What is with everyone saying Andre Drummond is gonns suck?
I 've noticed alot of people have Drummond going 6th or below in their mock drafts. What's with all the hating? I realize he didn't have a great season at Uconn, but I think you need to know a few a things about that season before you hate on him.
- He didn't declare for the 2011 class until very late. He was originally considered a 2013 draft pick. He declared late for the 2011 class so this time last year he had just barely decided to go to Uconn. Which means that when he declared for the 2011 class, most high school graduates of that year had already decided on which school to go to while he had just barely started the process. Most college teams if not all, had their teams ready as well as playbooks. Uconn had to drop a scholarship in order to provide room for him.
- This means that most plays were not ran through him, like they should have been. Knowing that, the fact that he averaged 12pts a game with 6boards is amazing, considering that pretty much no plays were ran for him.
- Just look at his measurements:6'11, 279lbs, 31.5 no-step vert, 33.5 max vert, 10 bench, 10.83 lane agility, 3.39 sprint. Those are astounding numbers for a big man. Most big man with those measurements go pretty high, I mean like top 3 worthy. NBA GM's and scouts rank size high. Size matters.
- Some say that he's the next Kwame Brown. I say how do you know that? Sure you may have seen him play and weren't impressed, but knowing that he practically had no plays ran for him at Uconn, what else do you expect? Again the fact that he averaged what he did with little to no plays ran for him is pretty darn good. When Kwame Brown was drafted, every team thought he would be the next KG, so he was expected to go #1. No one knew he would be what he is today. Same with Drummond. Some say he's the Kwame Brown, and some, like me, say he could surprise you.
- When analyzing a player like Drummond you have to remember that he didn't have much college experience because he declared for the 2011 class so late. You have to treat him like he just came out of high school, and all we have of him is what he did there. His college stats are basically out of consideration because of the situation he was in. Imagine if this draft allowed high school seniors to come out, where would Nerlens Noel go? What about Steven Adams? I'm betting pretty high, because all scouts are expecting big things from these players. Same with Drummond, when he was a high school senior. Scouts expected big things from him. It's not like he's been in college for a long time, he's just a freshman, he wasn't even expected to declare for this draft. He was expected to be in the 2013 or later draft. Instead he declared early with the 2011 class.
Please realize these things when deciding where to place Drummond. His college stats really don't matter because very few plays were ran for him. His measurements as well as what was expected of him coming out of high school will matter big time.
i havent heard anyone say that..
Let me start by saying I'm high on Drummond and think he's going to be very good. But he is a risk. The people who have him going 6th use very logical reasoning. He didn't have a steller college career (for whatever reason) where he shot %28 from the FT line. Yes, he has all the tools to become a superstar. But a lot of people with great physical tools and potential have failed. So he's risky, whereas guys like Davis, Robinson, MKG, Beal, and Barnes are much less risky and still have a lot of upside.
I haven't heard anyone say he's gonna suck...but I think everyone is a little concerned. What's great about Drummond is he averaged 10 points, 8 boards and 2.5 blocks despite usually looking lost on both ends of the floor; that demonstrates that on physicality alone, he can put up numbers.
But there are many red flags. He was the worst FT shooter in college. Most of his baskets were dunks. His motor is beyond questionable (it's a veritable mystery) and everyone is questioning, with good reason, whether or not what he has what it takes not only to be a dominant center, but to stick as a starter...and we're talking about a top-6 lock here. To put this into perspective so far, I think that if he matched up against the 6-8 Kenneth Faried in an NBA game in the middle of next season, Faried would put up 15 & 12 while Drummond struggles with foul trouble and looks frustrated by way of not getting to consistently dunk over people.
He has been saying all the right things in interviews, but what's he going to say, "Yeah, I don't know if I have what it takes?" The dude is in a position to make tens of millions of dollars so obviously he's going say he's a huge competitor who's misunderstood because he "smiles a lot," but he's yet to prove anything as far as I'm concerned and I think he'll need a whole lot of ass-kicking to become the dominant C that he can be. But, then again, some people just don't have the gene, and even with MJ pushing them a la Kwame, they don't have the desire to put it together. The prevailing notion is that Dwight Howard, whose vitals are even inferior to Drummond's, was an absolute animal as a teenager and promised to bring that energy straight to the pros. I am not sold on Drummond at all in that sense. I don't think he has what it takes to give 38 minutes a night on both ends, focusing intensely every possession and trying to murder his opponent in the post, as Dwight and Amare do.
Now, THAT said, in the right environment, regardless of whether or not he possesses that killer instinct (plenty of successful players don't), he could put up all-star numbers....but then I guess, going by Hibbert's numbers, 13-9-2 would qualify. Still, I think he will put up those numbers, and yes, his ceiling is 23-13-3.5, but that's less likely than 11.5-8.2-1.8.
I didn't really reach any conclusions there, but with Drummond, there are certainly no conclusions to be reached at this point.
It's hard to predict how Drummond will be, but there is a lot of uncertainty around him and Perry Jones because of their inconsistent play at the college level despite having the physical tools to dominate. I think both of their inconsistencies will cost them in their draft position, but I doubt it will be too significant. Their physical tools and size are too great to slip too far. Think about it, stiffs like Jason Collier(RIP) and Joel Pryzbilla went in the lottery merely thanks to their size so I doubt Drummond and Jones fall too far.
I think he will have a similar rookie year to Enes Katner...who happens to be your avatar. He can be good but needs to develop
...I simply think he's a bit of a risk, given what he showed in his freshman year.
