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Vonleh thoughts.

Don't know too much about this guy but fell in love with his measurements. Not an above average athlete but by no means a slouch in that department. I like that he's put on considerable strength the last few years which reflects well on his work ethic. Wondering how many people have him above Randle and what sort of career could he project to having.

While Randle is a very intriguing prospect I would take Vonleh ahead of him. Guess I like wingspan as much as Bilas.

With all that said I still think Randle could be the best player from this draft... But with so many great offensive guys in the league I want a glue guy to defend and rebound.

If anyone has followed him closely could shed some light on his strengths and weakness I'd be very appreciative.


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hmm

I'm not a mindreader, so I wouldn't know nothing about "Vonleh's thoughts". aha just messin with you but he's fairly raw but like you mentioned his measurables get a lot of people in a rut. His length will allow him to be a rim protector in the league but he needs to refine his skills specifically his post moves. Probably will need to be stronger to compete with PF/C's in the league as well.

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He got injured late in the year...

Also, his team didn't make the tourney so it's hard to access him in pressure situations... We kill Embiid for being injured, Jabari and Wiggins for having terrible games in the tourney, but he gets a pass...

His last 2 games of the season were terrible... But I think majority of that is because of his coach (and him coming back from injury) rather than his abilities... It's still worth noting... I'm a Randle fan so I might be a little bias with this... I just think Noah will be another semi-athletic PF in the league... We all have a couple players in this draft we think will not be that good as others think they will... For me it's Exum and Noah... But we'll see...

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Noah Vonleh is an above

Noah Vonleh is an above average athlete. A 37" inch vertical for 250 lbs is above average IMO.

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I feel you, but

Harrison Barnes posted a 39.5' vert and we barely see it in his game... (Did you watch how awful he was in the slam dunk contest?)... Noah just doesn't play with that explosiveness... That's what I meant by that... My bad...

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I agree with the Noah on that, but if you've seen Exum play a game you would know he is the truth. I think Vonleh, Gordon, and LaVine will be those players; people assume athleticism is the end all be all but in reality there are much more important things in basketball than a vertical leap.

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Yea that's my problem

I haven't seen too much of him against decent talent... I've seen highlights and games versus guys who wouldn't be top D1 players... If you guys have footage of him outside of that world game please send it my way... I've been watching a lot of these kids games the last couple of days... Even took a look at some old Syracuse games to see if Jabari was just as good as Melo coming out of 1 year in college.... So, please if you have more footage of Exum give me the link...

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Vonleh

I'm not sold on him right now, he doesn't have drop dead/explosive athleticism that would allow him to rely on it at the next level and he doesn't yet have the skills to fall back on. Most of his game in college relied on dribbling slowly into the paint/backing down a smaller defender then collecting the ball taking his time and settling for baby hooks and layups. It's not going to be as easy for him to do that at the next level. That said I think he will be a very serviceable rebounder and post defender at the next level and he has shown some ability to hit the wide open jumpshot (with a very slow release) when he takes it so there is some potential there, I just don't see the lottery draw..

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Indiana didn't have the guard

Indiana didn't have the guard play to get him many easy baskets either though. Had to work for everything. His conference play 3 PT% was 60% I think, thats encouraging.

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Yea but he took only 33

of them the entire year... Add the fact they were all WIDE open... I don't even think he's a 40% 3pt shooter... That 48% for the year is very misleading... Also, I'm not buying the guard stuff... I've watched him not be in position for the ball or fumble passes away... Maybe I'm over analyzing him though... IDK

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Sudden

He isn't a sudden athlete that can go from 0 to 60 in a split second but I think a lot is there if you want to take time to groom him. A good big men coach and some time behind a solid vet at his position while getting about 15-20 mins a night would do wonders for his growth.

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When are we gonna stop

When are we gonna stop falling in love with these PF/C prospects who don't dominate playing PF or C in college? I think he'll probably end up going the way of Thomas Robinson, Jordan Hill or Derrick Williams.

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Those guys are light weights

Those guys are light weights compared to Vonleh though, he won't manhandled in the post like they do.

