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What happened to the Marcus Smart buzz?

Not bashing him or anything but what happened to everyone raving about him?

Is he still the #1 PG in this class to you?

Is he still top 5 material?


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He's shown to be an

He's shown to be an inefficient scorer (36% FG), but he does everything else well (passing, defense, rebounding). He looks more like a role player/glue guy and you have to ask yourself if that's worthy of a lottery selection. I still see him as a top 20 prospect just because he brings a lot of intangibles and versatility.

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He's not a top 5 talent and

He's not a top 5 talent and never should've been placed there.
I don't think his value should fluctuate with his stats either since his greatest attributes are his defense and intangibles. Those will always remain constant. Maybe he does project to be a role player type of guy, but there are different levels of role players. Culture changing role players are still highly valued. Just look at where MKG was taken last year.

I currently have him as the first PG taken off the board, not because I think he's the best PG prospect, but because he has the best physical tools (combined with his super intangibles). If I were looking for the best PG in the draft, I'd probably look elsewhere, but physical tools seem to trump ability, which IMO shouldn't be the case at the PG position.

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You see this is the conumdrum

You see this is the conumdrum that had me saying Smart is top 5 because I too think he should mostlikely be the first PG taken and im expecting a team to need one in the 4-7 range. If Smart could shoot hed be in the top 3, but I didnt realize how bad a shootet he is but that can be fixed hes a freshman. Physically he can start at either guard spot right now in the league. He would play well alongsice a score first PG or could be groomed to run the show. Reminds me of Eric Snow on steroids in a way. I question his ceiling tho.

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Ive seen OSU twice this year,

Ive seen OSU twice this year, and I was not impressed, at all. His shot selection is awful and I can see the appeal in a guy who can both rebound and distribute at the guard position, but wow. He is a chucker, if I've ever seen one. He reminds me of a big Tommy Mason-Griffin.

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Eh, I wouldn't classify him

Eh, I wouldn't classify him as a chucker. The guy was the MVP for the USA U18 team this summer and he was 6th on the team in shot attempts. Normally, he doesn't go shot hunting. That's not his game.
I think his problem is that skill-wise he's not there yet. His shot looks fine from a technique standpoint, but he's not a good shooter yet and his handle isn't all that great either. With him having the ball in his hands a lot, that could lead to some tough shots for him. He also played multiple positions in HS. This is basically his first yr being a full-time point, so I expected an adjustment period.

I don't see the TMG comparison at all.

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Maybe I caught the wrong

Maybe I caught the wrong games, like I said, I'm not super familiar with him. He just looked sloppy, driving out of control, and when he did shoot jumpers they were off. The TMG comparison may have been a bit harsh, but needless to say, from what I've seen, he looked like a guy you take in the mid-teens and hope he can figure out his game.

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I ultimately think he will be

I ultimately think he will be a combo guard in the league but play at the 2. I love his intangibles as everyone else is saying, that being his strength, athleticism, defense, rebounding, passing, he can attack the basket, but really he has no jumper whatsoever,

On the offensive end, he's pretty much Tyreke Evans,(not as talented) now he can get a jumpshot, just like MKG, it'll need work but it may get there one day.

If I were a GM. I'd pick him in the 8-18 range. He's pretty much this years Tony Wroten, but his big games, and his team probably going farther will help him, and not drop him. I also think he's a better shooter than he shows. His mechanics aren't super bad, I think his thing is just reps. He needs to shoot the same every time, and slow down. He tries to do that Westbrook Steph Curry midrange jumper and he's off balance every time.

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If I were looking for a PG

I'm trying to get Michael Carter Williams all day over Smart. MCW is a better distributor, shooter, has better quickness, and ball handling. The only thing Smart has on him is strength and a bulldog mentality.

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That makes sense since MCW is

That makes sense since MCW is a Soph. But you're tune would have been differ last year when he was a freshman just like Marcus Smart

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I haven't seen anyone say

I haven't seen anyone say this but he kind of reminds me of Terrence Williams. Hopefully he can become the player that Williams could have become.

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I think I liked him so much was because I saw some

Jrue Holiday in him. Its a long stretch, a very long one I know but Holiday's jumper wasn't were it is now at UCLA. His one year there he averaged 8, 4, 4, and then only 8 points a game in his rookie campaign. Smart is little more of a point guard then Jrue. He is at 12, 6, 5 and his better games came against the better the team OK State played so far this year. He needs time to develop but I think he will be a top 12 pick by years end regardless of that 36% shooting percentage. I will say I haven't seen him play in weeks also so but he has that rare Westbrook>Holiday>Smart elite intensity, that I'm a real big fan of.

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I'd say the exact opposite.

I'd say the exact opposite. Jrue was more of a PG as a freshman than Smart is now IMO. Jrue just wasn't allowed to play the position. He had the instincts, skill and playmaking ability coming out of HS. To me the difference in skill level and playmaking ability off the bounce makes Jrue more of a PG than Smart at the stage.

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To me he is a better passer than Jrue

He has a great "look". That ability to pass people open not just pass to the open guy. Also he seems patient at times which is a plus because he can turn it up also and play off emotion and will. I thought Jrue, even in the League now could do more slashing off the ball and is more of a combo guard that is good either at the point or 2. Holiday can be effective even if the ball is in Turners hands. I think Smart is really only a point guard.

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I think Smart's game could

I think Smart's game could function well at either guard position. Offensively, I wouldn't classify him as either a SG or a PG because he lacks some of the requisite skills associated with either position. To me he's just a guard. He's not a guy who needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective. He can make the same plays and passes whether he brings the ball up or not. That's how he played in HS. Offensively he was less of a scorer/pure point and more of a utility guy/playmaker. His game in HS was more similar to an Andre Iguodala's than a PGs.

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We really sort of agree

I don't think he has to bring the ball up but he is the guy that's makes the pass to really start a play or find the open guy. He isn't the finisher. I'm watching them play the Zags right now, just started, so it will be interesting. Like I said haven't seen him since those first few games and looking forward to it. I always felt Iggy was the point guard or really the lead distributor in Philly. To me those 2 things are synonymous,(lead distributor and pg) outside of an offense designed for a big passing from the high post. Fran just said we are not anointing him as bona fide pro prospect that high on the board just yet. He already has a couple turnovers. He could be a shooting guard on a team with a excellent scoring point guard and there are a lot of those now. Regardless of where he is drafted I think he will end up after his rookie deal as a top 8 player from that draft. I label a point guard also because he is more effective taking less that 12 shots a game and that will probably the case the next 3 or so years. The pg position has evolved in the League but not me. Like when Harden was in OKC and was the primary ball handler and distributor when he was in the game. He was then the point.

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i would take mcw over smart

i would take mcw over smart as well but marcus smart is still IMO an elite prospect, i mean i remember against nc state he just looked like the best player in the country. now granted cj leslie had fouled out, him and lebryan nash put on an absolute show. Hes still gonna be a lottery pick

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He's looking good against the

He's looking good against the Zags. When he's on, I see where the top 10 buzz came from. He still needs to be more consistent, but looking good against a good team.

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