Even if he does pan out, it could take 4 or 5 years. I don't think many team in the top 6 can wait that long.
I was down on him at first, but I'm starting to come around on him. I don't think UCONN was a good situation for him. He played w/ incompetent teammates that couldn't find him in open spots. And people seem to forget that he's only 18. Most of the other big men in this draft who are older and have more experience like T-Rob, Zeller, and Fab Melo weren't world-beaters as Fr. either, and Drummond had better freshmen seasons than all of them.
I hope my Wizards draft him or Barnes.
And Drummond's stock is not falling. That is false.
You may be a little late because I have heard that Drummonds stock is actually moving up because a lot of people who had him at 6 or thinking he could go 2 or 3. I will say early buzz was that he could be a bust. I think you have to look at a lot of factors to why Kwame was a bust. None of those factors is similiar to Drummonds. Kwame is talented defensive but offensive he is terrible. A lot has to do with his confidence. Drummonds does not have the same mentality as Kwame. I will say this Perry Jones has more of a Kwame mind set which is why it is good he did two years in college because dude even admitted that he ha confidence issues. Drummonds does not appear to have that. Also Drummonds seems to have a decent basketball IQ and I think he could be more in how Favors is doing than Kwame or Thabeet. Thabeet actually was in college for a while but he is just not that good. I think Thabeet may wind up being a decent defensive big man but Thabeet did not have an NBA body but Drummonds at 19 does.
All the prospects in the draft have major questions surrounding their game.
MKG -The cons: he can't shot the ball, can he score against NBA level defense or can he guard bigger and stronger small fowards. -The pros: Great motor, leader, winner, Hardwork
Thomas Robinson- The cons: Can he score against taller, quicker and stronger post players,can he make the 15ft jump shot, and is upside - The pros: He can rebound, play defense, leadership, athletic, NBA ready
Bradley Beal- The cons: Can he create his own shot, can he defend bigger SG's- The pros: He is a great shooter and he is an athletic
Andre Drummond- The Cons: No real offensive game, his motor- The pros: he can play defense, block shots, rebound, athletic freak, A world of potential.
If i was the bobcats I would hire the best shooting and low post coach and draft drummond and give my coaching staff a year or two to develop him, like the lakers did with bynum. I think the bobcats are three years away from competing for the playoffs anyway
Ive been negged numorous times everytime i rasie concerns with him. I think for a second or third pick in this draft he will be disappointing....
If he falls to 6-9 I think that is a fair risk. I have read quite a few Dwight or Amare comparisons over the past 12 months. I just cannot see him being that good...
I haven't heard him be called a bum but the only reason people are saying this is because people have seen his kind before. The big atlethic superfreak who's supposed to be this franchise savior but things happen that prevent that from happening. Wheter it be the player himself, surrounding cast, injuries or whatever else it may be that slows or kills the process. People are just naturally going to be iffy about his kind of player. Freak guards get questioned to but big men more so than guards.
Why is your picture blocking the post?
Its not going to be because of his potential or because his FT shooting or his motor, its going to be that he is not a player who is going to be an impact player in his first year...probably not his second either. Neg me if you want, but big men take a lot longer to develop than guards. Dwight wasn't good his first year, Kevin Love wasn't, LaMarcus Aldridge wasn't either. Bynum took three years to get somewhat decent. Monroe and Cousins only started to show what they were capable of at the end of last year. If you are the GM for CHA, CLE, or DC, you will probably be out of a job by the time Drummond comes around (if he does) because your team needs to win now. Another contributing factor could be that the NBA does not develop players like the NFL does so some teams may just know that they do not have the coaching staff in place to teach him the skills he needs.
I think for the most part, teams in the high lottery are looking for players that can help them win right now and are staying away from the "high potential" picks this year.
Any team in the top 2-5 should take Drummond, I believe the only true weakness in his game is his attitude. On the other hand great players such as M.J , Kobe , KG are known for their arrogance and I think Andre has a bit of that. But you can not overlook the kid is skilled, athletic for his size and weight, by far will be one of the fastest and agile Centers in the league right away. In the right situation he could turn in to a star . Charlotte would not be a nice place for him to end up.We would fit in great in Portland, maybe Washington.
Your statement about bigmen taking time to develop is true but Dwight put up 15 and 11 his rookie year, Kevin love put up 12 and 8 Drummond cannot be in their class as he is way to raw to out up anything more than 4 pts and 4 rebs
Because he has no skills, offensive or defensive.
Because if he was 6'9, he would be a 2nd round pick.
you are wrong about those stats... go to basketball reference, espn, nba or their team websites and check em out.. I dont really care that you are wrong, the point is still made. I made those comps because people on this website do not have too long of a memory so you have to compare players to players w/in the last few years... It took Jermaine O neil 5 years to get starter's minutes... It took Zach Randolph 3 years... Teams that pass on drummond will do so because their GMs want to have jobs in 5 years, or 3 years or however long it takes to develop him. As you said he is RAW.
Let's look at those who may take him:
Charolette - Jordan isn't known for patience and was burned by Kwame.
Washington - No job security, really, as that team has been a mess. If they develop him remotely like Javale, it gets everyone in the front office canned.
Cleveland - only safe spot.
Sacto - a mess of a franchise - could Cousins and Drummond develop at once? Young bigs so rarely develop together.
Portland - Will have a new GM who needs job security, particularly the way that Allen goes through GMs. Could they wait for Drummond to develop?
See the problem?