What pick is Greg Oden worth?
I'm interested to know what pick the Trailblazers would take for Greg Oden. You've all heard the rumor that they're trying to move up in the draft, well lets say all they're willing to give up is Oden. Can they get a top 3 pick? Top 5? Top 10? Which team would be the first to offer their pick straight up? I say the Pistons at 7, and if I was the Blazers, I think I'd take that offer.
Why would they trade for the seventh pick? there isnt a player that stand out there, the only real position they need is point guard, If they got offered the first pick thats the only pick id take, Hes still 21, and if hes healthy is a 15 10 3 guy next year, his numbers were off the chart last year in limited playing time, no way im trading him for a draft pick only unless its the first pick.
"if he's healthy"? That's a pretty big if right now, right? I really like Oden, as a person and as a player, but what's the over/under on how many games he's going to play next year? 30? If you're the Blazers and you have a chance to get Cousins, Monroe, or Wesley Johnson for a guy who might never actually play half the games in a season, don't you have to do that?
i don't think the blazers would move oden yet, but with camby and pryzbilla they could if they wanted to. there are 3 teams in the top 7 that could use an oden (t-wolves, warriors, pistons). i don't think the t-wolves would make a move since they could draft cousins anyways. i personally think the t-wolves are going to package the 4 and one of their other first rounds for the 2 to take turner. i don't think the warriors would make that move either since they just went through a horrendous year of injuries to their frontcourt. adding another guy with durability issues is probably out of the question. i think the pistons would make sense since they need a center and especially a younger, taller, more offensive version of big ben. at 7, the blazers could get a skilled pf (davis, udoh, monroe, patterson) to back-up aldridge. they would have a pretty solid 10 at that point:
c - camby, pryz
pf - aldridge, #7
sf - batum, webster
sg - roy, fernandez
pg - miller, bayless
I think Philly could consider him for the second pick if they feel he could be healthy. The thing is if he stay healthy Portland would want to keep him because there is no one in this draft that i feel is a better fit for them over a healthy Greg Oden. Portland has a nice starting unit but they need a bench and to be healthy. Cousins would not be a better fit for them than a healthy Oden. Also they have Camby for about 2 more years. Alridge is at the 4 spot. They need help at the 3 but have like 3 guys that play there. Miller is getting old but the only point that is better than him in this draft is Wall. Every other point can be had with their pick.
Why sacrifice a once in a lifetime talent at center for a bk up. Portland would only make this trade if they really felt Oden is not ever going to be healthy. What team would be stupid enough to do this knowing this is the only reason you trade Oden for a draft pick to get a bkup.
Philly will not do that trade. Give me D. Cuz and his potential and problems over Oden and his potential and problems.
apb540, if I was a Philly fan, I'd feel the same way. Everyone keeps saying, "if he's healthy", but that's the whole point of this discussion. No one knows whether he'll be healthy, but history tells us that in three years he's never been healthy. Knowing that Oden might NEVER stay healthy, which team would first be willing to take a chance.
I hear ya
I got a negative for saying the same thing, people need to learn to read
I would still rather have Cousins.
Oden is 21... 21. He can still play another ten years in the league and be a 31 year old center in excellant physical shape. It is waaayyy to early to even think about trading the guy. If Oden gets 2 straight relatively healthy years under his belt this will be an utterly stupid conversation to have.
Some players go through these "injury plagued years" a few times in their careers. Camby is one of them as an example.
Oden could very well be a senior in college right now. Its too early. I know everyone is affraid he's another Sam Bowie but thats not gonna happen. Sam Bowie was Sam bowie. Most of Odens injuries were flukes. Its screwing with him mentally but like i said... 2 injury free seasons to find his groove and he will never look back. Still has hall of fame potential.
With all that said... to indulge this conversation,
I would force a trading partner to acquire one of the top 2 picks in the draft, aswell as a mid first rounder and look for an allstar caliber player and a good role player in return. I know its alot but a healthy Oden will be irreplaceable. There just aren't any others out there like him.
