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VOTE - Small Forwards (& SG Results)

Vote for any player as much as you want but no ties..

1. Best Current SF?

2. Best in 5 years?

3. Most Underrated?

4. Overrated?

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)?

6. Best Rookie?

7. Most Athletic?

8. Most Skilled?

9. Best Leader?

10. Best All-Time?

11. Favorite Current SF?
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SG RESULTS FROM YESTERDAY:
1. BEST............HARDEN 16, Stephenson 4, Wade 3, Thompson 1
2. BEST in 5.....BEAL 8, Thompson 5, Oladipo-Harden 3, Lance 2, 3 w/ 1
3. UNDER.........DEROZAN 5, Waiters-Matthews-Afflalo 3, 9 w/ 1
4. OVER...........HARDEN 12, Waiters-Kobe 3, Wade-Manu 2, Thompson 1
5. YOUNG........BEAL 18, Oladipo 4, KCP 1
6. ROOKIE.......HARRIS 8, Stauskas 7, Lavine 4, Wiggins 2, 3 w/ 1
7. ATHLETIC....GREEN 14, Lavine 4, Derozan-Wiggins 2, Ellis 1
8. SKILLED.......KOBE 20, Wade-Stephenson-Oladipo-Thompson 1
9. LEADER.......KOBE 12, Wade 6, Manu-TAllen 2, JJohnson 1
10.TOP 3 ALL...MJ 23(u), KOBE 22, WADE 12, Clyde 4, AI-West 3, 2 w/ 1
11.FAV SG.......LANCE-KOBE 4, Manu-Derozan 3, 8 w/ 1
12.FAV PG.......ROSE 4, Westbrook 3, Paul-Lillard-Wall-Curry 2, 4 w/ 1
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SG Results from 2013:
1. Best...........KOBE 18, Harden 17, Wade 2
2. Best in 5.....HARDEN 32, Oladipo-George 2, Waiters 1
3. Underrated.DEROZAN 5, Gordon 4, Butler-Lance 3, Hendrsn-Matthews-Thmpson 2, 11 w/ 1
4. Overrated...GORDON-ELLIS 7, JRSmith-Mayo 4, JJohnson-Manu 3, Green-Wade 2, 2 w/ 1
5. Young.........BEAL 19, Thompson 14, Waiters 3
6. Rookie........OLADIPO 28, McLemore 7, Datome-Muhammad 1
7. Athletic.......DEROZAN 9, GGreen 8 Iguodala 5, Ross 3, Shumpert 2, Seven w/ 1
8. Skilled........KOBE 28, Harden 6, Ginobili-Crawford 1
9. Leader........KOBE 24, Wade 7, TAllen 2, Harden-Billiups-RAllen 1
10. AllTime.....MJ 35 Unanimous, KOBE 34, WEST 13, Wade 11, Drexler 5, Tmac-AI 2, Baylor 1
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SG Results from 2012:

1. Best………...Bryant 27, Wade 8

2. Best in 5…...Harden 13, Gordon 7, Muhammad 5, KThompson-Mayo 2, Six Players 1

3. Underrated.. Ginobili 13, Martin 3 Ellis-Afflalo-Evans-Matthews 2, Eleven Players 1

4. Overrated…. JJohnson 10, Ellis 5, Gordon-Mayo 3, Wade-Martin 2, Ten Players 1

5. Best Young..Thompson 19, George 8, Hayward-Turner 2, Jimmer-Shumpert-Brooks 1

6. Rookie……...Beal 17, Lamb 13, Ross-Rivers 2, Waiters 1

7. Athletic……. Derozan 13, Wade 9, JRSmith 4, George-GGreen 3, Iguodala 1

8. Skilled……...Bryant 28, Ginobili 3, Wade 2, Harden-Turner 1

9. Leader…......Bryant 14, Terry-Wade, Ginobili 4, Roy 2, Iguodala-TAllen 1

10.AllTime........MJ 32, Bryant 32, West 15, Wade 9, Drexler 5, Miller-AI-Pistol 1

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2011 SG Results:

1. Best SG right now........... Wade 25, Kobe 9

2. Most Underrated............. E Gordon 12, K Martin 4, Ellis-Terry 3

3. Overrated....................... J Johnson 17, Ellis 9, Manu 3, Carter-Mayo 2

4. Best SG in 5 years......... Wade 10, Shabazz-Gordon 8, Harden 4

5. Best Young SG.............. Harden 15, Evans 13, Derozan 4

6. Best Rookie SG.............. Burks 17, Brooks 11, K Thompson 5

7. Most Athletic...................Wade 15, Derozan 14, JR Smith 2

8. Best Leader....................Kobe 22, Roy 4, R Allen 3, Manu-Wade 2

9. Top 2 All Time................ MJ unanimous, Kobe 32, West 3, Drexler 1


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1. Best Current SF? LEBRON 2.

