henk Norel have a solid jumpers.....so the 2nd draft pick will take care of that........keep in mind, OKC is still a growing team....give these three additions a couple of years to develop and OKC's frontline is gonna look a whole lot better....

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... 1st of all Rip Hamilton

... 1st of all Rip Hamilton signed a contract extension so there goes that idea...
2nd why the hell would portland trade a 2nd round draft pick and jerryd bayless who was a lottery pick player just last yr for joey grham and roko ukic... what would portland have use for joey graham and ukic... nothing absolutely nothing.
3rd New Jersey trading their first round draft pick to raptors for kapono? c'mon man seirously if it were that easy to get rid of kapono and his huge worthless contract they would've done that years ago... not to mention salary wise it won't work as new jersey is over the salary cap and can't just take 6 mil contract a year for a draft pick...
4th Bosh and Marcus banks for 1st pick overall to kings? it just won't work salary wise unless we were to take back around 20 million dollars worthy of contracts... and kings they just don't have anything that we would want except for that 1st pick and if it were to match it would just kill the raptors contract situation.
5th your three way trade with okc rockets and raptors just doesn't work under contract situation not to mention rockets won't give up luis scola who is a near perfect fit with yao and okc giving up kristic for jawai and that i don't think so... but mostly it won't work anyways cuz of the restriction on trades.
6th they won't have money left to sign marion. if all those things were to happen let alone rip hamilton who isn't even a free agent

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Kristic is not much.

Ok Kristic was ok with the nets but after he left he not much anymore. What the raptors need to do I trade Jose Calderon and Jason Kapono for someone like a ben Gordon or a Richard Jefferson so they can get some points. Second Chris Bosh needs to stay he can go out their every night and give you 20pts. and 10rebs. He can hit the 18ft. jumpr if he's having a good night he can stretch it out to 20ft. And who ever put Rip is in the free agebcy this year he's not.

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Bosh's contract is up next

Bosh's contract is up next year so who would take him.

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thats why i think that this

thats why i think that this works with the Jazz as if the contract goes up and they don't resign him or can't resign him they only really lost millsap as kirlenko wasn't giving them much to begin with

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trade calderon?

why would you trade jose calderon??? thats the most ridiculus things they could do this summer... he is their only point with experience, and in your trade they dont even get a point guard back... so roko is gonna start??? and even if they got a point guard in return, jose is a fan favorite and probably one of the most consistent and best shooting point guards in the league.

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Raptors 09-10

Everybody, calm down...the Raptors are going to make a run for Ben Gordon, giving them exactly what they want, the Phoenix of the East. They'll draft a swing man in the mold of Earl Clark or James Harden, and they'll compete for an Eastern playoff spot with Philly, Indy, Charlotte, and Atlanta.

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gordon

i hope they dont get him.... they need some perimeter defense, not more shooters... but he would be a vast improvement of the other guards that toronto has

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Raptors 09-10

lol.....ok, first off jus wanna apologize to any pistons fans out there who saw the "Rip Hamilton is a free agent" talk.....Hamilton's name has come up several times around the Raptor's fan clubs, and therefore I assumed he was a free agent this summa....i was wrong and therefore i apologize.....

as for cpoint.jazz8, i'm reporting from toronto.....therefore i know Toronto's situation very well....now im not a hardcore raptors fan, but i hear their views, watch almost all of the raptors games, and i can speak on behalf of them.....so about your proposal:

a) Chris Bosh is very loyal....possibly one of the most loyal NBA players in the league to his team....if he were to go, it is because Colangelo didn't address what Bosh asked for....which was get better players this summa through signings, trades, and draft picks....if raps can do that (and they got a lot of money and options to work with this summa), he'll re-sign with the raps in 2010.....i don't see him leavin....he has committed himself to this team for many years now and leaving is his very last option (sorry David Aldridge).....

b) i know you think Jason Kapono is garbage.....but here is the thing....last year during the playoffs against Orlando, Kapono was the only bright spot of the raptors.....many coaches condemned the raptors for not using him enough....he is a useful player during the playoffs...and his 3-pt figures are lethal.....around the league, the main players of the raptors that are typically talked about are Bosh, Calderon, Anthony Parker, and Kapono....so he must be doing something right.....this is really the first summa the raptors are actually considering the thought of trading Kapono.....

