What moves should the Pistons make?
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The Detroit Pistons, as projected this season, has not been a good team. They have two overpaid players in Charlie V and Ben Gordon (who has been producing effiently on the offense), a mediocre coach (Lawrence Frank) who if people forgot, led the New Jersey Nets to a 0-18 standing in the beginning of the 2009-2010 season, and a GM in former Piston Joe Dumars who in my humble opinion could be doing a much better job. However, with all the negative points, there is a positive aspesct. They have 3 players in Brandon Knight, Jonas Jerebko and Greg Monroe that are great building blocks for the teams future, ESPECIALLY Monroe (Averaging 17 and 10 per game so far). My question is where do the Pistons go from here? How do you think they build around their team? Should they try to trade some players for higher draft picks and reliable role players? What player should they try to snag in the upcoming draft (I personally suggest they try to get a C and move Monroe to the 4 position)? Is Lawrence Frank good enough to assist in the team's rebuilding process, or should they start looking for a new coach down the line? From the perspective of a true Pistons fan, is Dumars doing an admirable job as GM, and if not, how many more years do you give him before they pull the plug on his job? I'm highly curious of where this team is headed in the future because of the city of Detroit. A city that has not been in great shape on a financial standpoint due to lack of job opportunity and whatnot and I see the improvement of two of the city's sports teams (Detroit Lions and Detroit Tigers). So, with that said, the improvement of the Pistons and hopefully bring them back to some sort of relevance simlilar to their counterparts can and will definitely provide a sense of pride and hope to the Motor City. Thoughts?
Pistons needs to continue building their team thru the draft, their last 2 first round has been a hit so far (Monroe and Knight). They had 2 bad contracts (Villanueva and Gordon) and just added a pontentially disastrious one by overpaying Rodney Stuckey. 3 really dumb moves, but they seem to be good with scouting college players, so their just going to have to rebuild thru the draft, because they can't really sign a big time free agent with bad contracts they have.
mess is right they have to build through the draft not only because of the contracts but even with all its histrory Detroit has a team as a city is a shell of its former self and is a small market, this generation of players want to be in the glitzy and glamorous citys or to join up with other stars. So they need Monore to become a player that can draw in other stars, and I think he is very close to being that guy he makes players around him better with his great passing and his great work ethic.
I think they shouldve started in the past offseason by dealing Stuckey and Prince. Both great players but I think its time for a total change. Prince and Stuckey could really be huge factors elsewhere. Build off Monroe and Knight. Get ready to amnesty someone, like Gordon or Charlie V. Keep a solid veteran like Maxiel and give the youngsters like Jerebko and Daye a chance. They most certainly will get an excellent player in the draft.
They need to Build aroung Daye, Knight, Monroe and Singler.. every1 else cut
Gut the team.
Keep Monroe, maybe Daye. Everyone else is for sale.
They need to get rid of Gordon and Villanueva somehow. I think in the end they may have to let one of them walk and get nothing in return. Which may not be so bad considering what they have done with their enormously large contracts. Gordon is starting to do something this year but it is hardly enough to warrant his big paycheck, and Villanueva has been a big waste. Jerebko right now plays a lot like him but he's cheaper and more productive, so I'd keep Jerebko and let Villanueva walk when his contract is up. As for Gordon, I'd try and turn his contract into something good, by trading him to the Sixers.
A simple swap of Gordon for Iggy works financially. Detroit might need to add a future first rounder. (Maybe not of the 2012 draft but the 2013 draft instead.) (lottery protected of course) Knight is a good shoot first PG that has the makings of a very good defender. In more ways than one he is a lot like Billups or Jrue Holiday. Holiday has looked pretty good next to Iggy. But I think the reason why he has looked so good is because Iggy is a good passer just as much as he is a good scorer. The Sixers already have a future Iggy in Turner, and are only stunting his development by keeping Iggy. Once they get rid of Iggy then Turner will really be able to blossom. Iggy could do the same thing for Knight as a Piston as he has done with Holiday as a Sixer. If they just trade Gordon and a 2013 first rounder then they could use the 2012 draft on a good backup for Monroe since Wallace is on his way to retirement soon. That good backup could then be groomed under Maxiell, Wallace, and Monroe until he is ready to be paired with Monroe in the frontcourt (Meyers Leonard comes to mind)
The lineups for each team don't look too bad either: Piston Starters: Knight, Iggy, Prince, Jerebko, Monroe. Backups: Bynum, Stuckey, Daye, Maxiell/Villanueva, Wallace. Sixers Starters: Holiday, Gordon, Turner, Brand, Hawes. Backups: Lou Williams, Meeks, Thad. Young, Brackins, Vucevic. They may have to wait until the 2013 draft to get equal compensation for Iggy but I think they'll manage since they get to start Turner and minus the bad contract of Gordon, he's not a bad player to have. Besides receiving Iggy for Gordon and possibly drafting Leonard won't get the Pistons out of the lottery after just one year, so if my predictions are correct that 2013 draft pick should belong to the Sixers.
As for Coach Frank, I say you keep him and see what he can do. He was able to lead the Nets to the playoffs back when they had Kidd, VC, and Richard Jefferson. Knight, Iggy, and Prince are not by any means comparable to that combo but pair that with Monroe and you could form something special by 2014. By then Iggy's legs will probably not be able to keep up with him but having Stuckey as a backup could prove to be very useful as he too can pass, defend and score. Not as well as Iggy, but not too shabby either. And by 2014 they could find somebody to replace Iggy. Dumars isn't doing horrible as a GM either. He did excellent by drafting Monroe and Knight. He's not very good in free agency, but I think getting Iggy would really help this team in more ways than one and with Dumars' excellent ability to scout young talent through the draft, I'm sure he can find something useful in the 2012, and 2014 drafts if this trade does end up happening.