1. Best Current SF? LEBRON

2. Best in 5 years? LEBRON- 34/35 years old, can't see age or injuries affecting him much

3. Most Underrated? IGGY- A lot of guys, Batum, Deng

4. Overrated? PARSONS- That's A LOT of cash he got

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? WIGGINS- Barnes next

6. Best Rookie? WIGGINS- Parker I got as a PF

7. Most Athletic? LEBRON

8. Most Skilled? LEBRON

9. Best Leader? LEBRON

10. Best All-Time? LEBRON

11. Favorite Current SF? LEBRON

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1. Best Curent- LeBron

1. Best Curent- LeBron James....

2. Best in 5 years- Kevin Durant....LeBron will be starting to slow down and Durant should be in the middle of his prime

3. Most Underrated- DeMar Derozan....He's a SF to me.

4. Most Overrated- Kawhi Leonard....Had an awesome Finals but want to see him do a lot more than what he has during the season.

5. Best young SF- Andrew Wiggins....Going to be a stud.

6. Best rookie- Andrew Wiggins....I too have Parker as a PF this year.

7. Most Athletic- LeBron....

8. Most Skilled- LeBron....

9. Best Leader- LeBron....

10. All-Time- LeBron....

11. Favorite current SF- Durant...

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1. Best Current SF? LeBron

1. Best Current SF? LeBron James

2. Best in 5 years? Giannis Antetokunmpo

3. Most Underrated? Luol Deng

4. Overrated? Carmelo Anthony

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Giannis Antetokounmpo

6. Best Rookie? Jabari Parker

7. Most Athletic? Andre Iguodala

8. Most Skilled? Tyreke Evans (Actually plays 1-3)

9. Best Leader? Kevin Durant

10. Best All-Time? LeBron James

11. Favorite Current SF? Rudy Gay

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I know these are your

I know these are your opinions but really?

Antetokunmpo better than Lebron and Durant in 5 years?

Iguodala more athletic than Lebron?

Tyreke more skilled than Lebron?

Durant the best leader when he can't even convince Westbrook to give him the ball?

Let's just say I disagree

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...Says the man who posts no

...Says the man who posts no list, but speaks on everyone else's.

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current - kevin durant 5

current - kevin durant

5 years - kevin durant

underrated - kevin durant

overrated - lebron james

best young - jabari parker (he'll play pf a lot to but better at sf)

best rookie - jabari parker

most athletic - lebron james

most skilled - kevin durant

best leader - lebron james

best all time - larry bird

favorite current - nicolas batum

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How can you call James the

How can you call James the most overrated and Durant the most underrated? James just might become the greatest SF of all time, if he isn't already. And Durant's considered the second best player in the world. How can the concensus choice for second best player in the world be underrated?

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The Prophet - I really like

The Prophet - I really like your list... although batum might be the most skilled (as he averages more steals, blocks, and assists). How is lebron a leader? A good leader is someone generally all his teammates love... I don't know of that's true for lebronbron is constantly apologizing to people.

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you make a great point, but i

you make a great point, but i can't help but notice that lebron's a coach on the floor. durant has just developed that in his dna along with the defense and handles at the rock.

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thank you for asking, i'm

thank you for asking, i'm going by my opinion on how i rank them going into next year. i say that both durant and lebron were not quite san antonio last year. durant is younger and improving at a higher rate. lebron's peak imo was season before last. durant was the best player in the league last year. i believe that okc will win it this year. i say lebron is overrated in the sense that so many people say he's the best player in the world and durant is underrated because so many people say durant is second simply putting lebron their when i don't agree. it's just my opinion though. as far as lebron being the best sf of all time, i say he is very close right behind larry bird if you want to count the career. i respect the lebron on top opinions though. hope that clears it up a bit, and i don't expect you to agree. overrated/underrated in the consensus stand point, but not necessarily over all rankings.

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1. Best Current SF? LeBron

1. Best Current SF? LeBron James, 48.8 percent on spot up threes last year. He is something else man.. Feeling you we might be watching the best player to ever touch a ball.