c) Colangelo made it very clear that his goals for this summa are to get a back-up point guard.... get some tough physical presence in the front court.....and use the draft pick to get a young promising player (most likely a wing player like Derozen).......also with a lot of money left, they plan to sign a veteran player that could help them in the post season.......Kirilenko and Millsap don't really address that......not to mention, word is that Detroit are the front runners for Boozer or Millsap....i hear the knicks are interested in Millsap too.....but from Toronto its a NO

d) The raptors are a very good team.....if it wasn't for O'Neal getting injured, Humphries out for the season, Calderon getting injured we all know the raptors would have been in the playoffs.....started off very strong...also ended of the season very strong.....so if they are gonna make changes its not gonna be drastic changes....they are very close to a becoming a strong playoff contender

e) Bosh, Bargnani, and Calderon are considered untouchables according to raptors fans and Colangelo as well....so if any of y'all fantasies have one of those three being traded, you can keep dreaming......

f) cpoint.jazz8, i figure you are a jazz fan and i can understand why you would love this trade...boozer and bosh in the front with deron playing the point.....gives another reason for Boozer to stick around with Utah....but it doesn't help Toronto.....you have to understand that Toronto is not a growing team anymore.....we are working towards becoming a strong playoff contender.....and Millsap and Kirilenko (who is wayyy past his prime) for Bosh aint smart...people of Toronto will move out of the city if that happened.....lol.....and your draft picks, lets be honest....a pick in the 20's and a 2nd round pick doesnt help raps much.....so not happening....sorry

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what should the raptors do this summa?

what should the raptors do this summa?

a) Get rid of kapono....i know Kapono has an amazing 3-pt figure.....i know he can help a playoff bound team....here is the thing....he doesn't really fit Toronto's system...... i agree houstan giving up Scola is gonna be hard to do...so here is my new 3-way deal:
Cleveland: Gets Nenad Krstic and cash considerations from OKC
OKC: Gets Jason Kapono
Toronto: after the sign and trade, Anderson Varejao ends up with the Raps

keep in mind OKC has two first round draft picks to get a tall sizeable replacement for Krstic....they can trade one of their players for a second round draft pick and get someone like Josh Heytvelt from Gonzaga...who has height and a decent jumpshot.....

b)if Raps consider getting rid of Bosh, it has to be for a good purpose.....like they have to get someone equally good....and its gotta be a team that can take his contract.....here is the thing...the Kings are most likely to get the #1 pick.....they jus had a garage sale last season and got rid of basically everyone except for Kevin Martin (their main financial commitment) ....they have cap space....i say give Bosh for their #1 pick and Raps get Griffin....there are many pros and cons to this trade......Bosh is an experienced, all-star and gold medalist...we still don't know what griffin will end up becoming.... Bosh has the smooth jumpshot and Griffin is working on his still....Griffin is a physical presence and Bosh is still working on that....i understand Bosh gets 20 and 10 every game....Griffin can pull up more than 10 rebounds in my opinion...mayb 15-20 pts a game....but if there is anyone who might be able to replace Bosh and gain the raptor's fans respect, its Griffin.....

c)please waive Marcus banks......4 mil for what....to sit on a bench....and who would want him?.... well past his prime

d) re-sign Marion.....i think people are forgetting that Marion isnt gonna get a 17 mil contract (look at his age).....heck, he aint even gettin a 10 mil contract....i figure about an 8.....he is worth signing...excellent defensive presence in the wing position.....great leadership skills on the court....overall, amazing player that gained many raptors fans respect....heyy, we should all learn from past mistakes....look what happened when Matrix left Phoenix and Miami...lol....please no sign and trade.....easier to convince Matrix to stay with Colangelo as GM ( Phoenix connection)

e) sign and trade Anthony Parker

Charlotte: Gets Anothony Parker
Toronto: Gets Raja Bell

f) they need a back up to Calderon......i addressed this before and i will say it again...there is no point of Portland having Bayless if they are not gonna use him and his amazing skill-set.....whats he there for? to keep the benches warm....lol....there are teams like Toronto who could use him...offer him lot more mins....plus i dont think anything will change Bayless situation in Portaland if he sticks around over there...he'll eventually get frustrated for not letting him play.....what is Bayless doing in Portland? : nothing absolutely nothing......also they got five picks in this draft and they dont need that many....