Pistons need to quit giving out bad contracts before anything.
1) Fire Joe Dumars. He lost his championship touch since trading away Chauncey Billups
2) Try to trade away the following players for young players/picks.
T. Prince - too old to build a team with, might as well leverage for rebuilding in a deal
Rodney Stuckey - he's not a PG and too short to play SG. He's best fit for a 6th man which he is now, but there is already an untradable 6th man in Ben Gordon, so Stuckey is expandable for young players/picks.
Ben Gordan and Charlie V are untradable contracts, so let's hope they would play harder to increase their trade values by end of the season.
Maxiell and Bynum don't have much values so keep them around as role players.
Build around Monroe, Knight, Jerebko, Daye. Pray for the #1 overall pick.
keep prince, keep jerebko, knight, monroe, daye, or even gordon
everyone else.... dismantle!!! i can go all day about what the pistons need to do...
see what works... and keep it... i like frank thou...
daye is by far the worst player on this team
The Pistons must continue to do what they have been doing which is LOSE. I hate seeing my team tank but that is the only way for them to get another big man to help Greg Monroe. The kid from Kentucky or Drummond from UConn is who am rooting for the Pistons to get in the draft. Stuckey is now the sixth man and Brandon Knight is starting, the run the offense thru Monroe so everything is in place for the Pistons to be a playoff team next year. This is a throwaway season which they desperately need.
I dont know if they will fire Dumars but he was looking like a genius up until he got rid of Billups. That should be a lesson to coaches and GM's. You just dont get rid of a leader like that. It was immediately evident too as Denver immediately became better and Detroit became worse.
a couple notes:
1) you cant just dump charlie villanueva on someone, hes making a lot of money and is known as a cancer, not 1 team wants to take on his contract let alone add his personality
2) paying rodney stuckey this offseason was the worst decision they could have made. you'd a thought that after 4 years of him leading a team that consistently loses, Dumars would have decided not to extend him... anyways, hopefully some GM around the league has a thing for stuckey and makes an offer for him in the offseason
3) they may have to get rid of jerebko in a package deal with gordon/villanueva/stuckey in order to get rid of 1 of them. usually, teams want a nice young piece with a small contract if they are going to endure a garbage one like villanueva's, gordon's or stuckey's
4) austin daye sucks and should be traded for a 2014 2nd round pick to some poor unsuspecting team, tayshaun prince should ask to be moved to a contender, wallace should retire, macklin should get more PT hes athletic and a good defender which jason maxiell is not
5) Dumars should be fired
I never understood the Stuckey re-sign. It was baffling to me because I really thought they wanted to get rid of him due to the clashes with his coaches and his inability to affect the win column. They couldve gotten pretty good value for him as well. Plus, they just used a lottery pick on another combo guard. That was just me thinking, I am not a GM.
Thinking from their perspective and why they would do this....he is young and he hasnt gotten worse, he still can develop. He hasnt had any continuity as far as coaching, and they didnt give him a 5 year deal. On top of that, outside of Monroe, he is their best player....so if you rebuild, you start around Monroe and Knight....while obtaining the services for 3 years of a young veteran who is still improving.
Just curious. What exactly do you not like about Austin Daye?
Can't say I've watched him play more than once or twice.
Austin Daye has regressed a lot this year... he is still a much much much better player than me, but he does not look like a pro when his shot is not falling..which is often..
Cant fix the pistons this year.. probably not the next unless they strike gold in the lottery(which isn't really a fix) so here it is: Trade Gordon to the Lakers for Mavs top 20 protected pick and Fisher maybe a second too (?) (lakers do this in a heartbeat as Gordon would give them sg depth and can play with kobe...final kobe title run?). Lakers can do it because of the Odom cap exception.. draft a PF with their almost garunteed lottery pick, hope that fisher can mentor the young talent they have before he retires. draft one of the big men (PJII, Robinson, Sullinger, Drummond, Davis) with their almost garunteed high lottery pick. hopefully, find a developmental prospect or solid bench rotation with the later pick. keep cap space open for 2013 and overpay for Monta Ellis (all evidence suggest he will he will be available if Curry can stay healthy) PG: Knight SG: Ellis SF: Prince: PF: abovementioned 2012 draft pick C: Monroe. Bench: Jerebko, Stuckey, Villanueva (if not amnestied), 2012 lakers pick via dallas and a likely 2013 lottery pick= playoffs in 2013-14 and a nice looking future
However, with Joe D's recent record they will most likely over pay for rotation players this offseason and continue to be mediocre...
Austin Daye was tearing it up in preseason looking like he would easily crack the rotation and get some decent minutes, what has happened?
Two words: Mass Euthanisations.
preseason doesnt mean jack shit
Yeah i know it was the preseason, but Daye was definately not as bad as what he is current playing, this is the worst he's probably ever looked in his career.
Rebuild through the draft is the only way. Amnesty Charlie V, he really hasn't played all year and he takes up 8 mil. in cap space. Rebuild with Knight, Monroe, Jerebko. Keep Bynum and Maxiell, they are good role players. Draft either Moultrie or Sullinger at the 7th or 8th pick. Trade Stuckey and Daye. Sign JR Smith in free agency so he bring back the bad-boy era to this Pistons, only if declines his option with the Knicks.