What happens if the knicks start loosing when Amare returns?
Undefeated right now with Amare off the line up. When he comes back and starts for the Knicks, if they struggle do you think he will be traded or brought off the bench?
ESPN will go crazy with headlines.
He won't get traded because nobody else is going to take on that contract.
Well Amare might be average like last year but for knicks fans i hope he really improved his post game with hakeem to make him a real threat down low cause hes not going to get those easy dunks as often without Nash, so thats how he'll get his points
If the Knicks keep spacing the floor the way they have he'll have space to opperate down low but I still think his best days are behind him.
The man still averaged 17.5pts and 8 boards on 48.3% shooting with his lowest mpg since his rookie year. He still can be a force on this offense with the trio of point guards on this roster. Just because he has regressed and is not worth MAX money does not mean he can't help improve this squad and help them be true contenders. I think Mike Woodson will be smart and use him off the bench at least initially and limit situations on the court for him where his atrocious defense because a main concern. Who knows, maybe Mike Woodson will demand Amare to play at least a little D to point where he's only slightly below avergae n rub off from play of the other tough bigs on this roster and Melo's aspiring play as of late
Well there are two problems. First, the Knicks have two guys who can't keep this up. JR Smith and Kidd's 3PT shooting just can't stay at this level. I say that because no one has ever shot the ball from 3 this much per game and at this high a percentage. So they have to come back down to earth and it won't be Amare's fault it will be just regression to the mean. Kidd in particular has a TS% of 79%. First, that would probably lead the league, even better than Chandler, second guards generally shoot way lower than Centers and PFs and 2Gs generally shoot the lowest percentage, so this is insane shooting percentage from basically your 2G.
Second, I think Amare starts, pushing Melo to SF. This makes Melo worse and Amare becomes the weakest starter. Woodson didn't show the ability to limit Amare's minutes last year, so I don't know if he can do it this year. Remember, there was a serious win streak last year, the Linsanity run, while Amare was on the bench, and he still came back and was put into playing heavy minutes when he was healthy.
Good input. I guess even with Amare starting., Woodson could at least adjust line-ups during games to keep the Melo and STAT off court together for a good chunk. Have one guy on court at all times and rest the other in stretches. Between the trio of Melo, JR, and STAT this team has individual firepower on offense and legit trio of pgs to keep them modest to ensure they dont become clogs on offense. I fully expect 3pt shooting % to decrease as you said but as long as ball movement is there, they should be a top 5 team on offense even with their ages up there. Iman Shumpert will be a huge addition as well as season progresses so lets not forget about that. Even though I fully expect MIA to come out east relatively easy, I feel NY and BOS are only teams that match up right to at least make them break one sweat. I sure hope NY shows great team chemistry just for sake of parody in this league. It would make playoffs that much more interesting.
honestly, i think playing with felton again will help.
before the knicks traded him in the melo deal, he did good.
also to soto u said "Remember, there was a serious win streak last year, the Linsanity run, while Amare was on the bench"
also remember that when they got carmelo, billups got injured and their pg was anthony carter... i think a lot of that streak had to do with a decent player runnin the show. it definately helps to have a good pg when runnin the knicks offense.
Someone on hoopsworld said Amare would be willing to come off the bench. It seems like that might be the best option because Melo has been tearing it up at the 4.
I was curious so I looked it up. Kidd's offense rating is 161 (Orating is basically points per 100 possessions, which is about a typical NBA game). So basically if the entire team were playing at Kidd's offensive efficiency, the Knicks would be averaging about 161 points per game. I guess that is what you get when you are shooting 80% from 2s and 50% from 3s. JR Smith's rating is 121. Unless both guys have just transformed their game (and in Kidd's case into something the league has never seen before), this can't continue. And it won't be because Amare starts playing again, though he might get blamed.
And for the true stat nerds, Kidd's Win Produced number is 0.637. In that stat system, generally 200s is very good, 300s is elite. A 637 is basically equivalent of having Durant and Lebron on the same team. Just talking about efficiency of plays he uses, so not really saying that Kidd is duplicating what Durant and Lebron together would bring to a team. But just pointing out that on an efficiency stat level, Kidd is putting up numbers that no one has ever kept up for a significant period of time. This is weirder than Lin's Linsanity stats. It can't continue.
John Hollinger mentioned in his writeup about the Knicks that Carmelo averages a 30 PER as a PF but only a 15 PER as a SF. That's ridiculous. Carmelo would need to improve his 3pt % to be an effective SF, and this doesn't seem to be happening. It'd be a shame if Amare gets inserted back in the starting lineup when it clearly makes the team worse.
"Carmelo averages a 30 PER as a PF but only a 15 PER as a SF"