Utah scout, David Locke, is not impressed by Jonas Valanciunas
I just read a scouting report on the Jazz website about Jonas Valanciunas. The biggest thing is he knows that Jonas is very highly ranked by draftexpress and ESPN's Chad Ford but he himself isn't impressed by him. He only saw one game and a bunch of you tube videos on him but neither impressed him or showed him anything different. Here is the link in case any of you are interested in reading his scouting report.
I'm not quite sure what to think of this really. I don't know Valanciunas very much other than that he will likely go in the lottery, he is a very good free throw shooter and plays hard; so I couldn't really say that David Locke is wrong. Obviously this is danger in watching a lot of youtube clips to determine how good a player is, or just one game, but regardless it appears one thing is for sure, Utah will not draft Jonas Valanciunas with either of their two lottery picks
Wow, a scout only watched 1 game and youtube videos and decides the player is no good?
A player cannot justify a lottery pick if he will be unable to stay on the floor, and given where he is at right now as a player it would be extremely difficult for him to do so. If he stays in Europe another year or so, he might take a few important steps forward to help that cause. Length is good, playing hard is good, and saying all the right things are good, but being on the floor and playing capably matters. Nobody wants to see guys fail, and putting a guy in a postition to fail by overdrafting and overpaying is something people should want to avoid.
So how was it justified to take Marvin Williams #2 overall who was a freshman that did not even start on his college team, not professional team overseas but college team?
Sometimes teams try throwing up Smoke Screens about a player,so he'll be there for them to Draft..
I have Jonas going 14 to the Rockets. He sounds like a player in the 10-20 range. I think there are a lot of guys like that. I think someone like Terrence Jones could go 10 or he could fall to 16 or 17. Jordan Hamilton could probably go anywhere from 12 to 20. There will be a lot of movement in the first round.
I haven't seen any of those Euros guy play so I don't really know where they should go. He sounds like a solid center with good size. If your team needs a solid center then they should look at him.
He kind of sounds like Marcin Gortat who I think is one of the most underrated centers in the league.
Jonas to the Knicks at 17 would be a good fit. They really really really need a legit center. The Sixers could use a center so they might take him at 16.
It would be a better smoke screen if Valanciunas wasn't so foul prone and more polished offensively.
I don't think he is an employed scout by the Utah Jazz....:
"David Locke stays busy as the play-by-play voice of the Utah Jazz and host of "Locked On Sports" on 1320 KFAN"
way to go in depth wardb on your research. No scout would rip up a player in public without keepin anonimity and this revelation, as he is just a play by play guy, will obviously have no effect on how the Jazz will approach this draft or Jonas in particular...smh once again
Locke is, and always has been, a poor basketball mind. I've never trusted any of his "reports" and neither should you.
Play Hard: Yes
Feet: Moves well
Pressure: Hard to tell
Attitude: Plays the game hard – lead his U 16 and U18 teams to titles and was the best player
It looks like those are some good attributes to me. Lets go more in depth
Overall: The only way he was used was in the pick and roll. He sets a lot of picks and rolls to the basket well. He opens up and makes himself available. He catches well and with his size is able to finish at the rim well. He gets the ball on the outside and moves it along to his teammates but showed no dribble game, no post game and no shooting game. He never brings the ball down. He catches and keeps it high going to the rim. It helps him a ton. Is a great free throw shooter. Shots 90% from the line.
