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You just totally made up

You just totally made up whatever the hell popped in your mind. All made up and untrue. Parker played on Maccabi mid earlu mid 200s era. FASTEST yeam of Euroleague modern history. Playing a faster pace then NA, for sure than Raptors or Cavs.

It was like Phoenix Subns of the Euroelague. All they did the whole game was up and down the court and score like crazy. Parker was used off the ball as a stand stil 3 point shooter and slasher (believe it or not years ago he WAS athletic)..............Same role or even less in the NBA.

The same role he has in the Cavs, only 6-8 years ago he was more athketic by a lot and could slash more. In the Raptors he had a BIGGER offensive role than he did in Maccabi. The Raptors often ised him as a point forward type of player. He often ran their offense.

He had a BIGGER role on offense in Toronto than in Maccabi. And the guy was playing MORE MINUTES in Euroleague. Gee, shocking................the guy plays in a team that was faster pace than most NBA teams, like the Suns Dantoni style, plays 35 minutes a game, and OMG he was scoring like 15-16 points a game, back then when the league's biggest budget was 10 million euros?

OMG! Yeah, when "big clubs", many had 3-5 million euros budgets, and today the smallest budge in the whole leafue is 4 million euros?

Put down the crack pipe.

As for Langdon. He was a star at Duke, was a rotation player for 3 years in the NBA...........he was no "scrub" even though jack ass Americans make up such lies. Langdon was used a spot up shooter and team defender in CSKA.

I repeat, he used as a spot up shooter and team defender in CSKA. Plauyers in CSKA who were better than him, while he played there:

Papaloukas, Siskauskas, Smodis, Andersen, Khryapa, Lorbek. 6 players that were better than him in CSKA, during the time he played there.

He was never more than the 4th best player on CSKA at any given time, and was anywhere from the 4th to 6th best player on the team from season to season.. He was the 4th best player on CSKA most of the years. Hell, what a shocker, a guy that was like a 6-7 man in the NBA, at his early career, was a top 4 player on his team in his prime in the Euroleague. It's literally astonishing.

They won the Euroleague in 2006 - he averaged 13 points game. They won the Euroleague in 2008 - he averaged 13 points a game. OMG what an incredible BEAST that "dominated"!

Langdon was a very good role player in CSKA. But he was sure the hell no dominant player. He spent the whole game playing off the ball and shooting jumpers off the penetration and kick outs of other players and coming off screens. He was like a JJ Redick type of player in CSKA, but more consistent. And personally, to me he was a BETTER player in Euroleague than Parker was. Parker played in the run and gun all offense Maccabi and his stats were hugely inflated.

Of course, you are not interested in facts. You just want to make the Euroleague look bad. So you just make up whatever BS comes to your mind, when you obviously have never even seen a Euroleague game. It's nice to know NBA fans are still such Euroleague gurus, despite never seeing it.

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Just like I thought

Picked up on the Parker and Langdon stuff, nothing about what I said dealing with LeBron, Wade or Rose. Parker's stats may have been inflated, but Euroleague seemed to think he was pretty effing awesome. Plus, while Trajan Langdon won a Euroleague championship, Parker won two, regardless of what style of basketball they were playing.

Why should the style of play matter if you win a championship? Does making an All-Decade Team not make you a superstar? Does being a two time league MVP not make you a superstar? Seems like you are not giving someone enough credit. By the way, Trajan Langdon averaged 5.4 ppg on 41.6% FG. He played three years on Cavs teams that averaged 30 wins per season. Parker was a valuable player for Toronto and Cleveland, but was he an MVP of the entire league? A top 10 player of the decade (not by the fans, who of course voted for 9 European players and an American that never left for the NBA)? Don't think so man of many excuses and little accountability.

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I just find it amusing that

I just find it amusing that he doesn't watch NCAA basketball and assumes everyone in Europe is better and more deserving of a higher draft pick and gets furious with members of this forum who don't watch Euroleague and assume NCAA basketball players are all better and more deserving of a higher draft pick.

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Some method to his hypocrisy

But, the thing is, he groups everyone together. If he had any notion of actually teaching people about the best European players, than this would all be fine. However, people have tried to reach out to this guy before and he has a never ending grudge. You could honestly say, "You know what European Baller, you are right about everything." He would reply, "No I am not you stupid NBA loving swine!" Just an objectionable troll of a poster who has no real want or ability to be anything but smug and condescending, no matter how you approach him. Such is European Baller.

Joe, you remember the guarantee, right? Kept him away for a while, but I guess the Olympics is bringing him back to predict some more.

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I don't think EuroBaller is a

I don't think EuroBaller is a troll. Troll implies that someone is intentially posting BS. I think that EuroBaller actually believes the BS he posts. He is just way overly biased in favor of European players.

