What the hell is memphis thinking because they just killed their chances to be successful in the Playoffs
With rudy gaye as their small forward. Memphis in my opinion arguebly had the best front court in the NBA with Marc Casol playing center and Zach Randolph playing power forward. Also rudy was a much needed tremendously gifted scoring threat on the perimeter. He has a offensive skill set that allows him to score from anywhere on the basketball court combined with elite level athleticism that makes him ultimately become a player that's very hard to defend. Yes rudy gaye is overpaid, yes rudy gaye is a one dimensional basketball player. But the reality is that rudy gaye is a very talented player, who provided memphis with a balanced team offensive attack against tough team defense, and also rudy was able to match up well against the best small forwards in the league. In my opinion memphis just became a very average team in the western conference. And if you were going to trade rudy gaye, then they should have kept oj mayo who would have easily provided a decent amount of perimeter scoring.
Didn't they upset San Antonio and put up a good fight with OKC while Rudy Gay was hurt 2 years ago? Rudy is a very inneficient scorer as he is 27th in scoring efficiency out of all small forwards.
Rudy gaye has elite level scoring and physical tools. And the young man can get 20 to 25 points in his sleep. It's takes a big time fool not to recognize how talented rudy gaye is. I'm not even a big time rudy gaye fan, but I can easily humble myself when it comes to recognizing how tremendously talented rudy gaye is. Rudy posesses the talent level that allows him to be as great as he want's to be. A success level which is mostly dependent on how hard rudy is willing to work inorder to be great.
I'm a realist and so what Gay has all of these physical tools, he's still an inefficient scorer. He hasn't added anything new to his game as he's been the exact same player for the last 3 years. To be so athletic and big he settled for too many jumpers
Sometimes is not about what a player can't do, but about what a player can do to consistently give his team a chance to compete at a very high level. Rudy gaye's role on memphis was to be a talented scorer, who could be a go-to scoring threat in late game situations, who could also play solid team defense and be a solid playmaker and decision maker when needed. And I think rudy did a great job of playing the role he was asked to play for memphis. He wasn't asked to be the next scottie pippen because he's not that type of player. Memphis had something special going with the players they had on their roster. Especially last year. When Mike Conley was consistently giving them great point guard play, when oj mayo and rudy gaye was consistently giving them great perimeter scoring, when tony allen and quincy pondexter was cosistently giving them great perimeter defenders, and when marc gasol, zach randolph, maurice speights, and dante cunningham was consitently giving them great low post scoring, rebounding, and team defensive play. Now it just seems like memphis is going in the wrong direction. And it is now very intersting to me to see how memphis will be able to consistently compete with the best teams in the western conference
I do agree that Gay doesn't really fit with Memphis anymore, but they aren't contenders without him. They needed to find a way to blend their talents together if they wanted to get to the next level.
And it's easy to pick out this season's numbers and say Rudy is an inefficient scorer, but before this season, he was as efficient as they come when they aren't named LeBron James.
It hurts to see a team like Memphis make a move like this strictly to cut costs and basically give up on trying to win a championship...I really would have liked to see them make a run in the playoffs.
Zach Randolph now is the undisputed guy on offense and his numbers will climb back to that 20ppg range with Gay gone. They also have 2 very scary wing defenders in Allen and Prince who will cause havoc for any opposition, not too mention in Prince they get a guy who has been there and done that (with the ring to prove it). He is a good spot up shooter so can still space the floor for Gasol and Randolph.
This team make-up had a really good run when Gay was injured and now they have Prince who is the ultimate glue-guy (IMO) to help this team along.
Ed Davis is a great acquisition to me as he has proven to be a legit option as a starting PF and now has the chance to learn from Randolph to develop his game. He may not make an immediate impact, however he contract is cheap and he will be useful for them.
Don't let stats fool you. Although Gay put up good numbers he didn't make his team much better. Prince is a crafty vet who will give you a bit of everything that you need. The guy has a great wingspan and is a good defender. He can also play point forward and is way unselfish compared to Gay.