Sounds like a jazz type player to me
Overall: He is very active and usually in the right place. However, I thought he had very little impact on the plays. Guys regularly finished over him or through him. He covers a decent amount of ground. He lacks a quick jump and I felt like he didn’t have enough lift. He take a while to coil his jump and my concern is when he gains weight it will be even more so
Alright has some flaws, but hes young im sure he can improve this, considering his physical stature
Conclusion- I agree with NO MONEY he doesn't know what he's talking about, he sounds like a perfect jazz player to me PICK AND ROLL only thing I saw, WTF do the Jazz run.... and hes the play by play announcer..wow
David Locke actually is not a play by play announcer. He does have a radio show and he does have a blog that he regularly comments and posts his opinions on, but he is not a play by play announcer. I watch all of the Jazz games and no where has he been an announcer for any Jazz game. You want to see a play by play announcer for the Jazz go look at Matt Harpring or Craig Bolerjack or Thurl Bailey or Ron Boone. These are play by play announcers. David Locke is an actual scout that Utah has, but I do agree with NoMoney he is not a very good scout. And this is proof of it. In no way do I think that Valanciunas will be a bust. In no way am I am not impressed by him. I have read in depth reports about him on draftexpress as well as other sites and I am impressed by him. I think he will be a lottery pick. My initial post was not my opinion on Jonas Valanciunas, it was the opinion of David Locke. Regardless on whether or not he is a good scout this is a good indication that the Jazz will not draft Jonas Valanciunas with either of their picks. All I was saying was that there is a Utah Jazz scout that is not impressed by Jonas Valanciunas and therefore it appears that the Jazz will not be drafting him.
Strangely enough, in this draft he could very well sneak into the top 3 with so little standout/surefire stars. I'm becoming a fan.
This draft is gonna be a crapshoot.
At 6 and 12, the Jazz could probably do a lot worse than Jimmer and Jonas. Jimmer is a good shooter and a capable point guard. Jonas looks like a good, long player who can rebound some and block some shots. The Jazz need a center who can bang and alter shots. Millsap and Jefferson score a lot at the 4. Hayward and Jimmer can shoot and score. If Jefferson and Millsap are their long-term options at 4 (and some 5) then they might want to trade Derrick Favors. They can probably get a lot for him, especially since it is a weak draft. Perhaps the 10th pick, the 40th pick, and Chris Douglas-Roberts from the Bucks. The Bucks would get a good power forward to complement Bogut, and the Jazz could draft a pretty good player at 10. At 6, 10, and 12 the Bucks might be able to come away with Brandon Knight at 6, Jonas at 10, and Jimmer Fredette at 12.
Knight, Jimmer, CJ Miles, and CDR would make for a great back court group. Jefferson, Millsap, Jonas, AK-47, and Fesenko up front with Gordon Hayward at the 3. They could look to get some small forward depth at 40.
I think the Jazz need to trade one of their power forwards, and they need to find a long-term option at point guard. They could also use a legit center who can give them 25-30 minutes a night. Brandon Knight and Jonas would fill both needs and Jimmer Fredette would be an ideal sixth man for them.
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"The Jazz need a center who can bang and alter shots. Millsap and Jefferson score a lot at the 4. Hayward and Jimmer can shoot and score. If Jefferson and Millsap are their long-term options at 4 (and some 5) then they might want to trade Derrick Favors."
So you think "the Jazz need a center who can bang and alter shots" and you want them to consider trading Derrick Favors in order to draft Jonas Valanciunas. That is crazy. Favors is all of one year older, considerably stronger, and a much better athlete. Favors is 6'10" 246 lbs. and Jonas is 6'11" 240 lbs. They are both works in progress with their offensive games and ability to defend without fouling, but the upsides aren't even comparable.
"So you think "the Jazz need a center who can bang and alter shots" and you want them to consider trading Derrick Favors in order to draft Jonas Valanciunas. That is crazy. Favors is all of one year older, considerably stronger, and a much better athlete. Favors is 6'10" 246 lbs. and Jonas is 6'11" 240 lbs. They are both works in progress with their offensive games and ability to defend without fouling, but the upsides aren't even comparable."
I don't think that they should keep all three power forwards (Jefferson, Millsap, and Favors). If they trade one then I think they can look at getting a legit center to go with the other two power forwards. I have them taking Brandon Knight at 6, trading Favors to the Bucks for the 10th pick, the 40th pick, and CDR. They can get Jonas at 10, and hope that Jimmer falls to 12. At 40 they can get a solid player. That would give them 2 great options at point guard who can both hit the 3 (Knight and Jimmer), two good power forwards (Jefferson and Milsap), a rangy combo forward in AK-47, a legit center in Jonas plus a solid young back-up in Fesenko, a legit small forward prospect in Gordon Hayward, plus a couple of scorers at the two in CJ Miles and Chris Douglas-Roberts, aka CJMCDR. At 40 they can get some depth at small forward, maybe DeAndre Liggins, or they can get a poor man's version of Derrick Favors in Vernon Macklin if he is still there. Or they can go with Matt Howard as a stretch four who can hit some outside shots, hustle, and scrap. That would be a very good team, with some really good, talented players who can really shoot it, although it could turn into one of the least athletic teams of all time with Jimmer, Hayward, Howard, CDR, Jefferson, Milsap, and Fesenko playing big minutes. The team's "athletes" would be AK-47, CJ Miles, Brandon Knight, and Big Jonas. But the team would have some really good shooters, a lot of good scoring options and some decent length at every position.
