As an avid Jazz fan concerned about the future and if we can ever get that elusive championship trophy, it always seems like the Jazz are close but are missing one thing. Year in and year out we try and deal with out it, try and find it through free agency or the draft. But that never works. Or maybe it can, now that AK's big contract finally comes off the books this year!
Now the question is what to do with the extra money? Well why don't the Jazz use it to fill in that extra piece that they seem to always be lacking! Well, what is it, you ask. A shooting guard that has great talent and can grow well alongside Dwill, Big Al, and Paul Millsap. OJ Mayo would be great but he's still under contract next year and I don't think Memphis would be willing to give him up. Jason Richardson would also be good, but he's old. He is a free agent next year, and it always nice to add a veteran that fills a missing piece but like I said, he's old. The Jazz need someone who is young, who will stay there for the long haul. So who would work?
Enter in Rodney Stuckey. He's young (just drafted in 2007) Pistons drafted him for his potential, but seem to be ruining by playing him at the point when his true position is SG. And then they keep Rip Hamilton and bring in Ben Gordon. Crowding up that 2 guard even more, and consequently never giving him minutes as a 2 guard. They have mentioned that they wanted find a true point guard, which is good, but it doesn't seem like the Pistons are fully committed to Stuckey as we thought. (He is a free agent next year, if they were really committed to him, they would have extended his contract) So why not sign him next year for about 9-10 mil. He gets about 16ppg, 4.5apg, plays great defense (which means steals) He is very coachable, and I think he would be an excellent Sloan type player that can develop very well next to Dwill, Millsap and Jefferson. He is not as 3 point prone as CJ Miles is. (I believe that is one main reason why Sloan has Miles come off the bench) Another SG that might work is Nick Young but Stuckey is better. They have about the same potential but it seems that Stuckey is more fit for Sloan than Young is. Young is talented but it doesn't seem like he cares. Sloan will hate that. So I believe Stuckey is they guy the Jazz should target.
So here's my plan: Resign AK for about 5 mil. With that extra 12-15 mil left over, use 9-10 mil to sign Stuckey, resign CJ for about 3 mil. Let Ronnie Price go and sign with another team. He's a nice player and he brings nice energy, and plays great D but I think the Jazz can do better. Draft a PG that can replace Price (that shouldn't be too hard to find) I think Maalik Wayns, McCamey, Kemba Walker or Shelvin Mack would fit the bill. Now if my calculations are correct, with AK, Stuckey, and Miles the Jazz are right at the cap mark. So they can go over about 1 or 2 million to sign their draft pick, and then if necessary they can use some kind of exception to bring over Ante Tomic and sign him. (If not though, no big deal, Okur is good for now, we can always bring him over in 2013 if we still don't have the money.) I really think that this is the way to go with AK's contract. This is Jazz's biggest need. What do you guys think? Would Stuckey solve Utah's problems and serve as our starting 2 guard who can develop great alongside Dwill, Millsap, and Big AL?
No....let it run out then resign him
Yeah that's what I'm saying wiz kid. Let AK's contract run out and then resign him but not for so much. He's not worth 17million. To me he's only worth about 5 mil so sign him for that much, and then use most of what's left to sign someone that is worth it. Someone that can fill a hole, and is young. Like Stuckey. Or is he the wrong player, should the Jazz go for someone else instead? Personally I think Stuckey is perfect but maybe I'm wrong.
My apology I was under impression you wanted to trade AK for stuckey
Stuckey doesnt fit Williams, unless he's coming off the bench then not bad but he cant shoot to save his life which is why the Pistons thought he'd be a better point because he can take it to the hole and pass but he's not a true, he's a combo and thats what he needs to play, off the bench that is
Yeah I realize Stuckey isn't much of a shooter, Young is a better shooter but I fear his attitude isn't right for Coach Sloan. He seems like the type of guy who doesn't care but has great talent. This is why I chose Stuckey over Young even though Stuckey really can't shoot too well.
That wilson chandler may be a option..
