Way too high on Wiggins
I like Wiggins, but he is far from a cant-miss prospect. One scout said it best, Wiggins maybe the best athlete in his class, but he is not the best player. Wiggins game is primarily based on athleticism. His jumper is not good, ball handling is mediocre, and he still needs to gain weight and he is too easy-going on the court at times, where is looks as he if not putting forth a lot of effort.. Athleticism is unstoppable in high school, but in college and definitely in the pros, it can be neutralized, you have to have more than that. Jabari Parker game is way ahead of Wiggins in terms of skills set. Wiggins may have a high ceiling, but that doesn't mean he will reach it. Wiggins is no different from Gerald Green and J.R Smith who both were supremely athletic in High School and could shoot much better than Wiggins, yet they are not franchise players, so you never know. Some of you would say I'm crazy, but if you saw Gerald and J.R in high school, they were unbelievable.
I hope Wiggins reaches his potential, but I would not be shocked if he doesn't. We get to caught up in great athletes and miss other facets of the games. When I watch Wiggins, I do not see a great player at this time, I see a great athlete who "can' become a great player.
Wiggins' bball I.Q. is way higher than Gerald Green or J.R. Smith. Wiggins has shown consistently that he knows how to play within a structured offence and he does not need to be the focal point at all times. Don't think just cause he doesn't go off for 40 every night that he's passive, he has shown the ability to go off for 50+ when he wants. His handles are improving and his jump shot is actually pretty good, not to mention he has a spin move to the rim that is nearly unstoppable. You may be right that Jabari Parker has the more complete skill set at this point in time, but I don't think he's a better player than Andrew. Defense ultimately is what will separate them, with Wiggins having the potential to become an ALL NBA type defender where as I only see Parker being a good defender but never an elite one at the NBA level. In truth, I hope they both reach their ceilings and give us a great rivalry and debate for the next 15 years.
Your point on playing within a structured offence is great. Seen so many talented players at all levels not be able to progress up the ladder because of now being able to showcase their individual skills within the flow of the team game. The way wiggins was a top 2ish scorer at pretty much all the All Star games, yet never really stood out, shows a lot more promise than negatives.
I do agree Wiggins basketball I.Q is higher than Green or Smith, and that Wiggins does have an opportunity to be an All-NBA defender, but my question is will he become a guy you can build around, franchise player type?
but how many guys in NBA right now can play elite defense and give you 50 points? Only Lebron, i mean Wade could do it at one point and so could Kobe but they're both past that point. Durant and Melo are good defenders but I would not go so far as to say they are elite. In short, yes I do think he will become a guy you can build around, of course he'll need talented and experienced teammates as well but I do think he could improve any team he goes to by 10 wins in his first season. I believe he can have that type of impact.
JR Smith and Gerald Green are both terrible examples. I understand that your basing this on athletisism and shooting but those two players have about as low basketball iq as possible. Both players came out of high school believing "they made it" instant superstar premodanna attitudes. To this day if you watch both players play they are both still controlled by thier emotions which makes them streaky shooters, once a call goes against them you'll see the body language take a drastic change along with performance.
Wiggins is very humble kid who despite popular opinions does improve every year, and responds to adversity. He is extremely coachable and a great team player that wants to win. He is not a kid coming out of high school acting like Gucci Mane of the NBA he is a humble guy.
Personally I believe Parker is the better player and possibly the better prospect not to tale anything away from Wiggins. I just believe that although Wiggins may have a 44inch very Parker probably has a 37-38 inch where most people think he is an average jumper and athlete because his game is so smooth.
Its easy to say Green and Smith have terrible basketball IQs now because they are playing at the highest level, but in high school if you are a supreme talent then your IQ is not that big of issue, because you can dominate high school without having great knowledge of the game. I think Wiggins will be better than both Green and Smith, I was just using them from a talent standpoint and saying that both of their skill sets aside from their mental, was better than Wiggins at this stage in high school and so is Jabari Parker, but yet everyone feels Wiggins is the best since Lebron, and I'm not so sure about that.
i am high on wiggins but i will admit it seems like he became an overnight celebrity in a way. i mean as far as im concerned...hes only as good as what he does next year in college
I would be shocked if he didn't reach his max potential... and yes jabari has more skills as of now but isn't that what makes wiggins so special? that hes only 18 without a lot of skill and yet still dominates top level competition... pretty damn scary if u ask me
If Parker is the better player how come Wiggins outplays him every time they go up against eachother?
I couldn't agree more with you Y2G. Every time they go against each other Wiggins outplays Parker but gets no credit for it.
I do think I would have concerns in the "Best prospect since LeBron" expectations. He is athletic, but the points about him not being the best shooter or best ball handler aren't that off. He will no doubt be a good player, but how good? I don't know. A lot of you talking about playing in the structure of an offense. I'm sorry, but in high school, I expect once in a lifetime players to make there own offense and just dominate. Not run around down screening and cutting to get open. Maybe I'm wrong in that thinking, but at the HS level you should basically be able to get the ball, and score, with no effort at all, if you are supposedly the best prospect in years.
Again, I'm not trying to be down on Wiggins. I just believe nothing we have seen from him- HS, AAU, All Star games to this point has any barring on who he is. Once he starts playing at Kansas, we can start making those assumptions.
