What kind of role will Gordon Hayward play for the Utah Jazz?
In his rookie year what kind of role do you think Gordon Hayward will play for the Utah Jazz? This year I think he is going to play the Kyle Korver role. Coming off the bench, playing 20-23 minutes per game, and averaging 12 PPG, 4 RPG, and 2 APG. Do you guys agree with me? I think he will be a Mike Miller type of guy in the NBA for the Jazz. Midway through the season I could see Hayward starting at the 2 or 3. Thoughts?
absolutly not...... i would be shocked if he ever averaged that 12 ppg...... he just doesnt have the tools to be that consistent!
A limited role. I expect 5 ppg, 3 rpg, and 2 apg in 15-17 mpg as a rookie. I also see him shooting in the low 40% range from the field. He's not ready to play much next year, I think he'll emerge in his 2nd or 3rd year.
Working the concession stands.
I could see him putting up 12-4-2 in his rookie season, but not in 20 minutes a game.
Lol, 12-4-2 is ALOT for a rookie of his caliber.
I think 7-9 is a good benchmark for him to be honest. He should really play like 17-20 mpg this year.
Yeah, you guys might be right. He will probably average around 9 PPG, 3 RPG, and 2 APG in 17-22 MPG. He might have a good enough season to be on All-Rookie 2nd Team.
Anyway I have an off topic question. Which player does Al Jefferson play like the most past or present?
I'd be surprised if he averages more than 15 mpg..... and would be equally surprised if he averaged more than 7 ppg... I think he will shoot a low FG% and might have a decent 3 point%
Which player does Al Jefferson play like the most past or present?
Moses played defense and way more rebounds
Jazz fans need a reality check.... Another reason to be excited for the season.
If Al Jefferson sees more double teams playing the 4, and playing alongside DWill
wings are sure too see a lot of touches...
also he plays for Jerry Sloan who has success playing guys with "limited tools to be consistent"...Hornacek, Stockton, etc all successful in his offense
Hayward will surely learns some crafty moves
Think the Jazz are going to be more free flowing than ever and fun for fans to watch.
I could see double digit scoring for Hayward.
I cannot believe he got picked top 10. That was soooo dumb. Im all for the guy, but I just dont see the upside that makes him worth risking the huge question marks I have about his game.
The Absolute best I could see him bieng is Matt Harpring or Mike Miller, and I consider that unlikely. Who is he going to guard? He is weak for any position in the NBA, a step slow at 2 guard, and would be fresh meat at the 3. Just for a minute picture Gordon Hayward matched up on Lebron, or Melo, or KD, or B Roy. It would be total annihalation.
But wait, he shot it 29 percent from 3 last year! Thats what his saving grace will be!
Shooters are very cheap in the NBA, and I dont see what else Hayward can end up bieng. He wont be able to slash, defend, or rebound on the same level with people bigger, stronger, and better than him. Adam Morrison was twice the player as Hayward at a similar age...just sayin
Utah Jazz: Gordon Hayward holds his own in summer league
He didn't set the world (or any LeBron James jerseys) on fire like New Jersey's Terrence Williams, who averaged 18.8 points per game.
But he didn't bomb, either, like Philadelphia's Evan Turner, who admittedly was horrible and looked more like a free agent contending for a contract in Europe than the No. 2 overall selection from the 2010 NBA Draft that he is.
But Gordon Hayward held his own here in Orlando, showing — at least in the minds of Jazz brass — that Utah's No. 9 pick in the June 24 draft should be just fine in due time.
"It's a slow process, and he's got to walk his way through it," Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor said at the end of the week. "But we were pleased. He showed he can play the game of basketball."
"He seems to be one of those guys that picks things up quickly," Jazz coach Jerry Sloan added. "We don't have to spend a lot of time going over stuff with him. And we're very happy with him as a person."
Sloan went one step further, and it was a giant leap indeed.
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"He's not a mistake-free player. This is a game of mistakes. He'll make a mistake here or there," the Jazz coach said. "But he just plays. He just plays basketball.
"We had another guy here years ago who did the same thing, and he ended up being a pretty good player — John Stockton," Sloan added. "I don't mean to put that kind of pressure on (Hayward), but he plays."
Funny coincidence: article says Hayward was booed on draft night. As was John Stockton
As long as his game and tricks of the trade continue to evolve he will be fine. People say His offensive awareness is that of a point guard.
"Just for a minute picture Gordon Hayward matched up on Lebron, or Melo, or KD, or B Roy. It would be total annihalation."
You could say that against a lot of guys even Evan Turner had the same wingspan as him.
Both are defensive liabilities so their teams will put them at the shooting guard where they at least have the height advantage.
76ers have Iguodala and Jazz have Kirilenko to defend SFs
I want to see him play in regular season b4 we call him a bust
Just because John Stockton got booed and was raw doesnt mean Hayward will be raw. I'm sure he will be a competent, average nba player, but I dont see him, with his build and style of play, bieng an impact player. Usually with a top 10 pick you try to get a guy who at least has that potential, but I dont see it.
BTW I have my suspicions Evan Turner might be a bust as well. Cousins is going to look REALLLY good in 5 years, Im not sure that Evan Turner is going to be the lead guard everybody expects. I kind of wonder if he is a step slow for the NBA game as well.