Portland gets: Roko Ukic, "sign and trade" Joey Graham
Toronto gets: Jerryd Bayless, 2nd round draft pick in 09 draft

now Roko Ukic did have several good nights.....scored 20 + in one game...needs to work on his jumpshot....but he could play the role that Bayless was doing with the Blazers which was being a benchwarmer.....reason why i threw Graham in there was cuz a year bac and during the beginning of this season, there was talk about teams interested in Graham and Blazers name did come up.....i jus connected the dots.....

g) work a deal with any of the teams with 10-15 pick in the 09 draft.....

any 10-15 pick team (possibly work with the Bulls since they might get #15....plus Bulls already have a pick in the 20's) gets: Nate Jawai, rights to Giorgos Printezis, and 2nd round Portland pick from the Bayless trade
Toronto: with that 1st round draft pick, draft Wayne Ellington

also this summa Bulls are tryin to resign certain players (Ben Gordan) and be a big player in '10 summa at the same time...good luck with that....

h) with the 7/8 pick, draft Derozen

09/10 Raptors roster:

*Andrea Bargnani > Anderson Varejao > (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Blake Griffin > Kris Humphries > Pops N Bensu > (S) Jake Voskuhl
*Shawn Marion > Dermar Derozen
*Raja Bell > Carlos Delfino > Wayne Ellington
*Jose Calderon > Jerryd Bayless > (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

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- i see all the comments about Gordan, Artest tryin to fill that SG spot....bottom line i think after what happened this post season, Bulls are gonna try to resign Gordan ....i cant see Artest comin to Toronto.......i am surprised no one has mentioned Jamal Crawford.....another solid player but also, i cant see him comin to toronto( too good to be true).....perhaps let Anthony Parker go (no sign and trade) and sign Crawford to 7.5-8 mil......another player to look at is Laker's SG Shannon Brown.....playin exceptionally well during the playoffs...also Desmond Mason, but i doubt he'll make the trip to toronto....only players that might actually make it to Toronto are Crawford or Shannon Brown or mayb Mason...but i still like Raja Bell....plus Colangelo's got connections to him from the Phoenix days.....easier to persuade his agent

- as for toughness, i like the idea of signing Gortat.....others include Zaza Pachulia, Glen Davis, Hakim Warrick, Francisco Elson, Chris Wilcox, Stromile Swift, Channing Frye, Paul Millsap, Etan Thomas.....also look into a trade with '10 free agents like Kurt Thomas, Oberto, and Scola.......however i still go with Varejao....jus the salaries fit that trade....he jus seems to fit the Raptor's system and what the raps are really lookin for...someone aggressive who can get the offensive rebounds.....being international only helps Rap's theme....lol....

- as a back up for Calderon, how about an all spanish backcourt with Navarro..... still like Bayless though cuz most likely Navarro might resign..... also feel Bayless has a lot more to offer than what Portland are tryin to portray.....

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i'm not saying bosh isn't

i'm not saying bosh isn't loyal i'm not even say colangelo and the city of toronto isn't loyal to raptors.
but NBA is a business man, and being realistic look at that lineup that u came up with do you see them competing with likes of cleveland, miami, boston, orlando or even atlanta?
if you were a true raptors fan you would know what raptors solely lack... which is a wing that can create for himself and for the team. i love calderon and i think he is a very very good player but he isn't a player who can create off dribble or score when necessary. and raja belll? as good of a defender as he is he just isn't the answer for your wing.

and yes i am a Utah Jazz fan and have been all my life haha but kirlenko isn't past his prime far from it. Just like Kapono at raptors i don't feel like kirlenko is utilized to his full potential. so with change of scenery i feel like he can do good stuff. i know everyone remembers when he was an all star with averages of like 18pts 8boards 4 asts 2 stls and 2 blks i feel like he can still duplicate that number given the right situation. and worst case scenario he can be like marion kinda player. and i really don't feel like raptors hsould resign marion just isn't good on raptors.

and there is no way charlotte wil give up raja bell for parker after they had like career franchise year almost making the playoff

also i don't see any team between 10-15 giving up that draft pick for jawai, european dude and 2nd round draft pick... being in recession the best way to make a team right now is through rookies and the rookie contracts as it's the best deal in NBA. like having guy like brandon roy at what 4-5 mil? thats a good deal even though it's only for 4 years

also i think you are giving blazers no credit... they know they got a huge talent player in bayless. they see him as a perfect fit beside brandon roy who is really a pointguard in SG body and bayless is a scoring G in a PG body. they want to grow him slowly while starting blake and they had a chance to get guys like stoudamire and vince carter but they didn't make those deal because they didn't wnana give up guys like bayless or outlaw... and they are for sure not gonna give him up for ukic and graham. and if we are talkign about good games when bayless was giving good min he scored 20 pts easily. portland isn't gonna give up potential star for ukic and graham who are going to be career bench filler.

