What does it mean to be an All-Star ?
I think it should be based on whoever is playing on an all-star level. This means purely based on statistical evaluations of the player. Do you really think that Timmy D should have got selected before Kevin Love ?? yeaaa duncan and his Spurs are the best team in the league, lets be honest though if it was like that shouldn't we be seeing Tony parker or even richard jefferson in the games ? I think this weekend should just showcase the best talent the NBA has to offer every year What do you guys think ??
We have been going back and forth on this. It is all on your definition of talent.
Kevin Love: He had an incredible 30-30 game, is killing the NBA in rebounding at around 16 a game. He is putting up a lot of double doubles (though, that kind of goes without saying when you are averaging 20-16, and do not know why people keep bringing it up as support for his case over another player), averaging 21-16 and shooting amazing percentages from 3 and the line. His cons are, he is a below average defender who sometimes allows just as much as he puts up, or makes the player he is guarding look much better than he usually is. His team is horrendous and struggles to win games, and when you are the best player, even on a poor team, you take the brunt of the criticism.
Tim Duncan: He is playing 29 minutes per game, averaging about 14-9, but his team has been incredibly good. You can say he is the third option (do not say Richard Jefferson means more to the team than Tim Duncan), but at the same time, he is playing great defense and is putting up similar percentages to what he has his entire Hall of Fame career. In other words, he does not have to average a double double, as long as his team stays the best in the NBA. Not to mention, while people classify Timmy as a PF, he has pretty much been the Spurs Center for the past 3 years. So, different position, not to mention a position the West is anemic at. He is averaging a career low in numbers though, and is of course getting up there in age.
So, you have these two descriptions. Both players have a lot of things going for them. My question is, how can you say that Kevin Love is more talented than Tim Duncan? I know, it is the All-Star Game and it should have a lot of bearing on the averages a player has had during the season. Nonetheless, do you base player rankings and how you see the NBA strictly off of this season? I find it incredibly difficult to JUST do that, I tend to look at the past and maybe see what a player can do. What I am saying is, that while Tim Duncan has averaged career lows thus far, could you take him out of the equation and have the Spurs be this good? Manu and Tony are both important pieces, incredibly important, but who was the franchise guy? A two time MVP? Someone who has made the All-Star team every year he has been in the league uninjured? You really take all of this out of the equation due to his play this season on the NBA's best team?
The major problem I think you guys never seem to take into account is circumstance. The West has more talented players spread out on a number of teams than the East. Tim Duncan's value however, is the same as Kevin Garnett's. You take KG out of the equation in Boston, they are not a title contender. Tim Duncan makes the Spurs a team that is incredibly hard to beat. So, even with lower numbers, his team has been fantastic. When KG's numbers dropped and the Celtics were a much better team and finally a championship contender, people were ready to give him the MVP. To me, both Duncan and Garnett are still top flight PF's in the NBA, despite their numbers being much less than some of the other PF's in the league. So, you can say that the team should be decided on statistics, I do not agree, but you can say that. But, if you are deciding on talent, and leaving out Tim Duncan, I do not think you are taking many important things into account.
I don't think it's that big of a deal, personally. Were talking the prestegous club that includes Jamal Magliore, Chris Gatling, as well as Grant Hill, T-Mac, and Vince Carter ( when they had all sat out most of that year due to injuries ). The fan voted starting center for the West hasn't played a game since November and was averaging 10 ppg before he went down.
I think the real hardware gets handed out at the end of the year. All- NBA teams, All-Defense teams and playoff births. This is a fun weekend to give the fans the chance to see their favorite and most exciting players in the same game, and give the players a weekend off to party or chill with their families.
There are snubs EVERY year and people are pissed off for like a week. When Portland is in the playoffs and Kevin Love is watching the games on TV it's not gonna matter. It's a nice honor, sure, and something you can throw out when negotiating a contract, but again lets not make it out for anything more than it really is.
You hear players talking about losing in playoff series and those memories still huring and those thoughts still pop in thier minds from time to time. Do you really think in 5 years LaMarcus Aldridge is going to be like do you remember when I got snubbed in the 2011 All-Star game for Kevin Love...that still hurts, man. I just can't get past that...PLEASE. He'll have a birth by then, usually the most obvious snub makes it the next year out of principle anyways.
Well, Chris Webber sure remembers Tom Gugliotta beating him out one year... LMAO
Watch at the 2:03 mark
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I remember watching him talk about this. I felt stupider afterwards. To me, when you say "Tim Duncan is a better player", you shoot your argument in the foot. They were talking about starting, which to me, as long as the person deserves to be an All-Star, and they start over a better All-Star, that is fine. But I do agree with C-Webb in that Gugliotta thing. These players do care, and I am sure LaMarcus is saying right now "I am better than these guys (Love, Griffin)". It matters to the players to make it, that is for sure, and I want the best players playing in the game. I feel this year, more than a lot of others, they actually did pick the best players, but of all the snubs, Aldridge is the one that stings the most to me. The West is stacked at PF though, and I am happy for Kevin, because I got to see him play in HS and develop into this complete monster. Still think Aldridge is the better player at this point though, which is why I fought for his inclusion. Tim Duncan is a guy I would never argue against as long as his team is winning and he is starting. If you think that any of those mentioned are better than Timmy, that is your MO, but I have a hard time saying any of those guys are better players than Tim Duncan. You can not tell me with full confidence that any of those guys switch spots with Timmy that the Spurs are the same team.
You're right Joe Wolf it isn't that big of a deal its just funny watching people get so emotional over a player or two that they were adamant about not being a AllStar when they have dumped on the Player every chance they get. I don't think Duncan should have made it but the NBA does do Lifetime Achievement awards from time to time so its all good. And since I'm going i would much rather see Blake Griffin in it then Odom,Lamarcus, Or Zbo. One thing is we don't know who could do what if they played on this or that team. Its no different then one of us saying what we would do if we were playing on the team. Its all guess work with zero proof of what would happen so we have to go by what is actually happening
In the end Jamal Magloire made an allstar game