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Oh, I remember...cue Hulk

Oh, I remember...cue Hulk Hogan's theme song from the 1980's

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^Wrong thread I assume.

^Wrong thread I assume.

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I love how often you say how

I love how often you say how us "Americans" are ignorant and biased against the Euro league.

The ONLY thing you are proving is how ignorant and biased you are against the NBA!

Take a seat.

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OH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!! I just

OH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!

I just got back from the race track, cracked open my Natty Light tall boy, logged on to this site and had to see this Euro BS!!!!!

I can't wait til Scotte Reynolds emerges as the next Avridas Sabonis!! I LOOOOOOOVEEEEE seeing my Merican' boys tearing it up and that's what Scottie boy is doing!! He's barely trying and averaging 17 ppg this season in Turkey. I can't WAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIT til he gets and American flag tattooed on his face next year and drops 38 ppg 11 rpg 18 apg a night! He's going to do it and ALLLLLLLLLL you morons who don't believing in American's having success in Euroleague are going to eat an American hamburger with pizza for a bun and my big ol' turd in the middle. F!!!!!!!! U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am a real American, fight for the rights of everyman, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for our lives!

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EUROPEAN BALLER Durant?

EuropeanBaller, I see what you are saying about Rose and LeBron and I agree, not the degree but still agree. I think they would be hindered tremendously by those rules, but I think after getting used to them they would still be very good. Maybe not completely dominate like here, but still great players.

But what about Kevin Durant? He is my favorite player and he is all skill. He does not need all these rules and favoritism that Rose and LeBron do. I believe that Durant would actually be a STAR if he played in Europe. I think his skills and game would actually fit well, and with his deadly shot and his ability to get it off over anyone, I think he would be a great scorer. Do you agree?

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Oops, wrong thread :)

Oops, wrong thread :)

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I don't think EuroBaller is a

I don't think EuroBaller is a troll. Troll implies that someone is intentially posting BS. I think that EuroBaller actually believes the BS he posts. He is just way overly biased in favor of European players.

I agree. He puts way to much work into his posts and they are way to long and detailed to be from a troll. He actually believes the BS he posts.

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I'm just glad our savior

I'm just glad our savior American_Baller is back.

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EuropeanBaller, I see what

EuropeanBaller, I see what you are saying about Rose and LeBron and I agree, not the degree but still agree. I think they would be hindered tremendously by those rules, but I think after getting used to them they would still be very good. Maybe not completely dominate like here, but still great players.

But what about Kevin Durant? He is my favorite player and he is all skill. He does not need all these rules and favoritism that Rose and LeBron do. I believe that Durant would actually be a STAR if he played in Europe. I think his skills and game would actually fit well, and with his deadly shot and his ability to get it off over anyone, I think he would be a great scorer. Do you agree?

I agree. Durant would do fine. And I never said LeBron would not be good. I said he would be like a super version of what Childress was there. I was merely disputing the claim others here are making that leBron, and especially Rose (mainly him) would "totally dominate Euroleague". They most definitely would not, and the NBA fans that think so just don't get basketball.

So yes, I believe that we are in agreement.

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I just find it amusing that

I just find it amusing that he doesn't watch NCAA basketball and assumes everyone in Europe is better and more deserving of a higher draft pick and gets furious with members of this forum who don't watch Euroleague and assume NCAA basketball players are all better and more deserving of a higher draft pick.

I watch NCAA. Not that much during the year before the NCAA Tournament, maybe 5-6 games. But I always watch the NCAA Tournament.

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Picked up on the Parker and

Picked up on the Parker and Langdon stuff, nothing about what I said dealing with LeBron, Wade or Rose. Parker's stats may have been inflated, but Euroleague seemed to think he was pretty effing awesome. Plus, while Trajan Langdon won a Euroleague championship, Parker won two, regardless of what style of basketball they were playing.

Why should the style of play matter if you win a championship? Does making an All-Decade Team not make you a superstar? Does being a two time league MVP not make you a superstar? Seems like you are not giving someone enough credit. By the way, Trajan Langdon averaged 5.4 ppg on 41.6% FG. He played three years on Cavs teams that averaged 30 wins per season. Parker was a valuable player for Toronto and Cleveland, but was he an MVP of the entire league? A top 10 player of the decade (not by the fans, who of course voted for 9 European players and an American that never left for the NBA)? Don't think so man of many excuses and little accountability.

Exactly. You just don't get it. You have this warped sense of reality of Euroleague. These players "dominated there". No, they did NOT. You can't grasp it, because you don't watch the Euroleague. So you just make up nonsense about so and so "dominated there".