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Vonleh's measurements are

Vonleh's measurements are nice, but I see him as either being a decent pro or a bust. I just dont see superstar potential. Now with Randle, I see a guy with superstar potential who can dominate a game.

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But he didn't in the

But he didn't in the tournament, not once, was pretty passive. So if you can't dominate college kids what precedence is there for dominating nba men?

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You talking about Randle being passive?

Did you watch the tourney? If so, what particular game are you refering to? I ask because he was getting doubled teamed and sometimes tripled teamed all game... Especially versus U of M... I'm sorry I just don't agree with that...

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That's life in the post in

That's life in the post in college ball. You will always be facing double teams due to the short three point line. Every player has to deal with it. He wasn't getting doubled when he caught it on the perimter and asked to be a playmaker. Again he was solid, about season average of 15 and 10, I don't consider that "dominant".

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I love his huge handspan.

I love his huge handspan. Great for rebounding and catching tough passes such as Alley Oops and bullet passes in traffic.

Apparently biggest handspan at the combine. Same as Kawhi Leonard!

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Ya the handspan and wingspan

Ya the handspan and wingspan are what impressed me most. Greg Smith the former Rocket I think had 12 inch mits, but look at his career. I like what little I've seen of Vonleh. Seems most people have Randle ahead of him and I can't argue with that. Appreciate the insight everyone.

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He did a lot of things that

He did a lot of things that didn't really show up on paper. I value pick and roll defenders in today's league very highly, and when they have the foundation of an offensive game, well, that's just icing on the cake.

Vonleh's mobility and agility switching off screens, sliding laterally, and containing quicker ball handlers off P/R swithches is really nice. With the best players in the league being versitile wings, having big men that can move well enough to switch off and not be a big bullseye for a SF don't come along all that often. In this draft, having Embiid, Vonleh, and Payne available is a premium.

He's not super polished, but a P/R defender ( who has the ability to develop into an elite one ), who's big and strong enough to protect the rim, AND can shoot an 18 footer...I think a player like Vonleh can find a lot of success in the NBA style of play.

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I'm with you and understand your context, but

That's something a role player can take care of... I'm not sure if that's enough for me to take him above another player unless it's a tie... Things like that are effort plays for me which can change in the league even for emotional College players... Ala Westbrook being a defensive stopper... Being able to contain the ball on a pick and roll and hedging is the "icing on the cake" not the other way around... Would you pick Haslem top 8 of the draft??

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No, I wouldn't take Haslem

No, I wouldn't take Haslem top 8, but I'd take Joakim Noah top 4.

Vonleh is damn near as big as a center at 6'9.5'' in shoes, a 7'4.5'' wingspan and a 9'+ standing reach, also a pretty sturdy 237 lbs and as good of an athlete as Derrick Favors was at the same age. Haslem was 6'7.75'' in shoes and less athletic. Honestly, if you look at the 02' draft, if teams had to re-do it with the info known now, Haslem might be top 12. I think Vonleh's impact will be much greater because of his size, and athletic ability.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2002.html

There was this big trend on this site a few years ago when Jo Noah's rookie scale contract was up, that he was just a role player and not worth the money he would get on the market. My main arguement was that he's a role player, but he's an elite role player. Now 2 or 3 years later he's got MVP votes, but he's still a complimentary player.

There's plenty of really really good players that are viewed as role players, but if they're their team's 3rd leading scorer, leading rebounder, and defensive ace, you're right...they're probably not viewed as a star, but a lot of them do grow from being a role player to something greater.

Now, I'm not comparing Vonleh to Noah. Noah has more intagables, but I think Vonleh can be an elite role player, who does end up making an All-Star team or two because of his ability to effect the game in multiple ways. I think Vonleh can have prime seasons of 17-18 ppg 10 rpg 1.5 bpg and a great pick and roll defender. I think he can be an elite role player, but the icing is that I think his jumper will allow him to be more than your typical 10/10 defensive player who lives off garbage buckets. He'll get those, but again, I think he can score 17 or 18 points per game in his prime. That's pretty damn good for your ace P/R defender.

That's kind of my thoughts behind that last statement.

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