...but your calculations are flawed I think; The Jazz will be at $54M at the end of the season and that's even w/o Miles' player option; a team can re-sign players for however much they want at or below the max, but with outside players, they have to fit under the cap, meaning, per this year's cap, the Jazz would only have about $4.5M to spend, and that's about half of what you're suggesting Stuckey is worth. If the Jazz are to nab a big fish using AK's contract, they should deal him during the season (a hefty $17.8M) for a more high-caliber player, which could be Stuckey plus others or an even bigger target like Iguodala, as the 76ers too are looking to save money. That is unlikely, they're not gonna give up Iggy to save $, I know, but with so many teams looking to save in this economy, AK's contract could provide HUGE relief for them, and if the Jazz are to give DWill & co. the surrounding pieces they deserve while in their prime, they should trade Kirilenko during the season.
Jason Richardson is 29. That's not exactly old. He's probably coming out of his prime, but he's got a couple of good years left.
Disclaimer: I'm 29, too and I would like to think I hvae a few good years left myself.
Utah doesn't have the cap space to do what you propose. Sorry.
sammybuckeye's right. Stucky is a nice player, but is a really bad spot up shooter. And we couldnt afford to sign him even if we let C.J. and Price walk next off season. I think Iggy would be the perfect piece, he's an elite level athlete and great defender. He and D Will on the break would be sick. If we could some how pull of a miracle and steal him from Philly.
imo j rich would be the perfect 2 guard to compliment d will hes a fantastic shooter from long range great on the break plays enough d to get by on i dont think stuckey would work because he cant shoot that well from outside and the 2 guard in sloans offense needs to knock it down i didnt like them letting korver leave true he didnt play enough d but dam could he shoot
It appears you guys are right. The salary cap is at about 54 mil. and after the Price, Miles, AK, Fes, Watson, and Elson all come off the books we will be at 51,436,726. Which leaves only about 3 mil to spend. The Jazz should probably use that money to sign our draft pick, and bring over Ante Tomic who will eventually replace Mehmet Okur. (I really don't think he will come back to regular form after his injury. He'll come back but he won't be nearly the same player he was before) So for all of you adamant AK fans, I support you, and I believe should do all they can to keep AK because he is basically irreplaceable; if you want to succeed and possibly win a championship, we will have to give up AK. We will never succeed by starting Raja Bell at the 2. Never wina championship. The Jazz have been in the playoffs for so long so consecutively that anything short of a championship for the Western Conference or the Finals is a failure. They can't get there without a 2 guard, that is athletic, can shoot well, can pass well, plays great defense, and is a team player that can develop well alongside Dwill, Big AL, and Millsap. The only way the Jazz can do this is if they give up AK. So with that, here are my proposals:
Prince may be old, but he can play defense. He's certainly not going to blocking any shots like AK can but Stuckey coupled with him is just too much to pass up. I've already mentioned how valuable that 2 guard. I believe Stuckey only lacks one thing to fit this role, and that is his shooting ability. Luckily though Utah has the perfect staff that can help him develop it. He can take lessons from CJ, Hayward, Hornacek, Dwill, Bell. In Utah, Stuckey will not need to focus on developing his PG skills like he has to in Detroit. Instead he can focus on his shooting and use his athletic skills, the passing skills he learned from Detroit, the skills of shooting that he will attain in Utah and become that ultimate 2 guard that the Jazz so much need. This trade works for both teams because Detroit gets rid of one of their big contracts (Prince) and gets a nice player in return who will come off the books in return, so the Pistons can start focusing on rebuilding.
Starting lineups if this trade goes through:Jazz, Dwill, Stuckey, Prince, Millsap, Big AL, with CJ as the sixth man. Pistons, 2011 draft pick (either Irving or Knight), Hamilton, AK, Villanueva, Monroe, with Ben Gordon as the sixth man.
Earl Clark is young, has some nice defensive tools, but will not become the player that AK is. He can come close but ultimately he will never to be able to block as many shots as AK can. But once again the addition of J-Rich is just too much to pass up. The Suns will also need to rebuild soon, with Nash, J-Rich, Hill and Turkoglu only getting older. With AK's expiring contract they can focus on signing players that will fit their team and the team they want to rebuild.
Starting Lineups is this trade goes through: Jazz, Dwill, J-Rich, Miles, Millsap, Big AL, with Okur as the sixth man. Suns, Nash, 2011 draft pick (Alec Burks, Travis Leslie, or Rodney Williams), Turkoglu, AK, Lopez, with Grant Hill or Hakim Warrick as their sixth man.