2. Best in 5 years? Ben Simmons (going bold)

3. Most Underrated? Luol Deng, dude does everything well and doesn't complain. Love him

4. Overrated? Rudy Gay (raps fan)

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Wiggins

6. Best Rookie? Wiggins is fired up

7. Most Athletic? Lebron lost a bit of weight.

8. Most Skilled? Lebron. Highest percentage in the paint and second from spot up 3s. Handles like a guard and best passer in the league.

9. Best Leader? Lebron James. Coordinates defenses

10. Best All-Time? LeBron James

11. Favorite Current SF? Gerald Wallace (favorite alltime player)

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LeBron James is an improved

LeBron James is an improved three-point shooter and he did shoot 48.8% on catch and shoot three-pointers, but he only attempted less than two per game... He attempted about two three-pointers off of the dribble and only shot 30.8%.

I think most of his improvement as a shooter has come in the mid-range, where he's pretty much a 39% shooter overall with a good enough sample size of shots. 39% isn't great, but it's probably above league average.

He's a respectable shooter, but is still streaky in my opinion. Majority of his damage is still in the paint, where he's the best in the league.

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Of the 166 players that took

Of the 166 players that took more than 100 spot up threes lebron was second behind Kyle Korver.. That not respectable that's elite, your first paragraph is inane.
But I totally agree with the midrange! he's been very up and down. Year to year he's been up and down going from average to really good, (few years ago he was statistically one of the best) he he's got the inside and outside down, but his midrange is a little shaky but hell nobody's perfect. Hopefully him and the rest of the league stop with this flopping garbage.

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LeBron averaged 0.8/1.6 on

LeBron averaged 0.8/1.6 on catch and shoot three-pointers per game. I mean, give him credit for making 48.8% of those shots he took, but that's such a small sample size compared to the best catch and shoot players in the league.

For example... Players like Klay Thompson shot 43.6% on 5.5 attempts.. . Wesley Matthews 41.9% on 5.1 attempts. Kyle Korver 49.9% on 4.8 attempts... Trevor Ariza 43.5% on 4.9 attempts... Paul George 43.8% on 4.1 attempts... JR Smith 46.2% on 4.7 attempts. I mean, you can just go down the list of players who are better... Carmelo Anthony, Aaron Afflalo, Marco Belinelli, Mike Miller, Damian Lillard... I mean, these guys doubled/tripled LeBron's attempts and shot over 40%.

I mean, LeBron averaged less than one catch and shoot three-pointer made per game lol. That's all I was saying. Yea, he made a high percentage, but that's extremely misleading. He's not on the same level as the best catch and shoot players in the league. Not even close actually.

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1. Lebron James 2. Kevin

1. Lebron James

2. Kevin Durant

3. Iggy

4. Lebron James

5. Jabari Parker

6. Jabari Parker

7. Lebron James

8. Kevin Durant

9. Lebron James

10. Larry Bird

11. Kevin Durant

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1. Best Current SF? Lebron

1. Best Current SF? Lebron

2. Best in 5 years? KD

3. Most Underrated? Iguodala

4. Overrated? Gay

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Parker

6. Best Rookie? Parker

7. Most Athletic? Paul George (healthy) has some nice 360 windmills, etc...

8. Most Skilled? Lebron

9. Best Leader?Lebron

10. Best All-Time? Lebron

Favorite SF? KD... UT fan, favorite player since

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1. Current - Lebron 2. 5

1. Current - Lebron

2. 5 years - Durant

3. Underrated - Same answer from me last couple years, Batum

4. Overrated - Nick Young

5. Best young - Parker

6. Best rookie - Parker

7. Athletic - Wiggins

8. Skilled - Lebron

9. Leader - Kawhi....leads by example

10. All-time - Larry Legend

11. Favorite - Iguodala

I'm pissed b/c my SG post was triggering spam, couldn't vote

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1.Current-Lebron 2. 5

1.Current-Lebron

2. 5 years-Durant

3.Underrated-Parsons

4.Overrated-Deng

5.Best Young-Jabari Parker

6.Best Rookie-Jabari Parker

7.Athletic-Wiggins

8.Skilled-Durant

9.Leader-LeBron

10Alltime-Lebron

11.Favorite-Durant

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Here's mine part 3

1.LeBron James
2.Kevin Durant
3.Nicolas Batum
4.Carmelo Anthony
5.Giannis Antetokounmpo
6.Jabari Parker
7.LeBron James
8.Lebron James
9.Lebron James
10.Larry Bird
11.Harrison Barnes(same birthday as me)

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Yeah not sure how anyone is

Yeah not sure how anyone is picking someone other than Durant as the best in 5 years.