^ why not keep Favors and draft Jonas anyway. Favors and Jefferson can start and it'll give Jonas time to develop over the next couple of years.
"If they trade one then I think they can look at getting a legit center to go with the other two power forwards."
What makes Valanciunas more of a legit center than Favors?
^cause Favors isn't a center
And the additional one inch in height and six fewer pounds makes Valanciunas the prototype?
I think this will help you know him better.
This year inVilnius I was seen Ernie Grunfeld (Wizards GM), Daryl Morey (Rockets), Larry Riley (GSW GM), John Hammond (Bucks GM), Rod Higgins (Bobcats GM), Kevinas O'Connor (Jazz GM), Masai Ujiri (Nuggets GM), Davidas Griffin (CAVS VP), Donnie Nelson (Mavericks GM), Joe Dumars (Pistons President), Raptors boss Bryan Collangelo and others. Yesterday I saw Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Kings assistant GM), Jonas scores 21 in first half. I think he will go no lower than No.8 overall.
saw your videos earlier today,great job
If he can get the fouls under control he should be good. I love how he plays, the simple things people forget abbout. he keeps the ball high, he doesnt hold onto the ball too long, sets good screens and picks, stuff like that. Should be a solid NBA player when he finishes developing. Players that work that hard in the NBA will really frustrate NBA players. Like for instance look at Blake griffin, he just outworks people, I think if Valanciunas wanted to just live off of outworking people in the NBA he could. Then he has the midrange jumper, the coordination, and good touch.
Really needs to learn alot more about the game, his position on the floor, and how to defend without fouling all the time because in the NBA those horrible traits will get him exposed. He seems like a smart kid and a good investment especially in this weak draft. If the Raps take Irving, Williams, Kanter, or Valanciunas I wont be upset. I would be a little frustrated if they pick Vesely but not that Vesely is a bad player, I just like those 4 more. Bismack = loss of Raptor devotion.
Jonas and Favors style would complement each other I would love to see the Jazz take him and let him develop with our other big men.
i saw him play, he remind a bigger version of Taj Gibson!
NoMoney, If David Locke is not a scout but a play by play announcer then why is he doing these scouting reports? Why is he doing something that is not his job? I heard someone ask him what he thinks about Davis Bertans, and Robin Benzing. The fact that fans would ask him what he thinks about these international players proves that he is a scout. Otherwise they wouldn't be asking him, now would they?
On other matters: Yes, I agree the Jazz should trade one of their PF's But it shouldn't be Derrick Favors because he is new, and still learning. Give him to adapt and grow as a player. The only PF the Jazz should get rid of is Al Jefferson. But unfortunately he is untradeable because of his contract. There aren't too many teams who want to give up their defensive center no matter how skilled or talented Jefferson is. Yet that's what the Jazz need. Try trading him for a small forward or a wing. I did that, and I found to players that could both work very well and give both teams fair value and help them out but I don't either team would team do the trade. These two players are Andre Igoudala and Danny Granger. The Sixers will not want to give up Iggy because they would not have a reason to use Jefferson. They already have Brand and as we all know Jefferson is a PF not a Center. The Pacers may seem like a better option but 2 problems I see with trading Danny Granger. I don't think the Pacers are ready or ever will be ready to give up Danny Granger. I think they like Paul George and want to try him at the 2 even though he is more so a 3. But another reason is this. Roy Hibbert is an offensive big guy. He may get a lot of block shots and rebounds but we all know that those are misleading stats on defense. Really defense comes down to whether or not you can stop your man. I think you will find that more times then not you will find that Roy Hibbert is beat by his man. Strangely enough these are same things seen about Al Jefferson. Roy Hibbert and Al Jefferson are basically the same player and therefore would not compliment each other well. Therefore on those two points the Pacers would probably say no to that trade. And so would the Sixers say no to the trade because Al Jefferson is simply not needed on thier team not while Elton Brand is a Sixer.
