Utah loves Jabari and Cleveland needs help other then Kyrie. The perfect trade Cleveland gets: Enes Kanter and 5th pick Utah gets: 1st pick Tyler Zeller Cleveland does the trade to get a good prospect Center in Enes Kanter who I think can be a 18-8 player in the league and the 5th pick can be used on Aaron Gordan to fill the small forward spot. Cleveland needs the right coach Mark Jackson and a 8 man team of Kyrie Irving J.Jack Dion Waiters Anthony Bennett Aaron Gordan Tristian Thompson Enes Kanter Andy V.
Utah does it to get the Great Mormon hope by any means, last year showed that Enes Kanter and Derrick a Favors can't play together in today's NBA. They alread picked which guy they prefer in Favors so throw him at Center, draft Jabari to be the 4 and resign Hayward. Their core looks a lot better with
Isn't Derrick Favors an unrestriced FA? Just wondering...
I was listening until you said the Cavs can draft Gordon at 5 to play the small forward. That would be the dumbest move Cavs could make. They just drafted an undersized 4 (Bennett) thinking he could play the 3. Gordon is not a 3 and won't be anytime soon if ever. I'm an Arizona fan and I watched every game. Gordon can defend the 3 and that's it, offensively he's much too raw. You could have said anyone but Gordon and I would have considered it.
@Christebas Favors signed a 4 year 49 million deal last summer
Actually not a bad trade for Cleveland. But I think they may have to get another player or pick in that deal. Hayward, burks, or next years #1. Cleveland needs a big badly so Kanter makes sense and he seems ready to breakout but #1 overall picks don't come cheap.
The cavs need shooting and wing help also, but I think Anthony Bennett will get more time and produce next year, therefore Hayward could help with the shooting aspect.
You said I could of named anybody but Gordon well name another Small Forward that's their at 5 that deserves to be picked that high???
The talent drop off is too big to go from #1 to #5 and only receive Kanter in return. Kanter + #5 doesn't seem like enough to get Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid to me. If it was #4 and we knew one of Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, or Exum would be there it might be different. I think the Cavs keep it and have to nail it though since they have missed in the recent years.
Hayward is a restricted free agent he would have to do a sign and trade and Kanter-Hayward-5th pick is too big a price tag for Jabari.
I can't name a small forward that should go at 5 but neither can you, you named an undersized power forward which the Cavs already have. So congrats, you've convinced me it's a bad idea in the first place. But it was a hypothetical so no love loss.
I think you have a reasonable idea. I think everyone is just a little to eager to separate 1 and 5. I think the initial thought was that the top 3 were a big step above, but Exum and Vonleh are gaining a lot of steam. There is a chance Vonleh goes 4 to Orlando. If Cleveland got Exum and Kanter that to me would be better than Wiggins unless wiggins becomes T-Mac heavy and Kanter and Exum disapoint. I can see Kanter as an all-star in the east at some point and Exum as a multi-time all star. That is a good deal.
Truth is, most GMs would probably rather have Kanter and Exum than Parker since that is who the Jazz would likely take.
Lot of folks here are a little to eager to neg a reasonable trade idea. I am a Jazz fan and actually would rather have Vonleh and trade Kanter for a 6-8 pick this year to add a guard/wing than do what you suggested, but I do see a lot of merit in the idea for both sides.
Lastly, if Exum is gone there is a bit of challenge, because Vonleh is too redundant, so they would have to do some additional work on the roster fit that is already without balance.
I think it's a solid trade and if their is no small forward available in the draft trade Dion Waiters and select Marcus Smart. Marcus would be perfect next to Kyrie and they can get a good small forward for Waiters ( Harrison Barnes, MKG, Gallinari, Thad Young, Terrance Ross type players to compliment their roster. Every trade doesn't have to be a blockbuster star for star some teams might want roll players. A Dion Waiters for Kyle Korver might even work.
As a Jazz fan I really like Kanter and think he will continue to improve and be at least an 18 and 10 guy but he and Favors did stuggle last year, getting Parker or Wiggins would be expensive and Kanter and 5 with maybe GS's 2017 1st round pick is all I would be willing to give. If we can't move up and get Parker or Wiggins we should move down alittle and try to get more assets and still get a Gordon or Saric . The Jazz don't have alot of players to offer in trades, they have Kanter, Burks, Burke, Favors and Gobert, Hayward could be included but is a RFA. I like our young core, so I hope they don't tear it all apart, at least not yet.
Philly takes Exum or Vonleh 5th while adding Enes Kanter in the middle and only ask that Noel crash the glass, still holding onto the 10th pick for The BPA
I think Exum falls past Orlando who I fell have to choose a PF to groom next Vucevic, Randle makes a ton of sense as they'll resemble the Memphis frontline of Randolph and Gasol, not to mention they can draft Elfrid Payton/Tyler Ennis or even Marcus Smart @12 (he were to slip somehow?)
Hell I think Orlando can package the 12th and Mo Harkless for the draft rights to Marcus Smart (The Lakers need to fill a few positions and Payton and Harkless could be a nice haul for the 7th pick, maybe Affalo+12 for Smart)
Imagine the Magic with a lineup of
Pg-Ennis/Payton(12th overall) or Smart(via trade with Lakers for 7th overall)
Pf-Julius Randle(4th overall)
while LA has
BPA @ 12 could be as could as the 7th pick Marcus Smart
Kobe for 2-3 years
Mo Harkless maybe breaks out
Greg Monroe (RFA)
Potentially sign Melo too???
Kanter will be a great offensive player soon. He is working on three point shooting this summer with Mehmet Okur. Drawing the opposing center out would let Kyrie and Dion slash all day. Kanter can also punish smaller defenders in the post though, which would keep teams honest from going to small. It's just a matter if Cleveland likes Exum or Vonleh enough at 5.