Okay, at least this brought out some good discussion. Although I appreciate those of you that are saying that Oden is still basically untouchable, I don't buy it. In three years he's given them basically nothing. Yes, I understand that he's a "once in a generation player", but typically when guys are injury plagued for the first three years of their career.... they don't end up being stars in the league. I hope I'm wrong.
There's a reason they were willing to give Camby $10Mil a year, and I think that it's because they don't believe Oden is their long term solution at Center. They know they can't depend on him.
The part of this discussion that we haven't hit that I think is really important is Portland's financial situation. They have about $48 Mil tied up in Andre Miller, Lamarucs Aldridge, Marcus Camby, and Brandon Roy over the next couple years, plus they have Batum, Fernandez, and Webster that will all require substantial raises over the next couple years.... keep in mind that Oden is able to sign an extension in a few weeks..... which brings me to this question. How much do you pay a guy who has "once in a generation potential" who plays an average of 20 games a year and might never reach that potential? I don't really know the answer, but I do know that the extension of Camby, combined with the rumors that Portland is trying to move up, plus the fact that Oden could sign an extension this off season seem to point to the fact that Portland might be willing to make a deal....
Andre millers contract is an expiring deal this season if Por wants it to be. They have a team option for the season after. I always thought the Camby signing was insurance because Przybilla's knee probably won't be ready by camp which means an entire season of playing out of shape. They needed a backup who was ready and Camby fills that need. I also thought Camby would make a good mentor for Oden's defense. How to block shots/play defense without fouling out which has been a huge problem for him. Maybe he learns how to move his feet again like in highschool and college.
Portlands salary structure for 10/11 aint bad really.
I know Roys isnt on there but the 40 they are at makes sense. Webster, Bayless, Fernadez and Batum are all signed to atleast team options untill the end of 11-12 season which is a ways off. Worse case for Oden is Por tenders the qualifying offer for the 11-12 season and see what the rest of the league thinks of him. He will be restricted and they can always choose to match. Thats still 2 full seasons from now before you have to deal with it. If Oden stays healthy and gets in proper shape (highschool/college) instead of lumbering up and down the court like the last 2 seasons (its hard to get in running shape when your knee is screwed) we should learn everything we need to know to answer this question better. I'm sure thats Por's strategy aswell.
27guy, his trade value will got up after this year if he can play and be healthy and also even though next year draft is a weaker draft as far as depth as big men, there are more player Portland would want in the top 10 next year so it would be wise for them to wait to trade him. Getting Oden for Philly would be a good move if he is healthy but if he is healthy Portland can get more for him so this trade is not a legit one. A healthy Oden is better than Cousins. Cousins maybe able to score more but Oden is more athletic and can shut people down and Oden tends to be in shape.
But Sheltwon, what if he gets hurt again? Can you imagine if he gets hurt again? His stock could decrease even more and then you pay him what? At what point do you acknowledge that he's not the franchise center that you thought he was?
ODEN IS NOT WORTH 2ND PICK,HES NOT WORTH LOTTERY PICK.... WHY WOULD ANYBODY TRADE POTENTIAL ALLSTAR FOR A GUY WHO DOESNT HAVE KNEES...
This is silly. The last I heard about Greg Oden, he wasn't even cleared for basketball activities yet.
Greg Oden is not worth any top 10 pick in a straight deal.
He's young but got Sam Bowie's knees man. I don't even know if he's worth a top 15 pick to be honest. Sorry, I like the guy but he's only reliable for 65 games at the most at this time...
You really think the fifteenth pick has more value than him? i mean he has the most potential of any center in the league (except for Drwight), if he reaches half of his potential hes still a 15 10 2.5 guy, and injuries are definitely a concern but, id take 65 games of Oden, over 82 games of whoever you can take with the fifteenth pick (especially if its Orton lol).
Greg Oden is not worth any top 10 pick in a straight deal.
He's young but got Sam Bowie's knees man.
Damn Portland has had some bad luck drafting big men. Bill Walton in the 70's, Sam Bowie in 1984 and Greg Oden in 2007. The first two had promising careers derailed by injuries and so far it's been the same for Oden. Lets just hope that he doesn't go down in history as the guy that was drafted over Kevin Durant.