Ed Davis will be a solid player - Great move by the Grizz and also saving cash aswell
All Prince has to do is provide better defense than Gay(which shouldn't be to hard) and hit the open three to keep the floor spaced, and this trade actually works out better for Memphis. You now have Darrell Arthur and Ed Davis bringing energy and athleticism off of the bench. Tayshaun can do some playmaking in the half court setting, and he can maybe be a great defender once again. This works out perfectly for Memphis, it's an addition by subtraction, Gay and Randolph made each other less efficient.
I agree. All Prince will be asked to do is shoot the open threes and defend (maybe not elite any more). Anyway... the Grizzlies are getting a lineup with great perimeter defense with Prince and Allen.
I think they may have just increased their chances this year by getting Prince....for all the reasons stated above. He can guard anyone and is a better spot up shooter than gay...we'll see but looks like a good trade to me..
This is like getting rid of Joe Johnson's contract almost. Very similar, max deals to guys who are not max deals players and are high volume shooters, ball stoppers, and inefficient scorers. To get that deal of the books is amazing. Addition by subtraction. Now they can have their offense go through the best frontcourt in the league with Randolph/Gasol, let Conley create for others, and share the ball, and no Gay ISO. Gay didn't show up on the defensive end every possession and they should be better a team defensive with Prince. They will probably not get past SA or OKC but they would give Miami problems in the Finals with the two bigs.
Atlanta got better, didn't Memphis? Short-term, due to playing more team oriented basketball, and more so long-term, due to cap savings.
Helps now and in the future. They got better IMO.
who do you memphis fans think is going to be the go to guy in the final seconds of a game??
and i wonder how this toronto fan is feeling now!!! hahaha!!
When he heard the news:
"YEAH!! YEAH!! We got this guy!! FU-CKING RUDY GAY MAN!! RUDY GAY!!"
I remember that game,i saw it live!!! lol..^^^^..I wonder have anyone interviewed that guy in that youtube clip,since Rudy Gay's trade to the raptors?
I just don't see this trade making Memphis better at all, and I don't think they are attempting to get better by making the trade.
They'll try to argue to fans that Rudy Gay is inefficient and Tayshaun Prince is a good shooter and defender...Gay is struggling shooting the ball for the first time in his career and Prince is shooting the ball well for the first time in a few years.
I'd be willing to bet that Prince will shoot much worse post-trade and Gay will shoot much better than their current numbers.
And Tayshaun Prince WAS a great defender. He's no longer any better a defender than Rudy Gay.
And while I like Ed Davis, he isn't going to do much for them unless they decide to trade Randolph or Gasol "to save more money".
They got better defensively but that was already one of their strengths. There weakness was perimeter scoring and they got much worse in that department trading Gay. They now have to rely on Conley Jr at the end of games to create shots for himself and for others. I don't think that is a recipe for success deep in the playoffs. Other teams they are competing against have guys like Durant and Westbrook, Parker and Ginobli, and CP3 and Jamal Crawford. All 6 of those guys are better shot creators at the end of games than anybody Memphis has left on its roster. At least with Rudy Gay they had someone who could compete with these types of players on the offensive end. The team they have no will be in a lot of games but I am afraid they have nobody to close them out anymore.
Gay just won the game monday against the Sixers with an offensive rebound and putback for the game. He is pretty much the only Grizzlies player I can recall making a buzzer beater over the last 5 seasons. I am sure there are some other ones and I don't watch a ton of the Grizz but from what I have seen they are no better today than they were yesterday.
They are thinking about the bottom line. That is all. The Grizz have been making playoff runs the past few years and they're still bleeding money. They unloaded Gay's contract, didn't lose much production and fortified their bench.