It really is ridiculous. I mean, if Parker dominated Euroleague, then what the hell did someone like Bodoriga do? I mean, according to you parker must have been the best player there, so then how the hell do you explain that Bodiroga was universally regarded as the best player in the league during that time?

I will tell you how you come up with this. Because NBA only fan book 101 states that whenever the Euroleague comes up you are supposed to bring up Wilkins, McAdoo, Parker, langdon, and Jasikevicius. Because that's the extent of your "knowledge" and becayse that's NBA only fan trolling of the Euroleague 101.

Seriously.............I am not sure if parker would even make a top 10 list of just American players in Euroleague, let alone all players. Again, Parker's role in the Raptors as BIGGER than his role in Maccabi. USE SOME LOGIC. Are you capable of this? Are you? If he was "dominant in the Euroelague", then he must have also been dominant in the NBA. Because he had a bigger role in the offense with the Raptors.

But, you are claiming he was dominant with a smaller role on his team, and was a "mere role player" on the club where he had the bigger role in his team's offense. What you are claiming is completely ilogical and yet you not only can't grasp it, but you act like anyone explaining it to you is nuts.

Again...............Parker was a 15 point guy in the Euroelague and the next year was doing 15 a game in the NBA playoffs. Langdon was the 4th best player on CSKA in his years there (except in one year he was the 6th best player).

The 4th best player on a team is NOT "dominant". But you keep making these crazy assertions. And yet, you clearly never saw the Euroleague, because you would realize how crazy it is to say Langdon dominated Euroelague. Yeah, and JJ Redick dominated the NBA too.

Because Langdon in Euroleague is pretty much Redick in the NBA. Just that he was on a team that won 2 championships, being the 4th best player on those teams.

Hey, do me a favor, make a thread claiming that the 4th best player on all NBA title teams "dominated the NBA"...............and let's see how well that goes over for you. Because that's the BS you are posting here about the Euroleague.

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Maybe "dominate" is a strong word

But, Parker did really well. He was respected by his peers as one of the better players. I even remember my friend telling me (which is about as much documented proof as you have for most quotes), "I don't need to play against Kobe Bryant, I have played against Anthony Parker." I have never claimed to be a Euroleague expert, find anything I have written that says otherwise. I will say, I study league histories and that the first statistic that comes up on the Euroleague site is "Index Rating". Just a question, do you find this to be at least a decent statistic? I think it has its flaws, but Euroleague seems to feel it has importance.

Anthony Parker had three of the top 10 Index Ratings of the last decade from 2003-06. You could say his statistics were inflated, but that is pretty impressive. Plus, just because I say Parker was doing well, does not mean I felt that Dejan Bodiroga was not also awesome. If you say Vassillis Spanoulis is great, I don't automatically assume Ricky Rubio is bad (until you say of course, Ricky Rubio is bad).

In 2004-05, Maccabi did score more points than any other Euroleague team since 2000, with 2209. Anthony Parker had 431 points, so that makes up 19.5% of the teams total. The 2006-07 Play-offs, as you keep bringing up he was more valuable to his team, he scored 91 points in 6 games where the Raptors scored 545 points. So, he scored 16.6% of the Raps total points. If you go by the regular season, he had 12.2% of his teams points (taking into account the games he missed). I guess you would not call Chris Bosh "dominant" and he had 22.7% that year.

So, while I realize there is a lot more to basketball than scoring, I think that this proves you and I both wrong in certain ways. Parker may indeed not have "dominated", but he appears to have played incredibly well. I for one still believe that LeBron James and Derrick Rose both would play incredibly well, due to their strength, speed and athletic gifts. Say what you will about them travelling or their overall skill set, but both of these players have worked on their complete games and outside shooting. LeBron has shot really well from international three point range and his defense is fantastic at any level.

One thing I will say is, it seems like you are wrong about Parkers impact in the NBA as compared to Euroleague. You can say that other players were better than him in Euroleague, that he might not be in the top 10 Americans, but he definitely was never in the top Americans in the NBA. I am not sure if he would even make the list if you included him in the top 10 internationals, but he won two championships and was voted a 2 time MVP.

I guess my question would be, why not make a list of who you feel would be the top players in Euroleague, than who you would feel the top NBA players if they were to play in Euroleague? Than we would maybe have some idea of where you rank certain players, because right now it is difficult to guage. Plus, I would really like to know why Nikola Pekovic is a better center than Dwight Howard. Saying this out of peace and trying to be open minded.

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The Euroleague is GREAT! By

The Euroleague is GREAT!

By that, I mean it's a GREAT place to go if you can't make it in the NBA, and you still want to make some money playing basketball.

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Rose

It really doesn't sound like you've seen him play if you think his game is based entirely on getting foul calls? If anything, his ability to penetrate and spread the floor would work BETTER in the European game.

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