and kapono besides taht orlando series where he had like what 2 or 3 good games? and u r gonna say he is a godo player? c'mon man during the season he couldn't even get 1 three a game... and i've watched there game... it's not cuz he is not utilized properly it's cuz everyone knows he only has a 3 point shot so they actually guard that... and c'mon man i've seen him play he does that head fake and then leans in shoots like c'mon it's garbage and u know it... hahah

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final offer to the Raptors

im gonna make some minor tweaks to my original proposal...but i think this is as good as it gets for the raps by the end of this summa:

a) 3-way deal:
Cleveland: Gets Nenad Krstic and cash considerations from OKC
OKC: Gets Jason Kapono
Toronto: after the sign and trade, Anderson Varejao ends up with the Raps

keep in mind OKC has two first round draft picks to get a tall sizeable replacement for Krstic....they can trade one of their players for a second round draft pick and get someone like Josh Heytvelt from Gonzaga...who has height and a decent jumpshot.....also OKC would benefit from Kapono's 3pt range....plus OKC are one of the few teams that has the cap space to afford Kapono's contract....

b) if Raps consider getting rid of Bosh, it has to be for a good purpose....i emphasize of IF.....like they have to get someone equally good....and its gotta be a team that can take his contract.....here is the thing...the Kings are most likely to get the #1 pick.....they jus had a garage sale last season and got rid of basically everyone except for Kevin Martin (their main financial commitment) ....they have cap space....i say give Bosh for their #1 pick and Raps get Griffin....there are many pros and cons to this trade......Bosh is an experienced, all-star and gold medalist...we still don't know what griffin will end up becoming.... Bosh has the smooth jumpshot and Griffin is working on his still....Griffin is a physical presence and Bosh is still working on that....i understand Bosh gets 20 and 10 every game....Griffin can pull up more than 10 rebounds in my opinion...mayb 15-20 pts a game....but if there is anyone who might be able to replace Bosh and gain the raptor's fans respect, its Griffin.....

in Sac's point of view, they keep Bosh for that one year....then if Bosh decided to actually leave to Detroit and play alongside Millsap (word is Detroit are the front-runners for Millsap).....then Sac have that summa to sign whoever......15mil and counting.....long list of good free agents in 2010.....

c) please waive Marcus banks......4 mil for what....to sit on a bench....and who would want him?.... well past his prime

d) re-sign Marion.....i think people are forgetting that Marion isnt gonna get a 17 mil contract (look at his age).....heck, he aint even gettin a 10 mil contract....i figure about an 8.....he is worth signing...excellent defensive presence in the wing position.....great leadership skills on the court....overall, amazing player that gained many raptors fans respect....heyy, we should all learn from past mistakes....look what happened when Matrix left Phoenix and Miami...lol....please no sign and trade.....easier to convince Matrix to stay with Colangelo as GM ( Phoenix connection)

e) sign and trade Anthony Parker

Portland: Gets Anothony Parker
Toronto: Gets Jerryd Bayless and a 2nd draft pick in the 09 draft

this takes care of the Rap's need for a back-up PG ...i know what you are sayin that Bayless can score 20 pts easily but the thing is we will never know when they keep him on the bench....lets be honest, his situation wont change nex season......they'll stick with the same guards and their same game plan nex year as well.....Bayless will get frustrated without doubt....and Anthony Parker is a keeper.....solid 3-pt figures...excellent defensive fundamentals.....will help them in the post-season with his experience..... AP is a very valuable asset to have.....

f) work a deal with any of the teams with 10-15 pick in the 09 draft.....i would say Bulls are the team to work with....Bulls aren't gonna do anything drastic this summa....the more i think about it the more i realize that Bulls won't resign Gordan......they'll jus stick with the team they got....they really dont need both their first round picks.....cuz after 10, the draft is weak......plus we all know in 2010 summa, the Bulls are gonna be the front-runners of D-Wade....especially when Chicago is his hometown and he's already won a title with Miami.....why would he wanna kill himself playin in Miami?......so for Chicago, i see nex season as Deng playin the 3 and Salmons play the 2....

so i suggest work a sign and trade with Joey graham...he is very little financial commitment....