They'll still be able to make the playoffs this yr while gaining more long term financial flexibility. The Grizz have also proven that they can be just as effective without Gay. Rudy was given his contract because they believed that he'd be able to continue to improve. He didn't and hasn't even come close to playing up to his contract's value, This move isn't that much different than the Hawks getting rid of Joe Johnson, except the Grizz got a better haul in return,
Grizzlies are still good.... Gay didnt live up to his salary. Gay was very inefficient. Grizzlies got what they wanted. Grizzlies got better DEFENSIVELY... However, they didnt improve their chances at a championship. Z-Bo and Gasol- shots go up. Conley, Allen, and Prince are not real offensive threats. They cant go and get a bucket on their own. Daye may be able to do it, in a couple years. Davis is basically the same player as Arthur but cant shoot it as well. Who can really go one on one and get a bucket? Z-Bo and Gasol... Trust me, THEY WILL DEFINITELY MISS RUDY GAY.
P.S. You cant always look at numbers... If you you saw the Celtics' production ratings ans charts with Rondo on and off the floor, you'd see a big difference favoring the conclusion that they are MUCH better without Rajon Rondo.
BUT WE ALL KNOW, THAT'S A LIE!
They did not kill their chances because their chances did not rest on Gay. Gay is not a superstar. He has not been part of a single playoff series win in his career. They did not trade away a guy with a history of taking over in the playoffs. Gay actually shot them out of several games in the Clippers series.
A player who is average on the boards, below-average in playmaking, below-average in terms of offensive efficiency and so-so on defense is not a big difference maker.
I really liked what Memphis accomplished. They got their financial goals accomplished without hurting their short or long term prospects. Prince should help make up for Gay's loss and Davis is a really nice young power forward whose improvements have his prospects looking up and up. Davis should help this season and he can replace Randolph in a few seasons.
thats all they reallly care about. New ownership making their business plan work.
All that aside I think it will really hurt them in the playoffs tbh. Unless Daye and
Prince start knocking down shots from deep all youll have is more defensive help/pressure on the 'twin towers' lol. As inefficient as Gay was he had to be guarded at all times.
So now the big man game that Hollins lives by us in full efffect. They got rid of Mayo now Gay. Time will tell
Ownership know its not a championsh team so i understand why they wouldnt want to pay championship payroll
Unless Jerryd Bayless turns into a Jason Terry type bench scorer then I think this hurts Memphis' chance to compete for a title. As inefficient as he was, he was the one guy you could give the ball to on the perimeter on that team and make his own shot. That is very important. So if Jerryd Bayless steps up then maybe this flies but I'm not counting on it. I understand the move and think making it now and getting Tayshaun will keep the rumblings down but this trade could have been made after they tried to make a run this year. They could have moved Gay in the offseason for a good pick and player(Ex- Suns pick from Lakers and Dudley< Just an example, not saying it's an even trade. It's just to get the point across).
They gave Gay a ridiculous contract and he has yet to prove he even deserved it, if anything his game has actually regressed since receiving it. I was not a fan of this trade at first, but the more I thought about it, it makes sense. Financially moving forward with the new rules coming into play gradually through the next few years, the Grizzlies as a small market team could not keep Gay as well as Gasol, Conley and Randolph. Randolph has proven to be a go to guy in the Playoffs and has shown he can produce consistently and elevate his game to help his team win, Conley has become a solid starting point guard who can hit jump shots and play good defense. Gasol anchors one of the top 5 defenses in the NBA and plays excellent defense, has a nice set of post moves and is relentless on the boards. Gay is the odd man out, he is lackadaisical at times in the game, his shooting numbers are piss poor, his defense is too wishy washy, and he hasn't really provided too much to them, so the smart thing to do would be to find some sub par team (Toronto) thinking he will change their franchise and would take on his horrendous contract, which worked and now the Grizzlies have a solid veteran in Prince who is in the last year of his contract and a young PF in Davis who can come off the bench and provide decent minutes. They may not necessarily be contenders but if they can play lock down defense come playoffs and get more flow in their offense, this team is definitely a Dark Horse