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Lebron in one of the greatest

Lebron in one of the greatest players ever. Not hard to imagine he could be the best at his position in 5 years at 34.

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1. Best SF now? Durant2. In

1. Best SF now? Durant

2. In 5 years? Paul George

3. Most underrated? P.j. Tucker

4. Most overrated? Lebron James

5. Best young sf?

6. Bedt rookie sf? Jabari Parker

7. Most athletic? Lebr

8. Most skilled? Batum

9. Bedt leader? 10. Best all time? 11. Favorite?

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My choices

1. Best Current SF? LeBron James - The things this guy does is on another level. From FG% to his assist and rebounds number

2. Best in 5 years? Paul George - Yes you may say this is bias and it will only be if he comes back healthy from this injury. Thing is he has been to the ECF twice as the "leader" of the Pacers at age 22 & 23. He puts up 20+ a night whilst locking into the best scorer on the other team more often than not. He will be 29 and will be at the apex of still being athletic with having an even greater understanding of the game. If the injiry plagues him I would go with Durant.

3. Most Underrated? Gordon Hayward - He struggled being the number 1 option, but in fairness didnt have a lot of help. He is more athletic than people give him credit for, can score and facilitate and is an above average defender.

4. Overrated? Kawhi Leonard - The kid is good, but until we see him in a situation consistently where he is the guy in SA I just can't call him great. Time will tell, but people are amping up a bit much.

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? The Greek Freak - Looks amazing on court and loaded with potential, he and Wiggins will be fun to watch grow.

6. Best Rookie? Andrew Wiggins - Love what Minny has going, also I believe Parker will be playimg PF for the Bucks.

7. Most Athletic? LeBron James - Still a freak athlete, will be interesting to see what this lighter version can do.

8. Most Skilled? LeBron James - No explanation needed

9. Best Leader? LeBron James - There aren't a lot of great leaders at SF position, but LeBron has influence so he is hard deny. Look for George to grow in this role.

10. Best All-Time? Larry Bird and LeBron James I cant decide.

11. Favorite Current SF? Paul George

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1. Best Current SF? Lebron 2.

1. Best Current SF? Lebron

2. Best in 5 years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Nic Batum

4. Overrated? Rudy Gay

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Harrison Barnes

6. Best Rookie? TJ Warren

7. Most Athletic? Lebron

8. Most Skilled? Lebron

9. Best Leader? Lebron

10. Best All-Time? Larry Bird, but Lebron's getting there

11. Favorite Current SF? Kawhi Leonard

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BIG EDIT

Best Rookie: Jabari

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It baffles me that some of

It baffles me that some of you guys are picking Jabari and Wiggins at the best young SF category and they have yet to play a single game yet.

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1) Lebron 2) Durant 3) Jeff

1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Jeff Taylor(when healthy)
4) Kawhi Leonard(great year but that has catapulted him to a level in many minds beyond what he is right now)
5) Andrew Wiggins(nope he hasn't played but I've never left the bandwagon and not going to here)
6) Andrew Wiggins
7) Lebron(others close but don't have the strength to go with it)
8) Kevin Durant(just looks a bit smoother but it's a toss up between he and LBJ)
9) Lebron
10) Lebron(think only argument is rings)
11) Durant