wardb12 : You make a very strong / bold statement that Locke isn't a play by play anouncer but you are wrong . Locke is the play by play anouncer for the Jazz on radio, he took over for Hot Rod Hundley and just finished his second year. He also is a radio host on Bolerjack/Locke and Gerard (sp) on 1320 Kfan at 3 pm everyday in the SLC area. 1320Kfan is the Jazz flag ship station that the games are broadcast on the radio.
As far as what the Jazz need? With AK 's situation unknown, the Jazz need a long, athletic 3, that can shoot, both CJMiles and Hayward can play the 3 but their best positions are the 2 spot. Both CJ and Hayward are a bit undersized to play the 3 and don't match up well with the top 3's in the league, like Durrant, James, Melo, etc. both give the Jazz an advantage if they play the 2, both are good size at the 2. I like TJones or Vesely at the 3, as far as draft picks go with Leonard as a dark horse pick.
The Jazz do need a center that is defensive minded and rebounds and blocks shots but I'm not sure there is one in the draft worth taking with their picks. Biyombo may be but he is raw and somewhat unproven, Jonas is too young and skinny at the present. I like Biyombo, he looks good and would give the Jazz a presence in the middle they need, but he is a risk too.
The Jazz could use a point guard for the future, Harris is OK but only for a year or two. Knight would be a good pick if he can prove he can be a distributor and not just a shooter. Jimmer will surprise people I think and I wouldn't mind seeing the Jazz take him if they can get him with the 12th pick.
With Burke being the only 2 guard most people think is lottery worthy, I don't like the idea of picking him, he reminds me of a CJMiles, inconsistent and not always aggressive. With Hayward and CJ Miles the Jazz don't need a 2 guard in this draft. IMO
The 4 spot is the strongest on the Jazz with Favors being the PF of the future, Big Al is good and so is Milsap but Paul is undersized.
If the Jazz wanted to get a big man to patrol the middle and if the liked Biyombo, they should look to trade Milsap and get the best 3 man they could get and then draft Biyombo. Favors and Big Al could start and bring Biyombo in off the bench, poorer offense but improved defense.
Again, why is he giving scouting reports if that is not his job?
"NoMoney, If David Locke is not a scout but a play by play announcer then why is he doing these scouting reports? Why is he doing something that is not his job? I heard someone ask him what he thinks about Davis Bertans, and Robin Benzing. The fact that fans would ask him what he thinks about these international players proves that he is a scout."
This is a sorry excuse for attempted logic.
He's not a scout, man. He's never been a scout.
He's a columnist.
My friend wrote a scouting report last year on John Wall. Why would he write one if that's "not his job"?
He's not a scout.
This is a foolish argument.
Locke is a talk show host and loves to have callers call in and discuss the NBA, the draft, etc, etc, etc, he tries to be as up on things as he can be and fans ask him questions all the time as too who he thinks would be the best player for the Jazz to pick, Locke tries to be as informed as he can be, (sometimes he's way off IMO but he does a good job of looking into things), Locke has an in with the Jazz because he travels with them, interviews them, broadcasts the games (on radio), he interviews KOC, coaches , players, etc and tries to bring to the fans all the info he can. Like I said sometimes its great, sometimes it's so so. He is getting better at his job though. IMO.
wardb i like just about everything you post but you are way off on locke being a jazz scout. the utah jazz have ONE scout. its the GM kevin o'connor. if i cant watch a jazz game i have to listen to that idiot locke!
Nomoney, It's not worth it bro.
This is easily the lousiest thread I've ever read.
1. David Locke called all 82 games on the radio last year. I promise he's a play by play guy.
2. Whoever said that the jazz should trade Derrick Favors for the bucks picks and some no namer off the bench have NO idea how good Derrick Favors is.