Is he a can't miss prospect? Oh certainly, you miss him and you miss a once in a at least 5 year talent. He's got what it takes to be the next perennial all-star.
Is he the best prospect since Lebron? I wouldn't go that far and it certainly isn't Parker either. People are quick to forget how huge of prospects Greg Oden and OJ Mayo were, and how insane Mayo's hype train in particular was. They underperformed in the NBA, but as prospects they were super stars.
"Best prospect since Lebron" gets tossed around way too much. Means nothing nowdays, like "epic" or "premium". Barnes had that label attached, Shabazz had it, Drummond had it, list goes on and on and on. It's easy to say it when the kids are in High School and lighting everyone up and looking invincible day in and day out. I like Wiggins above the ones I just listed, and to me he is #1 since at least Oden, but to put him over Oden and Mayo based on hype or Durant and Howard based on performance would be silly.
Basketball Scouts and Mock Drafts eventually have to get it right don't they ?
There has been Perry Jones, Harrison Barnes, McAdoo, Drummond, Austin Rivers, Bazz were all well over-hyped as no1 or 2 picks and "future All-Stars" or "can't miss prospects" so I can actually see your point. So many kids get on here, follow the sheep and claim the next HS kid will be a superstar....
I have watched all highlights of the above players and found holes in all their games. Having said that I am impressed with Wiggins highlights. I haven't been this impressed since I saw John Wall's highlights.
For a SF he has an excellent handle. His spin move is crazy and I would rank it right up there with the best. (yes I have seen James Worthy and Dominique Wilkins play in their prime).
Comparing him to Harrison Barnes who was suppose to be a "sure thing" one and done and lock to be the no1 overall pick. Wiggins handle, first step, ball handling and athleticism are all ahead of Barnes. Barnes had the better jump shot.
I am not one to jump on the hype bandwagon but Wiggins does look promising. Not saying he will be the next All Star but he does look very good.
His ball-handling might be his biggest weakness right now.
Wiggins is a can't miss prospect. Barring injury he will be an NBA franchise changer. You can write that down in permanent marker. I just don't see how anyone can compare him with guys like JR Smith, Gerald Green, even OJ Mayo. These guys were nowhere near the same league as this kid coming out of high school. Watch his game film closely, this guy is unreal. If he never contributed anything on offense, Wiggins could play in the NBA as a lockdown defender, that already takes him out of the realm of guys like Gerald Green and OJ Mayo. I always saw people bashing Lebron's jumper also but Lebron's jumper was always more than adequate enough to allow him to play his efficient style of basketball. This is similar to Wiggins, his jump shot is good enough to play his style. I pray to God Wiggins never becomes a jump shooter because he doesn't have to and he shouldn't. He can get to the hoop at will, get to the line, look for teammates with his anticipation skills. His game will be very efficient rather than settling for jump shots.
Wiggins is always two steps ahead during a game, a cerebral athlete with his skill level is pretty much unheard of. This is why he is compared to Lebron more than anything else. Like Lebron you can see how his feel for the game is not common, he's 2 steps ahead of everyone else on the floor. Everyone always talks about his athleticism but this isn't what makes him such a gifted player, it's his anticipation, the way he sees the game.
High school basketball is far too easy for him, he's playing at a level that even the best players in his class aren't yet approaching. He also consistently elevates his game to a much higher level when taking on the best competition which shows that he has the competitive fire it takes to be the best. No matter how talented you are or gifted you are in anything, if you don't have the desire to get better or to be the best then you will never reach your highest levels. I think he has that killer will as evidenced by the dominance he has when taking on his rival peers like Parker and Randle.
You guys so easily have hindsight when you talk about high school hype. OJ Mayo was THAT DUDE in High School. Like everyone thought he was the most unbelievable scoring machine they had ever seen. He was supposed to be great. Everyone knew that class was stacked, so while Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon, and Michael Beasley were thuroughly hyped as well, Mayo was considered one of the best high school players ever. ...And then it didn't go all that well for him. Listen, my gut feeling is that Wiggins is going to be a very very good NBA player who helps a franchise get better and eventually good be an NBA star. This does not mean there is any evidence from highlight tapes of him dunking, and taking 6'2 D2 guys off the dribble that suggest this is relevant to NBA success. Plenty of players have had very few flaws in there High School game. But once its college, its more obvious what those flaws are. I just think you have to see him first to anoint him anything.
I like the way he attacks the offensive glass for a wing player. He has such a quick and explosive 2nd leap that he will instantly become one of the best offensive rebounding SF's in the league. He obviously needs to get stronger and refine his game but every 18 year old does. I know he is over hyped and ESPN saying dumb stuff like "The Next LeBron" isn't helping but he is going to be a very good player. I don't think he will be transcendent like MJ or LeBron but I think he can be on the Superstar level of a Dominque Wilkins.
The Human Highlight Film averaged 24.8 PPG for his career, he was a 9 time all star, 7 time all NBA (only 1 1st team though). He never made it to the conference finals despite playing with Kevin Willis and Doc Rivers in their primes. That could have been because great teams like the Celtics, Pistons and Bulls dominated the era or it could have been because Wilkins was a great scorer more than a great all around player.