Bulls get: Nate Jawai (they could waive or use him off the bench nex season), Joey Graham, Roko Ukic (could play a solid backup PG role alongside Hunter), and 2nd round Portland pick from the Bayless trade
Toronto: Chicago 1rd round draft pick in 09 draft, and their 2nd round draft pick in '10

with the chicago's pick they draft Ellington.....

g) with most likely the 8 pick, they can draft Derozen......he'll back up Marion in the wing position....and if he becomes the player that people say he'll become, then he will be able to create for himself and for the team

h) they have an option this summa of either signing Jamal Crawford or Ben Gordan.....Sign Ben Gordan to a 5 year $55- 60 mil contract......the raps actually have the money to sign both Marion and Gordan.....there are only a handful of teams that have the cap space to make good signs this season, one of them being the Raps......btw, i agree with u completely on the Raja Bell thing...and like what David Aldridge said, the Bobcats are tryin to become a strong playoff team and if they do sign Iverson this summa....nex season will be better for them......also if Colangelo gets Bell, raps fans will critisize him for tryin to make the Raps like the old Phoenix suns....lol...as for why i went with Gordan rather than Crawford......they both are really the same....look at their figures......plus Crawford has to go with his early termination option......more to deal with.....Gordan is really what the Raps fan's are lookin for in a SG position....jus needs to work on his defense.....but that shouldnt be a problem....

09/10 roster:

*Andrea Bargnani > Anderson Varejao > (S) Patrick O'Bryant
*Blake Griffin > Kris Humphries > Pops N Bensu > (S) Jake Voskuhl
*Shawn Marion > Dermar Derozen
*Ben Gordan > Carlos Delfino > Wayne Ellington
*Jose Calderon > Jerryd Bayless > (S) Quincy Douby

* = starter, (S) = not in 12 man squad

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- will this squad become a strong Eastern contender.......thats a hard question to answer....depends on a lot of things....will Grffin be as good as he says he is or jus a better version of Humphries.....can Griffin get 20 and 15 a game....or almost 20 pts.....will he get better on his jumper........with more mins in the raps system, will Varejao and Bayless shine to their potential.....will Varejao continue to keep gettin offensive rebounds, something raps have been stugglin for a long time.....will Gordan keep scorin the way he did against the Celtics a couple of weeks ago......will he do it throughout the season...will Calderon stay healthy......will Derozen become a strong wing player as people say he'll become......will Bargnani continue to get better.....if these do come out true, and they all stay healthy, then Toronto will become a legitimate contender in the east.....

i see Cleveland, Orlando, Boston, Toronto, Atlanta, Philly, Chicago, and Charlotte in the playoffs nex season....with this squad, they are in the elite four or perhaps 2.....depending on how well the Raps players mesh...like i mentioned in the earlier paragraph......but honestly, i see this squad as the best option for Toronto.....

- as for Utah.....man, its hard to say whats gonna happen to them....i see the Pistons grabbin Millsap this summa....i cant see Boozer leavin Utah.....but i dun know whats gonna happen to them....i see the Jazz always makin the playoffs but Boozer and Deron jus arent enough to get them to nex round in the playoffs....they gotta do something drastic.....gettin Bosh would definetly do it....but Colangelo isnt like the past GMs of the Raps.....he's lookin for someone with equal value if its for Bosh.....

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about Kapono

nah man...i aint sayin Kapono is a good player...i think he sucks.....i know what u mean about the head fake and lean in....and all the travellin calls....lol.....but the bottom line is this is really the first time the Raps will test him out in the market.....and word is that teams still want him....lol....a lot of people think that its jus the Raps system and not Kapono....yea, i know....its messed up....give him to OKC....thats all i can say....

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I Heard

I heard that they trading away Marion And bosh is 50-50 about staying.

On Draft day, on ESPN they believe that they would go with either Tyreke Evans or if his stock go down Brandon Jennings. It depends what they need.

TO ALL YOU INTERNET TOUGH GUYS ON NBADRAFT.NET DON'T ACT LIKE A COUPLE OF BABIES ITS JUST WHAT I HEARD.

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