Was Tibor Pleiss Really A Good Pick?
I will admit I don't know much about him except for a few youtube clips, but is this guy legit? I heard Fran Franchilla and others invoke the names Dirk Nowitzki and Rik Smits when talking about this kid. I just don't see it, but if they are even close to being right OKC are gonna be real contenders in 2012. Thoughts?
he is in no way a dirk type...not at this point atleast...I would compare him to Rasho Nesterovic
Yeah i question this pick as well... Everyone has jumped on okc's bandwagon since last year because they are exciting to watch and they have one of the most prolific perimeter players in kevin durant. Everyone says they pushed the lakers the hardest which is untrue, its just that okc is a great sales pitch for the NBA with their youth and exuberance. The tibor pleiss pick is definitely in question. Okc needs to get strong down low, they don't need another guy who is going to come in and be a shot taker. Between durant, westbrook and green (who i think should be traded just because he's a tweener at the 4) they have enough offensive punch to score. They need some guys who will be plausible down low offensively, and sturdy on the defensive end. I love serge ibaka and his shot blocking but he's undersized and is a much better help side shot blocker than an on ball shot blocker/defender. They did take daniel orton who could help in that department but they still need a 4 who can stand his ground defensively. Jeff green is great as well but like i said he's a tweener and at the end of the day he'll have to guard pau gasol if they ever want the ultimate prize and as much as i hate the lakers and pau gasol, jeff green cant guard him. They should've taken a chance on hassan whiteside, as he could become just what the doctor ordered but luckily for me (i'm a kings fan) he fell to us and we may have the opportunity to reap the benefits of what his potential could bring. All in all okc will always be exciting and maybe even a 50 win team on a season to season basis but they wont have the necessary pieces to contend realistically UNLESS they become sturdier down low... Haywood or someone like that would be perfect
the guy plays really good post defense and has shown a good jump shot, if he can start to score down low he will complement Aldrich and Ibaka very well.
Also they did not take Orton so sacphil you might want to edit your post.
Tibor will be a steal when he comes over in a year or 2.
We shall just wait and see, how do you know what Pleiss is right now and even more what he will be in 2-3 years. The GMs of OKC aren't idiots, they were clearly targeting him so probably he did impress them. I guess they should and do know more about him than me and you
It depends on if Oklahoma City signs him or not. He played in Germany last year, and the leap from that league to the NBA is huge. If that is the case, I don't think the pick was that good. If he stays in Europe and works his way up the ladder of ball there before coming over in a few years, then it is a very good pick especially when one considers that OKC does not have a ton of open roster spots.
Wow im trippin, i think its because before the draft they had supposedly promised him theyd pick him. He went to orlando, my bad... Still haywood is their best bet
I agree with the Tibor pick and even about Jeff Green, but you obviously have not seen Serge Ibaka much besides the playoffs. He shut down Tim Duncan in their last meeting w/ the Spurs. Tim Duncan had about 20pts. I know that doesn't sound like he shut Duncan down, but when they took Jeff Green off Tim and put Ibaka on him, Duncan missed every single shot attempt if it wasn't blocked by Ibaka when Ibaka guarded him, and he is just a rookie so don't be so quick to make assumptions like that. Think about it, nobody thought Westbrook would play as well as he did in the playoffs after 1 year in the NBA.
i am from germany so maybe i have seen him play a little more than most fan. i think he was a good player this year and maybe has some upside but if the dirk comparison was for real than i think he wouldn´t have slipped below top15 because some nba scout would have realised it.
i think he can be a solid starting C or solid backup but really not much more..
the dirk comparison is more based on the fact that he is a big man from the same country than on real facts in my opinion...
Jerb2011 im not saying he's not going to be good or even a solid contributor im saying that when it comes to the pau gasol's and andrew bynums of the world hes undersized so even with his great shotblocking ability he wont be in position to use it. And lets face it duncan is way past his prime and its obvious. You match duncan up against ibaka in duncans 2nd or 3rd year like ibaka is in and duncan destroys him. He's a legend and early on was unstoppable. Im not discrediting ibaka im just saying that he cant be the anchor of a team defensively because he doesnt have the body to bang. Thats why i said haywood would work out for you guys (i'm assuming your an okc fan) he has the body to bang and his arms are as long as all hell. ibaka is 235 lbs and guys like gasol are going to have 15-20 lbs on him along with superior length. So im not knocking him im just thinking in the grand scheme of things. Whenever i say that someone cant do something im thinking in the grand scheme of things and the ultimate which is a championship. People like to think of how great of a season their team can have. I like to look at it like does this team have a chance to win it all and if not what needs to be improved. So ibaka to me is not the answer in the grand scheme of things. Look at jeff green, he was an integral part of how okc got their 50 win season, but when i looked at that in the grand scheme of things, i know he's a tweener and that ultimately he's going to have to match up with a pau gasol or a dirk nowitzki or a lamarcus aldridge and there's major disadvantages there. so in the grand scheme i didnt see it panning out. Same with orlando. They are great and can be a 55-60 win team every year with that team. But at the end of the day (at least for the next couple seasons) they're going to have to get through boston and playing with rashard lewis at the 4 they are at a disadvantage which we all saw in that series. So think of the big picture is all im saying because 50 and 60 win seasons are like girls that look promising and say all the right things but when it comes down to it she was just a tease and im sure no one wants that
In the grand scheme of things, stop giving thumbs up to your own posts.
The only thing good I can say about him is he's better than BJ Mullens, last year's number one pick for OKC. He will at best become a career backup playing maybe 10-12 minutes per game.
Pleiss is legit and knows his role.
He's a hard-working kid with the right attitude who won't take away shots from Durant.
At least that's what I've read. ;)
Everyone ripped OKC when Ibaka was picked 2 years ago. They called him a serious project who was too raw, with limited potential and said he might never come over and make the league. Basically OKC dropped the ball by drafting him etc etc. Then OKC signed Ibaka last off season... a signing that went relatively unnoticed. Late in the season and through the playoffs Ibaka started to come into his own and next season should be incredible for him. Pleiss has just as much potential as Ibaka. OKC drafts high character, talented work horses. Pleiss is another one of those players. He's already 7ft1 and apparently still growing from what i've read. As a second round pick with very limited risk/high reward potential,... this was a stellar pickup.
He can set pick and roll and pick and pop. Watch some youtube videos of him in predraft.
He will be a very good #4 or 5 option for there offense, next year or the year after he will be a rotation center.
He has basically the same skills as Aldrich but taller.
Also on OKC site they said he was starting for his team in the highest level of Euro league, i dont know if its true, but its what there gm said in the post draft conference.
Yes, it was a good pick because the Thunder need a center and are therefore auditioning some. I really want to see what this guy has in Summer League.
They got good value for him. He has the talent and ability of a late 1st rounder, but he was a 2nd round pick. Also add in that he's not really polished or strong enough to contribute next season so they stashed him for a year or 2. Not a bad pick at all. They got him at a high value relative to where he was picked, and they can bring him over when they feel comfortable with his development. And then there's the benefit of not having to risk too much because he was a 2nd rounder.
This was almost a perfect fit lol. How can you question it?