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1. Best Current SF: Kevin

1. Best Current SF: Kevin Durant

2. Best in 5 years : Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated : Batum

4. Overrated : Melo

5. Best Young SF : Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

6. Best Rookie : Wiggins

7. Most Athletic : LBJ

8. Most Skilled : Kevin Durant

9. Best Leader : LBJ

10. Best All-Time : Bird/LBJ/Pippen
11. Favorite Current SF : Batum

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1. Best Current SF-

1. Best Current SF- James

2.Best in 5 years- Durant

3. Most Underrated- BAtum

4. Overrated- Parsons

5. Best Young SF- Leonard

6. Best Rookie- Wiggins

7. Most Athletic- Lebron

8. Most Skilled- Lebron

9.Best Leader- Pierce

10.Best All time- James, Bird, Dr J

11. Lebron

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1. Best Current SF? LeBron

1. Best Current SF? LeBron James

2. Best in 5 years? Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? Nicolas Batum

4. Overrated? Rudy Gay

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Harrison Barnes

6. Best Rookie? Jabari Parker

7. Most Athletic? LeBron James

8. Most Skilled? LeBron James

9. Best Leader? LeBron James

10. Best All-Time? Larry Bird

11. Favorite Current SF? Paul George

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SFs

1. Best Current SF? LeBron

2. Best in 5 years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Gordon Hayward

4. Overrated? Jabari Parker

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Giannis Antetokounmpo

6. Best Rookie? Wiggins

7. Most Athletic? Wiggins

8. Most Skilled? LeBron

9. Best Leader? LeBron

10. Best All-Time? LeBron

11. Favourite Current SF? LeBron

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1. Best Current SF? LeBron

1. Best Current SF? LeBron James

2. Best in 5 years? heck. Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? Kawhi Leonard/Rudy Gay

4. Overrated? Kawhi Leonard/Rudy Gay

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Andrew Wiggins

6. Best Rookie? Jabari Parker

7. Most Athletic? Andrew Wiggins

8. Most Skilled? LeBron James

9. Best Leader? LeBron James. Umm, he leads the entire LEAGUE.

10. Best All-Time? Larry Bird. Still has one more ring than LeBron. If you consider Bird, LeBron, and Elgin Baylor as "power forwards in power forwards bodies" then I will go with Dr. J. -- the original athletic small forward out of central casting.

11. Favorite Current SF? Rudy Gay

Kawhi Leonard is underrated if you look at last year's regular season stats for a guy who didn't make the all star team. Kawhi is OVERRATED if you are calling him the next Scottie Pippen after his virtuoso Finals appearance. Even though, Kawhi had a PRIME Pippenesque run of games. The length is there, the D is there, the nasty dunks are there, HUGE HANDS, rebounds, with a BETTER outside shooting touch. Although Kawhi doesn't have Pip's playmaking skills. But, Kawhi is the same age/stage of his career as Scottie was at Central Arkansas or as a rookie. So, we will see what happens.

Rudy Gay is OVERRATED if you are comparing him to LeBron/Durant or maybe even Carmelo. He is UNDERRATED if you think pre-injury Paul George was underrated.

Ok, LeBron has "probably" passed Larry Bird, but at this stage of the game it's all about RINGS. Ok, Dr. J also has three titles if you include his two ABA rings.

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Kawhi Leonard and Rudy Gay

Kawhi Leonard and Rudy Gay both over and underrated?

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Small Forwards

1. Best curent- LBJ

2. Best in 5 years- KD

3. Most underrated- Iggy

4. Most overrated- Melo

5. Best young- Wiggins

6. Best rookie- Wiggins

7. Most athletic- LBJ

8. Most skilled- KD

9. Best leader- LBJ

10. All-time- LBJ

11. Favourite- Iggy

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Current- lbj5 years-

Current- lbj

5 years- durant

underrated- kawhi (finals MVP yet not even top 5by espn rank)

overrated- parsons/hayward (dudes are making ELITE cash)

young- giannis

rookie- wiggins

athletic-lbj

skilled- pierce

leader- pierce

top 3 all time-- bird/lbj/pippen

favorite-iggy

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Best All-Time????? I'm not old enough to judge.

1. Best Current SF? LeBron James

2. Best in 5 years? Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? Nicolas Batum (slightly bias)

4. Overrated? Rudy Gay

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)? Giannis

6. Best Rookie? Andrew Wiggins

7. Most Athletic? LeBron James

8. Most Skilled? LeBron James

9. Best Leader? LeBron James

10. Best All-Time????? I'm not old enough to judge.

11. Favorite Current SF? Kawhi Leonard

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1. best in nba? Lebron 2.

1. best in nba? Lebron

2. Best in 5 years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Hayward

4. Overrated? Gay

5. Best Young SF (2 yrs or less exp. in league)?

6. Best Rookie? Wiggins

7. Most Athletic? Lebron

8. Most Skilled? Durant

9. Best Leader? Lebron

10. Best All-Time? so close i say Bird for another year

11. favorite? Hayward

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Why does everyone think Rudy

Why does everyone think Rudy Gay is overrated? I thought being overrated meant people valued you more than they should, whereas the only comments I ever hear about Rudy is how people think he is overpaid and washed up.

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SAY NO MORE! "11. Favorite

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"11. Favorite Current SF? Rudy Gay"

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