Lol @ Evan Turner will be a defensive liability. You must be sleepy right now smh
he can B solid but he doesnt have the length to be a difference maker on defense, I see him as needing the ball to be effective
drawing fouls on offense and such. He's not that great of an athlete
same thing was said on Brandon Roy who has the same length as him and is miles ahead in terms of experience defending NBA premier players
PS Evan Turner vs KD, Lebron, Anthony = bad look smh
at best he will be solid on shooting guards but he does not have the length to bother SFs, his defensive potential is limited by his 6'8 wingspan ala Roy
Weaknesses: Does everything very well but nothing out of this world ... On the small side. Lacks tremendous size and length at just 6-6 with a short wing span ... Lacks great body strength. His body is solid but not overpowering ... Foot speed and quickness is strong but wont stand out on the next level ... Defensively he is just average giving solid effort, but lacks the foot speed to be a lock down defender ... Roy
Nothing about Evan Turner's defense suggests he will be a liability. It's one of his strengths....He does need the ball to be effective, but that has nothing to do with him being a "defensive liability." It doesn't matter that he can't guard SF's as good as SG's, since he'll play SG like 85% of the time. And the other 15% will probably be on PG's. That's not a problem. He has some things he needs to improve on offensively in terms of how to operate, but defense isn't a worry. Don't overanalyze it. He might not have the length to get steals, but he denies penetration well and is aggressive on the ball. I'd much rather have a strong on-ball defender who doesn't get a bunch of steals over a guy who struggles on the ball and does get a good deal of steals.
Evan Turner will not be a worthy #2 pick by any stretch, but he will be a solid player eventually, it will take time. Hayward will be a decent player, somewhere in between Mike Miller and Korver...he's nowhere near the player Mike Miller is, but eventually I could see him find a spot where he will make an impact...
And some people are overrating defense, there are 5 guys on the court, if one guy doesn't play the best defense, there's always guys waiting behind him. Korver doesn't play outstanding defense, and he's made a pretty decent career out of what he CAN do...
Its hard to say how good he'll be his rookie year. I dont see him getting very many minutes early in the season. But with C.J. Miles and Raja Bell getting minutes and the 2 and A.K. at the 3, he probably will get a look sooner than later. Dont call him a bust already just because he isn't the most athletic player. He has solid fundamentals, a good BB IQ, and has the right attitude necessary for a young player to get better. His game should fit Utah's system perfect. I dont think anyone will be mad if he turns into the next Mike Miller.
John Stockton was picked and played well but that was a long time ago. I don't think Gordon will get the same opportunity to shine but I will say this. Utah kept Matt Harpring around even after he fell off so maybe Utah is a place that will give Gordon a chance to develop and be a player. There is so much talent at the small forward position that he may be hard for them to keep him around unless he produces very quickly. I still see him as a role player but I think if he can play smart and just play his role he can stick around but I doubt he shows he was worth a top 10 pick.
I'm not sure he'd play enough minutes to get 12ppg but I could 5 or 6 points and show some flashes.
Hayward could be like Deron Williams when he was drafted over Chris Paul everyone doubted the selection especiallly after Chris Paul play aamzing and won rookie of the year while Deron struggled to adjust but now most people will say that Deron is better when after his first year he was written off as a bust. I belive that once he understands the Utah system and gets used to the NBa he will be a solid contributer. The Jazz front office knows there stuff when drafting
I dont know why people were so high on this guy I think him as a lottery pick was a stretch I wouldve drafted him late in the 1st round im not really sold on him his jump shot is not consistent enough for me and his defense is pretty bad i dont think he can guard some of the quicker guards in the league but i see him averaging about 5 ppg and shooting around 40% his rookie year. If you look at his stats for the last year he only averaged 15ppg in 33 mins and he was the star player on the team and his career average was only 14 so why would anyone think that he would average 12 ppg when he barely did it in college.
I'm going to assume that you didn't watch any Butler games the past couple of seasons and that you're just looking at statistics.
Butler's offense isn't a high scoring offense. It never has been. They play a slow/grind it out half-court game and try to lower the amount of possessions... They keep the score low and play lockdown defense. They've played the game that way for the past 15-20 years. They've also never catered to one player... It's always about the team. That's the reason Hayward didn't average a ton of points or shots, not because he couldn't.
That was a good post with the Jerry Sloan quotes. He said it perfectly. Hayward just plays basketball. He's going to be a good player for the Jazz. I can't see him averaging double figure points this season, but he's definitely going to play and make a contribution.
@ IndianaBasketball Actually I watch a lot of butler games i bet on basketball so i pretty much follow all the conferences and teams and I know the kind of offense they play I just dont see him being much of an impact player in his rookie year the question was do i think he will average 12 points this year and i dont think so.
pretty high standards 4 this season
he didnt even average 12 in th esummer league
I tend to agree with JNixon-Iggy9, he'll need one year to adjust to the NBA as he waits for his body to mature and get stronger. Having said that, it simply amazes me that people completely ignore the fact that he was far and away the leading rebounder for Butler. Come on, this guy's tougher than most people think.
If Jefferson can deliver down low, Utah will have a situation very similar to Orlando where the other 4 guys will have great shot opportunities. If that happens, it bodes well for Hayward and his teammates.
John Stockton didn't start full-time until his 4th year in the league, Utah gives guys a chance more than any team in the league
John Stockton didn't start full-time until his 4th year in the league, Utah gives guys a chance more than any team in the league
HE WILL GIVE THEM SPACING 4SURE 9PPG-3REB ROOKIE YEAR
He needs to work on his outside shot, he has good mechanics and mid range game, but I think he'd be a much more effective player with a good 3 point shot. Korver and Mathews are gone so there are minutes to be had, I bet he puts up around 7 ppg 3rpg and .8 steals or something like that. He isn't going to do that out of the gate either, I think he'll be a rookie who you judge his rookie season by how he is playing in March compared to November, not how he comes out of the gate nor his season as a whole. I don't think he'll make an all-star game, but I think he could be a very good role player who can do a bit of everything.