For the Jazz to get Nick Young it will probably have to be a 3-team trade as the Wizards don't really have any players that can compensate for what AK can do. (Josh Howard or Al Thornton are nice players but they will never become the player that AK is as both of them are not great defensive players to begin with. Howard has better defense than Thornton but he is about enter his prime which means that he is ultimately declining, and Nick Young does not really posses the 2 guard skills that the Jazz desperately need.
What do you think of those trades. Or can you come up with another trade that can give the Jazz what they ultimately need.
As regards Stuckley, I wonder if Ben Gordon might be a better option for the Jazz, he is more of a scorer and surely alongside D-Will he could really blossom. Or even Rip Hamilton as an established SG or even SF could give Utah a good couple of years and Detroit may want to move contracts as you have all sorts of options with Gordon, Hamilton, Prince alongside AK47, some exceptions and maybe rights to Tomic. Also Maxiell and Okur could possibly be included if Detroit want to clear cap space and Utah want to be win now.
The one I personally like is Hamilton and Prince for AK47 and Miles plus some exception. This gives Utah Prince who can do a similar role to AK47 and Hamilton who can surely be a good scorer alongside D-Will, they can look to resign Prince next summer if needed. Also Hamilton and Prince have Championship experience which is invaluable at play off time and it doesn't cripple Utah's cap. They could even look to bring back AK47 next season if they have an MLE available and he would take it.
Detroit clear Hamilton's contract for the next two years thus saving money and allowing extra playing time for the younger guys, AK47 slots into Prince's role and gives them much needed defensive stability. C.J Miles is another SF but won't take up the minutes that Hamilton did and is only 23 years old so Detroit have another piece for the future or at worse they could trade him on next summer as he has a nice team option.
Hamilton and Price are prove veterans and world champ. But Hamilton who's 32 and has 25mil guaranteed in the next 2 years and 12.5 partially the 3rd. And only averaging 13.5ppg. Price is 30 and only averaging 12.7. I would rather keep A.K. for is Defence and C.J. of is potential and scoring.
Yeah Rip Hamilton is definitely not an option. While J-rich would be perfect he is in his prime, which means that after this year he will probably start declining, which Utah definitely does not need. They need someone who is definitely on the rise, and will only get better. That's why I suggest Stuckey. Wilson Chandler to me he is more of a 3. But its an option. Ben Gordon could also work but I'm not a big fan of small shooting guards especially 6'3 ones. I can deal with 6'4 but definitely not 6'3, and I would love to have our 2 guard be 6'5 or taller.
Here's a way that Utah could land Wilson Chandler. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26dkqn9
I am really starting to like Chandler more and more. I love the Jazz's versatility now, and Chandler would give them even more versatility. So does Stuckey, but he can't shoot worth crap, and that is a necessity in the Jazz's system. I remember when the Jazz used Ronnie Brewer as their 2 guard and while I liked him, I didn't like the fact that he wasn't a great shooter. Chandler can shoot well, he's young, and while he may not be as athletic as Stuckey and J-rich he can still be quite the player. He also is the perfect player for Jerry Sloan.
This trade works for New York because they can get rid of Eddy Curry and his ugly contract. This trade would also provide more time for Fields to prove he is the starter, and would probably lock him in too just like the Brewer trade locked in Wesley Matthews as the Jazz starter last year. Any team would welcome AK because he is practically irreplaceable. Its a shame that the Jazz will have to give him up, but if it will help us win a championship or get to the Finals, I'm all for it. The interesting thing is, I believe if this trade goes through we could start seeing AK play more of a 4 than a 3. Gallo is the lock in starter so there's now way AK would start at the 3. Randolph is not looking too good so far and has fallen out of the rotation, so maybe AK would start at the 4 with Amare at Center. Or he could come off the bench to back up either Gallo or Amare.
The Pistons may not like to have Curry, but I think he would be a wise decision as Big Ben will probably retire after this year and Curry would be a good backup to Monroe. Also if they do this trade they won't have to start Stuckey at the point. If Douglas is ready to start, they can start him and Stuckey together with Jerebko at the 3 (once he comes back from injury) and Villanueva at the 4.
I'm pushing for this one now. But the Stuckey trade is still an option if worst comes to worst.